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10/6/2012 4:39:19 AM
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Insurrectionist ideology, any good points?
Yes i know some Insurrectionist groups are not good, said groups have resorted to terrorism, intentionally targeting civilians instead of just the UNSC military. However i don't think all Insurrectionists are like that.
And i do think the basic ideology of Insurrectionism have some good points. That colonies should have the option for self-rule, instead of being controlled by the UNSC/UEG. Only one true government for all of mankind is not a good idea (different human governments would also mean the dirty ONI has less control over mankind).
Of course that may be not such a good thing while the UNSC is fighting to save Mankind from extinction (cause more chaos then is already needed), and i disagree with any Insurrectionists fighting the UNSC during the Covenant War.
However maybe there could be a time in human history, sometime after the War, in which some colonies, can become independent.
What do you think?
Some might say that because the Covenant Alien races still exist, that Mankind needs one government if they ever need to fight the aliens again, but i disagree. Just because there is a possible future threat from the Alien species they know about, doesn't mean Mankind should be destined to be under control by 1 totalitarian govt for the rest of the species existence.
[Edited on 10.05.2012 8:39 PM PDT]
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Sigh. The few (and ONLY) good rebels were the guys who -blam!- were true to the plan. Aka, the guys who disappeared to asteroid bases and STAYED THERE. You know, not bombing, not even inter--blam!--acting with the UNSC. The BULK MAJORITY of the rebels were terrorists killing for the lulz. As Jorge said. "Colonial self-rule, Go for it. nuke civilians to get that goal? You deserve to die." Pretty much, the guys who wanted to be left alone (aka, the rebel goal. Being left to rule themselves), are the ones we don't hear much of because they disappeared, and were promptly left alone because not only did the UNSC have to track them, they weren't making themselves giant threats. The other rebels were "-blam!- YEAH, NUKES EVERYWHERE!" [Edited on 10.05.2012 9:18 PM PDT]
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I really can't agree with the Insurrection at all as all of the colonies were already pretty much self-ruling, the only real ties they had with the UNSC was the military garrison that were sometimes put there to protect the colonies, and having to pay taxes to the government and the UNSC being able to call for the current leadership of a planet to be disbanded and be replaced with new leaders if the other guys really weren't doing their jobs or doing them at all well. The individual planets had about as much authority and self-government as the states in the United States. The only reason the Insurrectionists came along was because they wanted completely and total independence and to set up radically different (awful) forms of government...and they really can't have independence as the UNSC/UEG itself is what founded the colonies anyway, they were all funded and provided for from the government's pockets. And when the initial dissidents came along the UEG/UNSC tried to reach a satisfactory conclusion for everybody, but the Innies turned to violence and started the whole thing. So nah, I really don't see to much good about them at all or worthy of supporting them, the only good "Insurrections" actually up and left UNSC space and went off to form their own places...like the group Admiral Preston Cole wound up going off to in the end. The rest were all about trying to actively destroy the UNSC in any way they could and actively bombing civilian targets, often with nukes and nuclear based weapons, essentially just for -blam!-z and giggles. [Edited on 10.05.2012 9:44 PM PDT]
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UNSC is a very fascist esque organization, I can understand the resistance beginning, but not what it turned into. The rebels used nukes and killed [b] 2 million people in a single event. [/b] Think 9/11, multiply by 650ish in terms of death toll. [Edited on 10.05.2012 11:19 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quantam UNSC is a very fascist esque organization, I can understand the resistance beginning, but not what it turned into. The rebels used nukes and killed [b] 2 million people in a single event. [/b] Think 9/11, multiply by 650ish in terms of death toll.[/quote] And some of the rebels were fascist as well.
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I think pre-Covenant UNSC is portrayed as a fascist militarism; they exert emergency military law long before a single whisper is heard from an alien, and don't give independence to a single colony. I'm sure the inner colonies and Earth had it all fine, but the outer colonies seemed oppressed. A little like the situation with the British Empire and America, but on a grander and more extreme scale. Terrorism is never justified though.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quantam UNSC is a very fascist esque organization, I can understand the resistance beginning, but not what it turned into. The rebels used nukes and killed [b] 2 million people in a single event. [/b] Think 9/11, multiply by 650ish in terms of death toll.[/quote] And some of the rebels were fascist as well.[/quote] Early, early on I could probably agree. But then you hit the point of "Would I rather be under the rule of somebody who maybe oppresses me in some manner (for outer colonies), or do I wanna side with the guys who just nuked a ship purely carrying civilians." I find it hard to believe anybody would rather side with the second.
