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10/4/2012 1:13:59 AM
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We met a Precursor in Halo 2.
Since all flood forms share memories, knowledge and thoughts.(wiki+gravemind quotes)
And since the first gravemind was more or less a Precursor(wiki+books).
Then the gravemind speaking to us in halo 2 and 3 is technically a precursor.
You would say it is only 0000000.1% precursor since the rest of the memories are other species but remember that the precursors created the flood and the first gravemind.
So it's safe to say that their indentity prevails over the rest.
The flood are , after all the Precursor's creation.
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[quote] Mutated precursors? [/quote] Could be. [Edited on 10.23.2012 2:11 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ryan299 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pithean I was under the impression that the precursors created the gravemind and flood in their own image. [/quote] This^ I think the precusors created the flood and just set them loose on a species when they want them gone. This is what led to the forerunners wiping out the precusors. I think the promodial was probably just a precusor who survived and got affected by the flood and become a gravemind[/quote] I like this idea. I like to think the flood were created, like the rest of life in the Milky Way. If the Precursors created everyone else why not flood too?
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Mutated precursors?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OdorousLicense3 Greg Bear is an idiot. Gravemind =/= Precursor[/quote] lol what? 343i told him to write that you idiot. Its Canon. The precursor said, the Flood and the Precursors are one in the same.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pithean I was under the impression that the precursors created the gravemind and flood in their own image. [/quote] This^ I think the precusors created the flood and just set them loose on a species when they want them gone. This is what led to the forerunners wiping out the precusors. I think the promodial was probably just a precusor who survived and got affected by the flood and become a gravemind
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gamma617g [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spurius We read about a (suspected) Precursor in Marathon 1. Just putting it out there.[/quote] What? We didn't hear anything about the ancient Marathon Aliens until Marathon 2. I'm assuming you're talking about the Jjaro and the Wrkncacnter of course.[/quote] Ah, correction. The terminal was in a secret multiplayer map on Infinity. Here it is: Hats Off to 819 [quote]Nicodeem, lord apparent of Onlai and junior autocrat, shivered in the easterly wind. he tugged at his cloak absently and scanned the street a second time, turning his back into the wind and wrapping all four arms around his narrow chest. Nicodeem hunched his shoulders and tried to hide his nearly three meters of height in the lengthening shadows.[/quote] Apparently, (never read Cryptum) this description is strikingly similar to the ones offered in Greg Bear's novel. SOURCE: http://marathon.bungie.org/story/newmay-june12.html [Edited on 10.09.2012 7:16 PM PDT]
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Whisper........ (but he is an idiot) Shhhhh!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OdorousLicense3 Greg Bear is an idiot. Gravemind =/= Precursor[/quote] He never implied they were.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spurius We read about a (suspected) Precursor in Marathon 1. Just putting it out there.[/quote] What? We didn't hear anything about the ancient Marathon Aliens until Marathon 2. I'm assuming you're talking about the Jjaro and the Wrkncacnter of course.
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We read about a (suspected) Precursor in Marathon 1. Just putting it out there.
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Say "Oh Noez" to Mr Bear, they bad books. But Hey! lets stay positive. Gravemind is a pretty wide subject, but your instincts may be right.
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I was under the impression that the precursors created the gravemind and flood in their own image.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Arbiter 739 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DarkestSeptagon When humans are infected they become Flood. Same thing for Precursors.[/quote] When Captain Keys became infected he turned into a unique flood type.[/quote] No he didn't. He became part of a proto-gravemind which absorbed all his knowledge relevant to the UNSC (Colonies, force deployment, etc) Keyes noticed this and feed it random, emotional memories, trying to delay it from getting the information it wanted. He eventually died from the struggle right before the Chief arrives to save him. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=taxTStXQ664#t=7s]This terminal in CEA explains it/shows it perfectly[/url] [Edited on 10.05.2012 5:45 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DarkestSeptagon When humans are infected they become Flood. Same thing for Precursors.[/quote] When Captain Keys became infected he turned into a unique flood type. Perhaps the gravemind is made up of these precursors? After all: Halo does not kill The Flood but it kills the food, to starve it. So it could have some precursors in it. And while I'm at it, let me just add that I much prefer the pre-Reach cannon.
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When humans are infected they become Flood. Same thing for Precursors.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 Gravemind was constructed on Delta Halo. Unless there was a Precursor on Delta Halo, this could have not been the case.[/quote] There are multiple different Graveminds over the years, and they all share the smae memories. So it could have been the case that the Precursor was a Gravemind.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MongotheRed [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SuperCrack Since all flood forms share memories, knowledge and thoughts.(wiki+gravemind quotes) And since the first gravemind was more or less a Precursor(wiki+books). Then the gravemind speaking to us in halo 2 and 3 is technically a precursor. You would say it is only 0000000.1% precursor since the rest of the memories are other species but remember that the precursors created the flood and the first gravemind. So it's safe to say that their indentity prevails over the rest. The flood are , after all the Precursor's creation.[/quote] The gravemind was not a precursor. I don't remember the details in the books too well. But I don't think it said the Captive was a gravemind. I might be lost. I need to read those books again. Seeing as how slow this forum is, the thread should still be here when I get done. ^It doesn't matter if it is CLOSE to a precursor. If it isn't fully a precursor, then it isn't a precursor.[/quote] The humans called the Captive Gravemind.
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Gravemind was constructed on Delta Halo. Unless there was a Precursor on Delta Halo, this could not have been the case.
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It's the only thing that remains of the precursors, maybe, but that certainly doesn't make it a precursor. Flood is Flood. Nothing more.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SuperCrack Since all flood forms share memories, knowledge and thoughts.(wiki+gravemind quotes) And since the first gravemind was more or less a Precursor(wiki+books). Then the gravemind speaking to us in halo 2 and 3 is technically a precursor. You would say it is only 0000000.1% precursor since the rest of the memories are other species but remember that the precursors created the flood and the first gravemind. So it's safe to say that their indentity prevails over the rest. The flood are , after all the Precursor's creation.[/quote] The gravemind was not a precursor. I don't remember the details in the books too well. But I don't think it said the Captive was a gravemind. I might be lost. I need to read those books again. Seeing as how slow this forum is, the thread should still be here when I get done. ^It doesn't matter if it is CLOSE to a precursor. If it isn't fully a precursor, then it isn't a precursor. [Edited on 10.03.2012 8:01 PM PDT]
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I didn't say that either. But when you have a galaxy with 0 precursors in it. The only thing that has memories, knowledge and thoughts of a precursors, could be considered one. Or at the least the closest thing to one.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OdorousLicense3 Greg Bear is an idiot. Gravemind =/= Precursor[/quote] You've rustled up a hornet's nest...
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Greg Bear is an idiot. Gravemind =/= Precursor
