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7/10/2012 12:50:29 AM
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Weapon Designs
So in Halo, why do the rifles mainly come in bullpup designs? The Assasult Rifle (H:CE,3,Reach), Battle Rifle (H2,3), and the DMR(Reach).
Was there ever any concepts of rifles that weren't a bullpup design? Excluding the sniper rifle of course. I have no problem with it, but it's pretty interesting that almost all the rifles are designed like that.
I like the SMG (H2,3) concept too, it's small, caseless. And the shotgun....well it's a shotgun.
What do you think of Halo's human weapons?
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The one thing I never liked about all the Halo games is how the weapon designs never actually match how the weapon behaves. If I was designing a video game, I would do things differently. I mean, I understand that different weapons are going to have different characteristics in order to balance the game play fairly, but what should be done is to figure out what characteristics weapons are going to have FIRST, and then design what they look like. I remember reading about how the original Assault Rifle fired 7.62 x 51 NATO rounds. First, Does NATO even exist anymore if you have the UNSC? Second, considering the barrel length, magazine capacity, and caliber of the rifle, it should have much longer range, and be much more accurate. The magazine should also be a lot longer, or wider, or both. Instead, they could have made it a conventional design instead of bullpup, given it a smaller magazine capacity, or smaller caliber. Nothing make sense. Just as a disclaimer, I have a lot of firearms experience, and I'm not just talking -blam!- out of my ass. [i]-MAZ[/i]
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Longer barrel allows for more rifling which gives it more accuracy. :o
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Halo 4? *wink* *wink*
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron Cause bullpup rifles allow the barrel to be longer, increasing damage?[/quote] and it allows the guns to be shorter. If you had the same barrel length of the DMR, but had the magazine in front of the trigger, it would probably be as long as the sniper rifle. Thats why the guns in Halo are so accurate.
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All of those look AWESOME. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plain Ben Well the DMR had some [url=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ezXfXwVkn3k/TT8UNiICFOI/AAAAAAAAAGA/YjLrwYMf7Es/s1600/ih_battle+rifle01c.jpg]Regular[/url] rifle designs. But my guess is that in reality Bullpup guns can be lighter and have longer barrels for the same weight, so they'd use them. I guess after that it's just keeping a consistent design style. I liked the UNSC guns, realistic modern looking with that hint of futuristic look. Although some versions that never made it in looked nice. [url=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ezXfXwVkn3k/TUd8H5mfm2I/AAAAAAAAAIs/TFWpU4jtmXk/s1600/ih_marine04.jpg]Marine's Rifle[/url] [url=http://bnbgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ih_odst_01.jpg]BR with Nade Launcher[/url] [url=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ezXfXwVkn3k/TTCm7mM-DfI/AAAAAAAAACA/bwMmBST5sgI/s1600/ih_odst01+b.jpg]ODST AR[/url][/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PISTOLSQUIRREL [quote] Major Vadcol Memo: 121634T July 12 What do you think of Halo's human weapons?First I want to thank 343 Industries for taking over the reins from Bungie and making Halo were it should be. With the exception of Halo:CE all of Halo weapons was poorly designed and unrealistic. Halo 2 was a nightmare. With Halo 4, from what I have played with the live demos, Halo 4 weapons are a dream come true. The entire Halo communities are in good hands. [/quote] [quote] hola muchachosssss [/quote] [quote] jaja [/quote] What's going on with this thread?[/quote] Well this thread was suppose to be discussing the weapon concepts of Halo, but obviously some "users" just post nonsense.
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[quote] Major Vadcol Memo: 121634T July 12 What do you think of Halo's human weapons?First I want to thank 343 Industries for taking over the reins from Bungie and making Halo were it should be. With the exception of Halo:CE all of Halo weapons was poorly designed and unrealistic. Halo 2 was a nightmare. With Halo 4, from what I have played with the live demos, Halo 4 weapons are a dream come true. The entire Halo communities are in good hands. [/quote] [quote] hola muchachosssss [/quote] [quote] jaja [/quote] What's going on with this thread?
