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8/9/2012 5:09:26 PM
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Some small changes to Dark Knight Rises (Spoilers)
After coming back from the DKR a second time, I got to thinking. In my opinion, it was the best of the trilogy (although I can see why some would prefer the Dark Knight) and was, for me, almost perfect. But there were a couple things I thought should have been done differently.
*SPOILERS AHOY*
[quote]1: Miranda. The problem with her was that she just kind of dove in and out of the story, and the audience (or at least I didn't) get really attached to her or interested in her. If she had been more important and exposed in the story it might have made her revelation and betrayal as Talia more shocking. [/quote]
[quote]2: In the Prison. I think Bruce should have been shown just constantly trying and failing to climb out instead of the three attempts. Makes it seem more desperate. Then, when he's finally about to give up the guy tells him about fear and doing it without the rope, and he succeeds.[/quote]
[quote]3: Bane's death. C'mon, he was killed off way too casually. At the least, he shouldn't have just been blasted by Selina. An idea I kind of like is that Bane had a sort of unrequited love for Talia, and she abandons him to Batman and Catwoman to set off the bomb rather than save him. The betrayal makes him angry and he teams up with Batz to stop her, so you get Bane in one of the Tumblers, Catwoman on the Batpod and Batman in the Batwing all chasing down Talia's truck, and Bane dies by crashing into the truck to force it off the road. It just sounds a lot more badass and fitting for me. But that's just my opinion.[/quote]
Yay, nay? What would the Flood change?
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I liked it just the way it was.
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1) I agree 2) Yeah, that could work 3) Hell no!
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I think batman should have dressed up in a gas mask shot up a movie theater at some point in the movie.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkslayer18264 1: Miranda. The problem with her was that she just kind of dove in and out of the story, and the audience (or at least I didn't) get really attached to her or interested in her. If she had been more important and exposed in the story it might have made her revelation and betrayal as Talia more shocking. [/quote] Agreed. Batman was way more emotionally sucker-punched by that twist than I was. [quote]2: In the Prison. I think Bruce should have been shown just constantly trying and failing to climb out instead of the three attempts. Makes it seem more desperate. Then, when he's finally about to give up the guy tells him about fear and doing it without the rope, and he succeeds.[/quote] The first time I watched it, I thought he was going to succeed after a couple (how many was it? I can't remember). One of the buildups was so ridiculously climactic, with the music and cinematography, I expected him to succeed, and it felt a little ridiculous when he didn't. [quote]3: Bane's death. C'mon, he was killed off way too casually. At the least, he shouldn't have just been blasted by Selina. An idea I kind of like is that Bane had a sort of unrequited love for Talia, and she abandons him to Batman and Catwoman to set off the bomb rather than save him. The betrayal makes him angry and he teams up with Batz to stop her, so you get Bane in one of the Tumblers, Catwoman on the Batpod and Batman in the Batwing all chasing down Talia's truck, and Bane dies by crashing into the truck to force it off the road. It just sounds a lot more badass and fitting for me. But that's just my opinion.[/quote] I say no to the teaming up. Bane was always dedicated to fulfilling the League of Shadow's intentions, and he wouldn't have given that up just because of Talia's cruelty, which wasn't even delivered especially ruthless. She apologised to him, and he knew it was a sacrifice he had to make. And yes, I was pretty dumbstruck with how quickly he was killed, but that happens from time to time. Fiction isn't going to be as realistic if every character has a super dramatic and climactic death. This point also applies to Kat in Reach. [Edited on 08.09.2012 9:15 AM PDT]
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I hated the way Bane was killed off. Just a quick blast and that's it? Come on he's a super villian at least give him an honorable death.
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I would've changed the scene with the cops sprinting at city hall into automatic fire to make it less -blam!- retarded.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Z Blaster700 I would've changed the scene with the cops sprinting at city hall into automatic fire to make it less -blam!- retarded.[/quote] Yeah, I had a hard time believing trained cops would charge at a roadblock full of thugs with automatic weapons. [Edited on 08.09.2012 10:08 AM PDT]
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I actually would have preferred if Bane REALLY wanted to change the city for the better, not just blow it up. Then when he finds out Talia really wants to blow it up, he feels betrayed. I thought a better ending for both of them would be they're trying to escape the city while Batman tries to get rid of the bomb, and Talia says to Bane how they will be back and destroy Gotham for good another day. Bane, not wanting all this madness to happen again, decides to blow themselves up.
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I dunno, I felt like I got to know talia well enough. [Edited on 08.09.2012 11:04 AM PDT]
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I agree with everything except 3. The torch was passed onto another villain therefore he was no longer vital to the plot. He became expendable after Talia revealed herself to Bruce. [Edited on 08.09.2012 10:18 AM PDT]
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Bane is too attached to Talia just to think she betrayed him like that though I do agree on your point of the character of Miranda/Talia. She was easily the weakest part of the film. When I first saw the film I thought the ending would've been better if they just left the cafe scene at Alfred smiling, make it more ambiguous. After thinking about it however, I feel the ending is perfect just the way it is.
