[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gen Petitt [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BuzzKill9009 Halo Reach's failure has nothing to do with Halo 4. Yes there are some Reach elements in H4 Yes Reach left a bad taste in people's mouth Yes Reach changed a lot of things The thing is that Halo 4 is reverting back to the H3 experience. What was wrong with Reach Multiplayer wise was the change (that had potential) was done poorly. Now, 343i has listened to the feedback and changed it to the people's liking's, I encourage you to try it (rent or try it with a friend who has it) first and see if it actually appeals to you. A lot of people who have tried it say that it feels like H3[/quote] I've played it. It feels nothing like h3. It feels like reach.[/quote] Halo 3 and reach are both bad in there own way, CE will always be the best.[/quote] In terms of what (for CE and H3?)

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BuzzKill9009 Halo Reach's failure has nothing to do with Halo 4. Yes there are some Reach elements in H4 Yes Reach left a bad taste in people's mouth Yes Reach changed a lot of things The thing is that Halo 4 is reverting back to the H3 experience. What was wrong with Reach Multiplayer wise was the change (that had potential) was done poorly. Now, 343i has listened to the feedback and changed it to the people's liking's, I encourage you to try it (rent or try it with a friend who has it) first and see if it actually appeals to you. A lot of people who have tried it say that it feels like H3[/quote] I've played it. It feels nothing like h3. It feels like reach.[/quote] Halo 3 and reach are both bad in there own way, CE will always be the best.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MrMassakka To all replies: Halo Reach is very different from the actual trilogy CE-3. In counterpart to the original trilogy, Reach moved away from the arena shooter concept and made the game more arcade. Halo 4 is even expanding on that with armor-abilities, killstreaks, loadouts, attribute-changing armor etc. That's why I (and a majority) didn't like Reach and that's why people can't love Halo 4 if they hated Reach for the mentioned reason. And please stop acting as if you fanboys are in the total minority, surrounded by haters. It's the other way. Everyone who criticizes Halo 4 in ANY way (it can even be a undeniable fact) you act like a horde of mad monkeys.[/quote]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude I can imagine this turning around once Halo 4 comes out where people wish Halo 4 was as good as Reach. We will look back at Reach and realise it was actually pretty good. Halo 4 looks terrible. Ugly to look at, bizarre changes to gameplay, bizarre changes to the art, 343i have gone for quantity not quality...... and then they cut corners as well and just copy stuff directly from Reach or Halo 3.[/quote] It's gonna be a big ugly scene. But Reach will always be Reach and H3 always H3.

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I can imagine this turning around once Halo 4 comes out where people wish Halo 4 was as good as Reach. We will look back at Reach and realise it was actually pretty good. Halo 4 looks terrible. Ugly to look at, bizarre changes to gameplay, bizarre changes to the art, 343i have gone for quantity not quality...... and then they cut corners as well and just copy stuff directly from Reach or Halo 3.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MDA Predator95 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ben2974 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MDA Predator95 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OdorousLicense3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BerzerkCommando TL;DL. And I don't care so have a nice day. [/quote]Because you're a fanboy that doesn't like to hear the truth. The whole truth. Too Long; Didn't Care[/quote] or maybe he you know, really doesnt care about others opinions at all. [/quote] Of course posting that he didn't give a damn had to be done. [/quote] its what people do. come into threads post things that dont need to be posted then leave until something sparks there attention. [/quote] I think there's enough logic behind the popular trend of people posting because they care.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ben2974 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MDA Predator95 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OdorousLicense3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BerzerkCommando TL;DL. And I don't care so have a nice day. [/quote]Because you're a fanboy that doesn't like to hear the truth. The whole truth. Too Long; Didn't Care[/quote] or maybe he you know, really doesnt care about others opinions at all. [/quote] Of course posting that he didn't give a damn had to be done. [/quote] Just like you posting your blog had to be done.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ben2974 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MDA Predator95 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OdorousLicense3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BerzerkCommando TL;DL. And I don't care so have a nice day. [/quote]Because you're a fanboy that doesn't like to hear the truth. The whole truth. Too Long; Didn't Care[/quote] or maybe he you know, really doesnt care about others opinions at all. [/quote] Of course posting that he didn't give a damn had to be done. [/quote] its what people do. come into threads post things that dont need to be posted then leave until something sparks there attention.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MDA Predator95 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OdorousLicense3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BerzerkCommando TL;DL. And I don't care so have a nice day. [/quote]Because you're a fanboy that doesn't like to hear the truth. The whole truth. Too Long; Didn't Care[/quote] or maybe he you know, really doesnt care about others opinions at all. [/quote] Of course posting that he didn't give a damn had to be done.

Stop complaining about Halo 4 not being a Halo 3 remake.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OdorousLicense3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BerzerkCommando TL;DL. And I don't care so have a nice day. [/quote]Because you're a fanboy that doesn't like to hear the truth. The whole truth. Too Long; Didn't Care[/quote] or maybe he you know, really doesnt care about others opinions at all.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Big Black Bear What are we supposed to be discussing here?[/quote]

I liked reach. I liked all of them.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BerzerkCommando TL;DL. And I don't care so have a nice day. [/quote]Because you're a fanboy that doesn't like to hear the truth. The whole truth. Too Long; Didn't Care

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] rj is cool Talks -blam!- about halo 4. at the midnight launch.[/quote] That was a good one (seriously, i smiled). Except won't even have the ability to purchase until mid/late November.

