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11/16/2012 1:30:34 AM
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Dr. Manhattan vs. any and every superhero or villain
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There's nothing in this thread that Batman couldn't handle.
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Sentry from Marvel. Azathoth of the lovecraft lore.
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Just when I thought I couldn't possibly be mind-blam!- by comics anymore. -blam!- you Saint of Killers.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BOBoMAUL WAIT WAIT WAIT what is Dr. Manhattan went to the past before the saint of killers became the saint of killers[/quote] Or the Time Lords just go back in time and prevent the creation of the Marvelverse and the Preacherverse. Or destroy everything. Also, because you guys don't seem to understand. If the Time Lords had succeeded, they would have kill an INFINITE amount of life as they would have destroyed an INFINITE amount of universes as they would have dismantled all of reality.
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WAIT WAIT WAIT what is Dr. Manhattan went to the past before the saint of killers became the saint of killers
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i know very little of comics but HOLY CRAP do a ton of these heros/villains sounds so overpowered. [Edited on 11.15.2012 11:41 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DarkSpyda04 Gordon Freeman[/quote] I think you mean Morgan Freeman. He's infinitely more awesome Gordon, and [i]real[/i].
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Gordon Freeman
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AwesomeOppossom Scenario: Dr. Manhattan materializes a gun as powerful as the gun of Saint of Killers, he shoots Saint of Killers. Once.[/quote] He can't. The Saint of Killers' guns were forged from the scythe of the angel of death by Satan. I don't think one can just make another from regular matter. And as for time locking, might work, though God wasn't able to do anything like that to him. Maybe He just didn't try or something. As it is, no weapon can harm the Saint of Killers or even inconvenience him at all.[/quote] The Time Lords would literally destroy the entire reality he exists in, deleting him. They're really the most powerful guys, as they could also go back in time and simply prevent the creation of the Preacher universe, deleting everything. They're really the only guys I know of besides Azathoth who have the ability to just wipe out everything, instantly. Hell, Azathoth can also spawn Shards of Azathoth while sleeps, or Hounds, which would be roughly equal in power to the Sain of Killers.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 Azrael could beat Manhattan. He could simply outlive him. When you are the ultimate embodiment of Death for every universe ever and have personally outlived every universe ever multiple times over with an entire army of beings who see to it that the universe doesn't just [i]break[/i] at any moment, you are pretty much at the top of the totem pole.[/quote] Well -blam!-, this guy [i]could[/i] beat the Saint of Killers. O_o[/quote] The best part? He say a single word in the book, but the typeface for him is so big it takes up half the page. Imagine what the other seven are like.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too God in Preacher likely was that. the Saint of Killers killed Him anyway, because he's the Angel of Death. And I have no clue if anybody already dead, undead, semi-dead or whatever would be safe from his bullets. Probably not - they kill anything instantly with one shot, without exception.[/quote] No, he was patently [i]not[/i] that. And he was stopped by the thing that preacher guy had, the will of god or something. So he's clearly not omnipotent. And he didn't even know that god was the one who betrayed him until someone else found out for him, and he often "rests". So he's not omnipotent, he does have weaknesses, and he would not be able to "solo" everyone. The -blam!- end.[/quote] Who was stopped? God? God was stopped by the will of God? That makes sense to me. God in Preacher is a flawed being, but he still made everything in the Preacherverse and is still considered the Ultimate Authority.[/quote] No, the Saint guy's wrath was stopped by the will of god used by the preacher, Custer.[/quote] Well yeah, that makes sense too. The Saint killed God, but God is still [i]God[/i]. Not even the Angel of Death has more authority than God.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 Azrael could beat Manhattan. He could simply outlive him. When you are the ultimate embodiment of Death for every universe ever and have personally outlived every universe ever multiple times over with an entire army of beings who see to it that the universe doesn't just [i]break[/i] at any moment, you are pretty much at the top of the totem pole.[/quote] Well -blam!-, this guy [i]could[/i] beat the Saint of Killers. O_o
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too God in Preacher likely was that. the Saint of Killers killed Him anyway, because he's the Angel of Death. And I have no clue if anybody already dead, undead, semi-dead or whatever would be safe from his bullets. Probably not - they kill anything instantly with one shot, without exception.[/quote] No, he was patently [i]not[/i] that. And he was stopped by the thing that preacher guy had, the will of god or something. So he's clearly not omnipotent. And he didn't even know that god was the one who betrayed him until someone else found out for him, and he often "rests". So he's not omnipotent, he does have weaknesses, and he would not be able to "solo" everyone. The -blam!- end.[/quote] Who was stopped? God? God was stopped by the will of God? That makes sense to me. God in Preacher is a flawed being, but he still made everything in the Preacherverse and is still considered the Ultimate Authority.[/quote] No, the Saint guy's wrath was stopped by the will of god used by the preacher, Custer.