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hola muchachosssss
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sigma617 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nativeguy216 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fallenangel12345 i think they are quite unique but all share that signature arc shape at the top but i suppose they could vary the shapes them so thay dont look almost identical[/quote] Yes, some of the weapons are quite unique. Another thing I wonder is how the sights of the weapons would look if you look through them. I don't think it would really work though if you aim down the AR's "sights" because of the ammo counter.[/quote] The MA5 Series Assault Rifle features flip down sites that fold into the cowling for personnel that do not have a neural uplink, or if the soldier prefers using Iron sights.[/quote] That's right, I completely forgot about those neural uplinks. But yeah, without them, some of the weapons do have some sights to look down, mostly scopes of course.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Major Vadcol Major Vadcol Memo: 121634T July 12 What do you think of Halo's human weapons?First I want to thank 343 Industries for taking over the reins from Bungie and making Halo were it should be. With the exception of Halo:CE all of Halo weapons was poorly designed and unrealistic. Halo 2 was a nightmare. With Halo 4, from what I have played with the live demos, Halo 4 weapons are a dream come true. The entire Halo communities are in good hands. [/quote] um... what? This almost sounds like the people complaining Halo's rifles weren't "futuristic enough!" Only so much you can do with magazine and rifle using weapons... Even then, You like the MA5B, and the MA5D, but not the MA5C or MA37, despite ALL four rifles basically being the exact same thing visually?[/quote] Heh, heh, heh. Starship Troopers comes to mind. The only problem I have with Halo weapons is that a 60 AR is better and the sniper rifle could hold more bullets. But at least the sniper rifle didn't have a microwave oven attached to it like the H4 demo does.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Major Vadcol Major Vadcol Memo: 121634T July 12 What do you think of Halo's human weapons?First I want to thank 343 Industries for taking over the reins from Bungie and making Halo were it should be. With the exception of Halo:CE all of Halo weapons was poorly designed and unrealistic. Halo 2 was a nightmare. With Halo 4, from what I have played with the live demos, Halo 4 weapons are a dream come true. The entire Halo communities are in good hands. [/quote] um... what? This almost sounds like the people complaining Halo's rifles weren't "futuristic enough!" Only so much you can do with magazine and rifle using weapons... Even then, You like the MA5B, and the MA5D, but not the MA5C or MA37, despite ALL four rifles basically being the exact same thing visually?
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The concept guns that didn't make it in look great, though the "Marine's Rifle" is something I've seen a bit to much in other games. The other two ([url=http://bnbgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ih_odst_01.jpg]1[/url],[url=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ezXfXwVkn3k/TTCm7mM-DfI/AAAAAAAAACA/bwMmBST5sgI/s1600/ih_odst01+b.jpg]2[/url]) are great though. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Major Vadcol Major Vadcol Memo: 121634T July 12 What do you think of Halo's human weapons?First I want to thank 343 Industries for taking over the reins from Bungie and making Halo were it should be. With the exception of Halo:CE all of Halo weapons was poorly designed and unrealistic. Halo 2 was a nightmare. With Halo 4, from what I have played with the live demos, Halo 4 weapons are a dream come true. The entire Halo communities are in good hands. [/quote] What? WTF is this? [Edited on 07.12.2012 3:41 PM PDT]
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Major Vadcol Memo: 121634T July 12 What do you think of Halo's human weapons?First I want to thank 343 Industries for taking over the reins from Bungie and making Halo were it should be. With the exception of Halo:CE all of Halo weapons was poorly designed and unrealistic. Halo 2 was a nightmare. With Halo 4, from what I have played with the live demos, Halo 4 weapons are a dream come true. The entire Halo communities are in good hands.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nativeguy216 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fallenangel12345 i think they are quite unique but all share that signature arc shape at the top but i suppose they could vary the shapes them so thay dont look almost identical[/quote] Yes, some of the weapons are quite unique. Another thing I wonder is how the sights of the weapons would look if you look through them. I don't think it would really work though if you aim down the AR's "sights" because of the ammo counter.[/quote] The MA5 Series Assault Rifle features flip down sites that fold into the cowling for personnel that do not have a neural uplink, or if the soldier prefers using Iron sights.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 Silenced SMG is freaking sexy.[/quote] That needs to return in a future Halo game.