[quote]I will not say you can't judge a book by it's cover, I will not say it's exactly like CoD, but here's what I will say. Halo 4 will not and will never be Halo 3. Most of the 343i haters say things like this: [quote] And it was. [b]Halo 3[/b] blew everything, and became the the de-facto gaming experience of the time. It was brilliant. Everything about the series was well-designed, working, done with excellence, enjoyable and balanced (with a couple of missteps early on - God Pistol etc.). Bungie new and understood what Halo could do, was meant to do, and did that. The result was like none other. [b]Halo 3[/b] was the first ever midnight launch I went to. I saved up and got that amazing Legendary Edition. For me, gaming couldn't have gotten much better. I bought every single Halo book the day they came out. For a time, I damn near lived and breathed the game. But then, things started to get dark. Halo: Reach was announced. How could this be a bad thing? From the beginning it looked amazing, and could be an interesting side story in the Halo universe. After all, the series had done no wrong since that green, power-armored giant had come into our lives and said he needed a weapon. But so, so much did go wrong. We saw it early, but many of us quieted our discomfort. We thought that maybe it was time for a little change in Halo, that maybe the series could benefit from a bit of an overhaul. We ignored the warnings of our fellow gamers, who argued with logic and reasoning and examples. And when the game finally launched, everything they said was vindicated. Gone was the amazing balance from previous games. Randomness and BS had taken its place. The campaign felt unfocused and sloppy. The retcon was strong in this one. The amount of rage over a Halo game reached (heheh) unheard of levels. People were pissed. And Bungie did nothing. YOU, 343i did nothing until backed so far into a wall you were worried we were going to crush you.[/quote] You all got your jimmies rustled about Reach only because Bungie was trying out new things to make the series more interesting. Your argument for your anger? "Loadouts, AAs, bad campaign". Loadouts barely did anything to the game. AAs were -blam!-, I got to admit. But, the campaign finally put you in a position where you weren't the hero who saved the day all by yourself. You were part of a team. Plus, the forge was heavily changed for the better. [quote]But then you started down the path of failure. Massive retcons and character assassinations in the lore. A revocation of the Title Update. A poorly planned, executed and terrible response to [b]our complaints[/b]. Just plain not listening.[/quote] This is [b]their[/b] game, they will not cater all [b]your[/b] wants. And now, since Halo 4 will have a campaign involving a new enemy, along with loadouts, and new weapons, you all start whining and say "This isn't a remake of Halo 3! 343, you suck!" Halo 2 wasn't Halo: CE. Halo 2 wasn't Halo 3. Halo 3 wasn't Halo: Reach. Hopefully my message will get out to you all. If you want Halo 3, go play Halo 3 and stop whining to 343 just because they are changing the series.[/quote]

Talks -blam!- about halo 4. at the midnight launch.

I think the jetpack should be reserved for social playlists ONLY. Map control goes out the window when the guy with a jetpack can just fly over you.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TricolorPanda so....you won't buy Halo 4 :( [/quote] MEbees

so....you won't buy Halo 4 :(

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quest is back Those who don't like it need to just let it go. That's what I've done. Halo has changed and it is no longer what it was. They aren't going to change it back. Just don't purchase it. There are a lot of other games out there that are great. Spend your money on something you support and enjoy.[/quote] I totally agree with you. When I get back home i'm thinking of Torchlight II since Diablo 3 was a major letdown. Halo 4 will only be purchased if reviews are in my favor. Besides that, there isn't much left for me in the gaming industry. Not much interests me. I have a tendency to replay games of the past pretty often. Mostly FPS games and mmo/rpgs.

Those who don't like it need to just let it go. That's what I've done. Halo has changed and it is no longer what it was. They aren't going to change it back. Just don't purchase it. There are a lot of other games out there that are great. Spend your money on something you support and enjoy.

I . . . don't see where that statement merits justification.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ben2974 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cay330 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] derka derka Halo 4 and Halo Reach are two different games. Typical gamer, judging a game before they've even played the finished product.[/quote] Halo Reach signalled a major move away in the series from the simple gameplay where there were not many factors to a game other than hard teamwork, power weapon locations & objectives to one where there's far less need for map control & one that's FAR more similar to this CoD style (because it is CoD style, that's what made it uber-mainsteam on consoles) of just run around the map getting kills individually & focussing on the objective far less (if there is one). It's not a healthy mix for 'core' Halo players & doesn't lend itself to high longevity, just compare Reach's current players at its current time in the lifecycle to H3's players 2 years after it came out. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GodZillla the original halos were never just about teamwork ...they supported the lone wolf...halo4 is more about teamwork than any other halo game [/quote] That's bullcrap. Two competent people working together in H3 can take down a team of 7 incompetents easily in an objective gametype. The same cannot be said for Reach, due to the lower movement speed, worse spawns & a game which just doesn't lend itself well to teamwork anywhere near as much as 3 or 2 does.[/quote] Thank you for the input. Two brains is always better than one :)[/quote] Especially when one is far superior to the other.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cay330 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] derka derka Halo 4 and Halo Reach are two different games. Typical gamer, judging a game before they've even played the finished product.[/quote] Halo Reach signalled a major move away in the series from the simple gameplay where there were not many factors to a game other than hard teamwork, power weapon locations & objectives to one where there's far less need for map control & one that's FAR more similar to this CoD style (because it is CoD style, that's what made it uber-mainsteam on consoles) of just run around the map getting kills individually & focussing on the objective far less (if there is one). It's not a healthy mix for 'core' Halo players & doesn't lend itself to high longevity, just compare Reach's current players at its current time in the lifecycle to H3's players 2 years after it came out. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GodZillla the original halos were never just about teamwork ...they supported the lone wolf...halo4 is more about teamwork than any other halo game [/quote] That's bullcrap. Two competent people working together in H3 can take down a team of 7 incompetents easily in an objective gametype. The same cannot be said for Reach, due to the lower movement speed, worse spawns & a game which just doesn't lend itself well to teamwork anywhere near as much as 3 or 2 does.[/quote] Thank you for the input. Two brains is always better than one :)