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It was fine the way it was.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aang the Avatar I actually would have preferred if Bane REALLY wanted to change the city for the better, not just blow it up. Then when he finds out Talia really wants to blow it up, he feels betrayed. I thought a better ending for both of them would be they're trying to escape the city while Batman tries to get rid of the bomb, and Talia says to Bane how they will be back and destroy Gotham for good another day. Bane, not wanting all this madness to happen again, decides to blow themselves up.[/quote] ...Yeah that's better than what I got. I think I would have just preferred that Bane's end had a meaningful impact, rather than just to get him out of the way quickly like in the film.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkslayer18264 After coming back from the DKR a second time, I got to thinking. In my opinion, it was the best of the trilogy (although I can see why some would prefer the Dark Knight) and was, for me, almost perfect. But there were a couple things I thought should have been done differently. *SPOILERS AHOY* [quote]1: Miranda. The problem with her was that she just kind of dove in and out of the story, and the audience (or at least I didn't) get really attached to her or interested in her. If she had been more important and exposed in the story it might have made her revelation and betrayal as Talia more shocking. [/quote] [quote]2: In the Prison. I think Bruce should have been shown just constantly trying and failing to climb out instead of the three attempts. Makes it seem more desperate. Then, when he's finally about to give up the guy tells him about fear and doing it without the rope, and he succeeds.[/quote] [quote]3: Bane's death. C'mon, he was killed off way too casually. At the least, he shouldn't have just been blasted by Selina. An idea I kind of like is that Bane had a sort of unrequited love for Talia, and she abandons him to Batman and Catwoman to set off the bomb rather than save him. The betrayal makes him angry and he teams up with Batz to stop her, so you get Bane in one of the Tumblers, Catwoman on the Batpod and Batman in the Batwing all chasing down Talia's truck, and Bane dies by crashing into the truck to force it off the road. It just sounds a lot more badass and fitting for me. But that's just my opinion.[/quote] Yay, nay? What would the Flood change?[/quote] 1. Yeah 2. No. I felt that part was long enough. 3. No. While it was a quick death and no thought to it they were in a rush to stop Talia. Bane teaming up is dumb. And I'm sure that Bane intended to destroy Gotham all along. He lied to the people although I can't figure out why. Just to distract them or to prove something?
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I'd have left out the whole twist altogether. It was pointless and not particularly well executed. Also, the Cops Vs. Terrorists scene was just stupid. They just ran at a bunch of guys with tanks and machine guns, all stood close together with no real tactics. I'd have at least [i]tried[/i] to make some explanation as for why Bane didn't just kill the cops. Give Bane and Talia a better motivation. Theirs were both pretty shaky. The pacing could've been better, too. Damn, it really looks like I hate this movie.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Z Blaster700 I would've changed the scene with the cops sprinting at city hall into automatic fire to make it less -blam!- retarded.[/quote] Yeah, I had a hard time believing trained cops would charge at a roadblock full of thugs with automatic weapons.[/quote]I had an even harder time believing that only like 10 got shot down before they got close enough to have fist-fights.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nemesishunter7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkslayer18264 After coming back from the DKR a second time, I got to thinking. In my opinion, it was the best of the trilogy (although I can see why some would prefer the Dark Knight) and was, for me, almost perfect. But there were a couple things I thought should have been done differently. *SPOILERS AHOY* [quote]1: Miranda. The problem with her was that she just kind of dove in and out of the story, and the audience (or at least I didn't) get really attached to her or interested in her. If she had been more important and exposed in the story it might have made her revelation and betrayal as Talia more shocking. [/quote] [quote]2: In the Prison. I think Bruce should have been shown just constantly trying and failing to climb out instead of the three attempts. Makes it seem more desperate. Then, when he's finally about to give up the guy tells him about fear and doing it without the rope, and he succeeds.[/quote] [quote]3: Bane's death. C'mon, he was killed off way too casually. At the least, he shouldn't have just been blasted by Selina. An idea I kind of like is that Bane had a sort of unrequited love for Talia, and she abandons him to Batman and Catwoman to set off the bomb rather than save him. The betrayal makes him angry and he teams up with Batz to stop her, so you get Bane in one of the Tumblers, Catwoman on the Batpod and Batman in the Batwing all chasing down Talia's truck, and Bane dies by crashing into the truck to force it off the road. It just sounds a lot more badass and fitting for me. But that's just my opinion.[/quote] Yay, nay? What would the Flood change?[/quote] 1. Yeah 2. No. I felt that part was long enough. 3. No. While it was a quick death and no thought to it they were in a rush to stop Talia. Bane teaming up is dumb. And I'm sure that Bane intended to destroy Gotham all along. He lied to the people although I can't figure out why. Just to distract them or to prove something?[/quote] When he was talking to Batman in the prison, he told him about no true despair without hope. Instead of jus blowing up Gotham, he made the people despair, as a punishment to Batman. And I do agree with Bane's death. He could of fought both CW and BM wounded to let Talia escape. Or done something to prevent Batman from catching her. Also, I wish the didn't show the scene of Bruce and Selina together. Just shown Alfred smiling.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Picklesandgravy I hated the way Bane was killed off. Just a quick blast and that's it? Come on he's a super villian at least give him an honorable death.[/quote] The only villain in the trilogy to defeat Batman in hand-to-hand combat definitely deserved a better death (or defeat). The way he was blasted and forgotten was incredibly anti-climactic for his character.