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Azrael could beat Manhattan. He could simply outlive him. When you are the ultimate embodiment of Death for every universe ever and have personally outlived every universe ever multiple times over with an entire army of beings who see to it that the universe doesn't just [i]break[/i] at any moment, you are pretty much at the top of the totem pole. [Edited on 11.15.2012 7:32 PM PST]
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[url=http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/brightest-day13.jpg]White Lantern Batman.[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too And I have no clue if anybody already dead, undead, semi-dead or whatever would be safe from his bullets. Probably not - they kill anything instantly with one shot, without exception.[/quote]Except in one of the first comics, when he shot Cassidy, but that was a mistake made by the author who was still working out the powers of the SoK.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too God in Preacher likely was that. the Saint of Killers killed Him anyway, because he's the Angel of Death. And I have no clue if anybody already dead, undead, semi-dead or whatever would be safe from his bullets. Probably not - they kill anything instantly with one shot, without exception.[/quote] No, he was patently [i]not[/i] that. And he was stopped by the thing that preacher guy had, the will of god or something. So he's clearly not omnipotent. And he didn't even know that god was the one who betrayed him until someone else found out for him, and he often "rests". So he's not omnipotent, he does have weaknesses, and he would not be able to "solo" everyone. The -blam!- end.[/quote] Who was stopped? God? God was stopped by the will of God? That makes sense to me. God in Preacher is a flawed being, but he still made everything in the Preacherverse and is still considered the Ultimate Authority. [Edited on 11.15.2012 7:15 PM PST]
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What if Dr. Manhattan perceives himself killing the Saint in the future? lololol [Edited on 11.15.2012 7:09 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too God in Preacher likely was that. the Saint of Killers killed Him anyway, because he's the Angel of Death. And I have no clue if anybody already dead, undead, semi-dead or whatever would be safe from his bullets. Probably not - they kill anything instantly with one shot, without exception.[/quote] No, he was patently [i]not[/i] that. And he was stopped by the thing that preacher guy had, the will of god or something. So he's clearly not omnipotent. And he didn't even know that god was the one who betrayed him until someone else found out for him, and he often "rests". So he's not omnipotent, he does have weaknesses, and he would not be able to "solo" everyone. The -blam!- end.
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And if something isn't even alive to begin with, like an embodiment of a concept or idea, or even more so, [i]is[/i] that idea?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AwesomeOppossom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AwesomeOppossom Scenario: Dr. Manhattan materializes a gun as powerful as the gun of Saint of Killers, he shoots Saint of Killers. Once.[/quote] He can't. The Saint of Killers' guns were forged from the scythe of the angel of death by Satan. I don't think one can just make another from regular matter. And as for time locking, might work, though God wasn't able to do anything like that to him. Maybe He just didn't try or something. As it is, no weapon can harm the Saint of Killers or even inconvenience him at all.[/quote] Dr. Manhattan can create any thing that is matter. Dr. Manhattan could probably disassemble Saint's guns. Dr. Manhattan is intangible so therefore cannot be touched by Saint's bullets.[/quote] They're magic, and probably just as invulnerable as the man who wields them. It doesn't [i]matter[/i] (see what I -blam!-ing did there?) if Manhattan is intangible. He'd still be dead with one shot.[/quote] Would enemies who are outside the concerns of death--such as Thanos, or those who are already dead--be invunerable? Also, the Preacher God is not truly God. The true God is at once everything and outside of everything, the ultimate untouchable.[/quote] God in Preacher likely was that. The Saint of Killers killed Him anyway, because he's the Angel of Death. And I have no clue if anybody already dead, undead, semi-dead or whatever would be safe from his bullets. Probably not - they kill anything instantly with one shot, without exception. [Edited on 11.15.2012 7:07 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too There was no being as powerful as God [b]in the Preacherverse.[/b][/quote] Found your problem. [/quote] And seeing as how one cannot really get more powerful than God Himself, I'd say this means the Saint of Killers could kill The One Above All, the Presence, and pretty much anything in fiction or otherwise. And seeing as how not even God could kill him (though looking back it didn't really look like God [i]tried[/i] to kill him), no, not even the time Lords could really do anything to him. Seriously, I can't remember him being harmed at all in the story. In short: he's the most overpowered character ever conceived, even moreso than the Spectre.[/quote] Except god in the preacherverse is clearly not omnipotent. So you're wrong. Simple as that. Accept it and move on.[/quote] He was certainly more omnipotent than Manhattan. And the Saint of Killers can still kill anyone or anything he bloody well wants with one shot.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too There was no being as powerful as God [b]in the Preacherverse.[/b][/quote] Found your problem. [/quote] And seeing as how one cannot really get more powerful than God Himself, I'd say this means the Saint of Killers could kill The One Above All, the Presence, and pretty much anything in fiction or otherwise. And seeing as how not even God could kill him (though looking back it didn't really look like God [i]tried[/i] to kill him), no, not even the time Lords could really do anything to him. Seriously, I can't remember him being harmed at all in the story. In short: he's the most overpowered character ever conceived, even moreso than the Spectre.[/quote] Except god in the preacherverse is clearly not omnipotent. So you're wrong. Simple as that. Accept it and move on.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too[/quote]Just because he has durability on par with Superman doesn't mean he's invulnerable.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AwesomeOppossom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AwesomeOppossom Scenario: Dr. Manhattan materializes a gun as powerful as the gun of Saint of Killers, he shoots Saint of Killers. Once.[/quote] He can't. The Saint of Killers' guns were forged from the scythe of the angel of death by Satan. I don't think one can just make another from regular matter. And as for time locking, might work, though God wasn't able to do anything like that to him. Maybe He just didn't try or something. As it is, no weapon can harm the Saint of Killers or even inconvenience him at all.[/quote] Dr. Manhattan can create any thing that is matter. Dr. Manhattan could probably disassemble Saint's guns. Dr. Manhattan is intangible so therefore cannot be touched by Saint's bullets.[/quote] They're magic, and probably just as invulnerable as the man who wields them. It doesn't [i]matter[/i] (see what I -blam!-ing did there?) if Manhattan is intangible. He'd still be dead with one shot.[/quote] Would enemies who are outside the concerns of death--such as Thanos, or those who are already dead--be invunerable? Also, the Preacher God is not truly God. The true God is at once everything and outside of everything, the ultimate untouchable. [Edited on 11.15.2012 7:00 PM PST]