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There are a lot of guns in halo, except I think people would agree with me If the game itself was somewhat like black ops, like there are the same guns but you can get different attachments like scopes/extended-magazines/under-barrel attachments/etc. That would be cool, like pick it up from a dead spartan/soldier
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fallenangel12345 i think they are quite unique but all share that signature arc shape at the top but i suppose they could vary the shapes them so thay dont look almost identical[/quote] Yes, some of the weapons are quite unique. Another thing I wonder is how the sights of the weapons would look if you look through them. I don't think it would really work though if you aim down the AR's "sights" because of the ammo counter.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plain Ben Well the DMR had some [url=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ezXfXwVkn3k/TT8UNiICFOI/AAAAAAAAAGA/YjLrwYMf7Es/s1600/ih_battle+rifle01c.jpg]Regular[/url] rifle designs. But my guess is that in reality Bullpup guns can be lighter and have longer barrels for the same weight, so they'd use them. I guess after that it's just keeping a consistent design style. I liked the UNSC guns, realistic modern looking with that hint of futuristic look. Although some versions that never made it in looked nice. [url=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ezXfXwVkn3k/TUd8H5mfm2I/AAAAAAAAAIs/TFWpU4jtmXk/s1600/ih_marine04.jpg]Marine's Rifle[/url] [url=http://bnbgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ih_odst_01.jpg]BR with Nade Launcher[/url] [url=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ezXfXwVkn3k/TTCm7mM-DfI/AAAAAAAAACA/bwMmBST5sgI/s1600/ih_odst01+b.jpg]ODST AR[/url][/quote] It's a shame concept art looks so nice. Would love to see marines in Halo like that.
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i think they are quite unique but all share that signature arc shape at the top but i suppose they could vary the shapes them so thay dont look almost identical
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I always enjoy Isaac Hannaford's weapon concepts! Per what one of you mentioned (the non bullpup design) A few of these DMRs have a traditional magazine receiver. [url=http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&biw=1920&bih=979&tbm=isch&tbnid=EheWyW7lDcXm_M:&imgrefurl=http://www.isaachannaford.com/2011/01/halo-reach-weapons-development.html&docid=0GUOswipLyX4WM&imgurl=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ezXfXwVkn3k/TT8UNiICFOI/AAAAAAAAAGA/YjLrwYMf7Es/s1600/ih_battle%252Brifle01c.jpg&w=1600&h=1018&ei=OXH8T8zuCOa48AGZ5_GVBQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=180&vpy=163&dur=465&hovh=179&hovw=282&tx=153&ty=87&sig=113669946195369371333&page=1&tbnh=129&tbnw=202&start=0&ndsp=42&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:76]DMR Variants[/url]
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Silenced SMG is freaking sexy.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plain Ben Well the DMR had some [url=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ezXfXwVkn3k/TT8UNiICFOI/AAAAAAAAAGA/YjLrwYMf7Es/s1600/ih_battle+rifle01c.jpg]Regular[/url] rifle designs. But my guess is that in reality Bullpup guns can be lighter and have longer barrels for the same weight, so they'd use them. I guess after that it's just keeping a consistent design style. I liked the UNSC guns, realistic modern looking with that hint of futuristic look. Although some versions that never made it in looked nice. [url=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ezXfXwVkn3k/TUd8H5mfm2I/AAAAAAAAAIs/TFWpU4jtmXk/s1600/ih_marine04.jpg]Marine's Rifle[/url] [url=http://bnbgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ih_odst_01.jpg]BR with Nade Launcher[/url] [url=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ezXfXwVkn3k/TTCm7mM-DfI/AAAAAAAAACA/bwMmBST5sgI/s1600/ih_odst01+b.jpg]ODST AR[/url][/quote] I like a lot of the halo concept art for weapons and vehicles, most of them i wish were put in the games in some way. They just look so sick.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron Cause bullpup rifles allow the barrel to be longer, increasing damage?[/quote] Also, I hated ODST but def loved the pistol.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plain Ben [url=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ezXfXwVkn3k/TUd8H5mfm2I/AAAAAAAAAIs/TFWpU4jtmXk/s1600/ih_marine04.jpg]Marine's Rifle[/url] [url=http://bnbgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ih_odst_01.jpg]BR with Nade Launcher[/url] [url=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ezXfXwVkn3k/TTCm7mM-DfI/AAAAAAAAACA/bwMmBST5sgI/s1600/ih_odst01+b.jpg]ODST AR[/url][/quote] The Marine's Rifle looks cool. I like the ODST weapons too, awesome seeing some custom weapons like the ODST SMG and Pistol from H3:ODST. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron Yeah, that too. You can also have a smaller overall weapon, but the same barrel length as a normal assault rifle. Which would be nice for close quarters/ship hallway combat.[/quote] Yeah, I guess I should've worded my OP differently. I know bullpups have all the action behind the trigger instead of in the front, so the weapon offers more maneuverability and apparently less weight while maintaining the same barrel length. Which makes sense playing as a Spartan, you would want as much mobility as possible. So I guess really my question is, were there other rifle designs that Bungie had that weren't bullpop? [Edited on 07.09.2012 5:24 PM PDT]
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Yeah, that too. You can also have a smaller overall weapon, but the same barrel length as a normal assault rifle. Which would be nice for close quarters/ship hallway combat.