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The movie was just awful. Bane was a boring, Talia popped up out of nowhere pointlessly, the movie lacked quite a bit of Batman. For the record I have no problem with Bane dying the way he did. Not everyone goes out in a blaze of glory.
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It was not a good movie at all.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RECON828 I'd have left out the whole twist altogether. It was pointless and not particularly well executed..[/quote] Wrong. If not for talia, the emergancy flood wouldn't have been activated, and so the ending couldn't have happened.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fat Man 3000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RECON828 I'd have left out the whole twist altogether. It was pointless and not particularly well executed..[/quote] Wrong. If not for talia, the emergancy flood wouldn't have been activated, and so the ending couldn't have happened.[/quote]I think you're confused on how writing works.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkslayer18264 [quote]1: Miranda.[/quote][/quote] I agree. One of the flaws of the movie is that they had a few too many characters, and thus, not enough time to get to know them. But considering how many characters there were, it was handled extremely well, and wasn't that big of a problem. [quote][quote]2: In the Prison.[/quote][/quote] The issue with this is that Bruce just had his back broken, and he had to recover, so they had to show him training, and getting better. Not to mention that just because they didn't show it, doesn't mean he didn't try other times. [quote][quote]3: Bane's death. [/quote][/quote] I was actually okay with it. His death fits with the rest of the movie. What do I mean? Well take for example the first time we see Batman (about 45 minutes into the movie). This is the first time we see him, but also the first time he comes out after 8 years. Nolan, instead of doing the classic "hero shot**" what do we see? The camera just shows Batman on his bike with the EMP gun. Nolan doesn't make a big deal out of these sorts of things, and thus, they leave even more of an impact (for me at least). When the camera showed Batman, I was super excited, more so than if they had made a huge deal about his return. Although I do agree that the 10 seconds spent on the villains death was not enough. **In action-adventure movies, the hero shot is usually either the first appearance of the hero or early in the film, when, using dramatic cinematography, the hero is shown front and center in full costume. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AudaciousZealot The only villain in the trilogy to defeat Batman in hand-to-hand combat definitely deserved a better death (or defeat). The way he was blasted and forgotten was incredibly anti-climactic for his character.[/quote] I agree. Although if you think about it, they already showed his defeat, when Batman punched the living -blam!- out of him and ripped his mask apart. Getting hit by a 40mm cannon was just a formality. [Edited on 08.09.2012 11:32 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Slothful Koala [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fat Man 3000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RECON828 I'd have left out the whole twist altogether. It was pointless and not particularly well executed..[/quote] Wrong. If not for talia, the emergancy flood wouldn't have been activated, and so the ending couldn't have happened.[/quote]I think you're confused on how writing works.[/quote] The whole movie would have had to be rewritten to accommodate the lack of that twist. Every single event that happens in the film is predictable if you pay attention to the details. The whole premise of the film requires that twist. Not to mention it is kind of essential to the War on Terror analogy the trilogy encompasses.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tibetz [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Slothful Koala [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fat Man 3000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RECON828 I'd have left out the whole twist altogether. It was pointless and not particularly well executed..[/quote] Wrong. If not for talia, the emergancy flood wouldn't have been activated, and so the ending couldn't have happened.[/quote]I think you're confused on how writing works.[/quote] The whole movie would have had to be rewritten to accommodate the lack of that twist. Every single event that happens in the film is predictable if you pay attention to the details. The whole premise of the film requires that twist. Not to mention it is kind of essential to the War on Terror analogy the trilogy encompasses.[/quote] I want to contribute to the discussion but I can't even remember anything about the flooding. I remember the actual place flooding and Morgan Freeman climbing up the ladder but I don't remember anything about its significance to the plot.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RECON828 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tibetz [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Slothful Koala [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fat Man 3000 Wrong. If not for talia, the emergancy flood wouldn't have been activated, and so the ending couldn't have happened.[/quote]I think you're confused on how writing works.[/quote] The whole movie would have had to be rewritten to accommodate the lack of that twist. Every single event that happens in the film is predictable if you pay attention to the details. The whole premise of the film requires that twist. Not to mention it is kind of essential to the War on Terror analogy the trilogy encompasses.[/quote] I want to contribute to the discussion but I can't even remember anything about the flooding. I remember the actual place flooding and Morgan Freeman climbing up the ladder but I don't remember anything about its significance to the plot.[/quote] You can't connect the nuclear bomb back into the reactor when it's flooded. Every scene Miranda is in is effectively about the reactor.
