What? I couldn't make any sense of that.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bryanesie What? I couldn't make any sense of that. [/quote] I think he means that the Prometheans--controlled by a now synthetic Didact--is willing to fire the rings in order to kill off all Flood, etc, in the entire universe. something.. And since they are synthetic, they wouldn't be affected by the radiation. Not sure about the universe part (not sure if serious), the rest however, is an ok theory, but it would turn Halo into Mass Effect... [Edited on 06.30.2012 4:11 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bryanesie What? I couldn't make any sense of that. [/quote] I think he means that the Prometheans--controlled by a now synthetic Didact--is willing to fire the rings in order to kill off all Flood, etc, in the entire universe. something.. And since they are synthetic, they wouldn't be affected by the radiation. Not sure about the universe part (not sure if serious),[/quote]I am completely serious. watch terminal 8 of halo: cea. guilty sparks says that if all 7 halo's would be fired simoultaneously, their harmonic frequencies would overlap and increase exponentiionally to cover every known star system (in the galaxy). but if you fired all 12 original halos, the effect would reach greater distances than most forerunners thought possible. the didact i think, wants to activate all halos and wipe out organic life in the galaxy, and then rebuild 6 more halos so he can destroy all life in the galaxy to permanently get rid of the flood/precursor. it makes so much sense. he grew bitter when his wife and most forerunner died so now he thinks its worth killing everyone to stop flood once and for all. [quote]is an ok theory, but it would turn Halo into Mass Effect...[/quote]what? ME sucks and is completely unoriginal. most ideas are complete rip offs from games such as halo

First of all, the [i]entire[/i] universe, is a lot larger than anything in the Halo lore is capable of affecting. Not even close. There has even been controversies surrounding the whole "gun pointed at the head of the universe" line, where it pretty much has been stated that it was an exaggeration from Marty's part. i.e [i]galaxy[/i] should suffice. Secondly, Mass Effect is about the battle between synthetic and organic beings. Halo has never been about that until possibly now. Previously, Halo has been about a strict mantle that propagates and controls organic diversity vs its antonym; a chaotic entity that strives for monotonous harmony.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka First of all, the [i]entire[/i] universe, is a lot larger than anything in the Halo lore is capable of affecting. Not even close. There has even been controversies surrounding the whole "gun pointed at the head of the universe" line, where it pretty much has been stated that it was an exaggeration from Marty's part. i.e [i]galaxy[/i] should suffice. Secondly, Mass Effect is about the battle between synthetic and organic beings. Halo has never been about that until possibly now. Previously, Halo has been about a strict mantle that propagates and controls organic diversity vs its antonym; a chaotic entity that strives for monotonous harmony.[/quote] If the reason you're talking about Mass Effect is OP's above statement, he's probably referring to the fact that the Reapers use the exact same rationale for doing what they do as the Gravemind: that organic diversity inevitably creates chaos, and only through assimilation can life be saved and truly evolve. Except where the Reapers are concerned assimilation=death. I'd also like to point out that the official description for Halo 4 says this Ancient Evil threatens the entire universe; do not underestimate the Precursors. I do not know if that description is also an exaggeration, but the Precursors' technology was mind boggling. Considering their core philosophical beliefs and how that extended to their technology, it wouldn't surprise me if we learned that the Precursors and the universe were synonomous in some way. It's already been strongly hinted at anyway. [Edited on 06.30.2012 6:28 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka First of all, the [i]entire[/i] universe, is a lot larger than anything in the Halo lore is capable of affecting. Not even close. There has even been controversies surrounding the whole "gun pointed at the head of the universe" line, where it pretty much has been stated that it was an exaggeration from Marty's part. i.e [i]galaxy[/i] should suffice. Secondly, Mass Effect is about the battle between synthetic and organic beings. Halo has never been about that until possibly now. Previously, Halo has been about a strict mantle that propagates and controls organic diversity vs its antonym; a chaotic entity that strives for monotonous harmony.[/quote] If the reason you're talking about Mass Effect is OP's above statement, he's probably referring to the fact that the Reapers use the exact same rationale for doing what they do as the Gravemind: that organic diversity inevitably creates chaos, and only through assimilation can life be saved and truly evolve. Except where the Reapers are concerned assimilation=death. I'd also like to point out that the official description for Halo 4 says this Ancient Evil threatens the entire universe; do not underestimate the Precursors. I do not know if that description is also an exaggeration, but the Precursors' technology was mind boggling. [u]Considering their core philosophical beliefs and how that extended to their technology, it wouldn't surprise me if we learned that the Precursors and the universe were synonomous in some way. It's already been strongly hinted at anyway[/u].[/quote] I mentioned Mass Effect half jokingly, but then I clarified cause the OP refused to aknowladge that it had been dealing with synthetics long before Halo had. The underlined sentence: Do you perhaps think that's why the humans who talked to the Precursors committed mass suicide, cause they realised that they'd never be able to evaid or defeat them? Or what do you mean with "strongly hinted"? Also, if they're seriously talking about the [i]universe[/i], I feel that Halo truly has changed into a new universe.. Hrmm, I mean fiction..

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ignorant baryon what? ME sucks and is completely unoriginal. most ideas are complete rip offs from games such as halo[/quote] I [i]really[/i] hope you're making some kind of joke in disgustingly bad taste here... First of all, I'd like to clarify that just because something is unoriginal, that does not make it bad. As Oscar Wilde said: [i]"Talent borrows, genius steals."[/i] This leads me to my next point - you have to be some kind of mental defective if you think Halo is at all original. The very concept of Halo is itself derived from [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture]'The Culture' by Ian M. Banks[/url], [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringworld_%28novel%29]Larry Niven's 'Ringworld'[/url] from 1970 (which was, in-turn, derived from the concept of a Dyson Sphere - which is also present in The Culture). Halo's aesthetics are also [i]heavily[/i] borrowed from James Cameron's 'Aliens', the Elites have a lot in common with both the Xenomorphs and Predators. Furthermore, the Drones and Spartan-II Program are very similar to the main antagonists and training program in 'Ender's Game'. Not to mention that the Flood and Gravemind are heavily influenced by Lovecraftian horror. The point I'm making is that Halo is NOT original, yet it doesn't have to be in order to be good. Neither does Mass Effect - which does a tremendous job of establishing an entire universe in the games alone whereas Halo requires the novels for that. Do think before you post next time...

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka First of all, the [i]entire[/i] universe, is a lot larger than anything in the Halo lore is capable of affecting. Not even close. There has even been controversies surrounding the whole "gun pointed at the head of the universe" line, where it pretty much has been stated that it was an exaggeration from Marty's part. i.e [i]galaxy[/i] should suffice. Secondly, Mass Effect is about the battle between synthetic and organic beings. Halo has never been about that until possibly now. Previously, Halo has been about a strict mantle that propagates and controls organic diversity vs its antonym; a chaotic entity that strives for monotonous harmony.[/quote] If the reason you're talking about Mass Effect is OP's above statement, he's probably referring to the fact that the Reapers use the exact same rationale for doing what they do as the Gravemind: that organic diversity inevitably creates chaos, and only through assimilation can life be saved and truly evolve. Except where the Reapers are concerned assimilation=death. I'd also like to point out that the official description for Halo 4 says this Ancient Evil threatens the entire universe; do not underestimate the Precursors. I do not know if that description is also an exaggeration, but the Precursors' technology was mind boggling. [u]Considering their core philosophical beliefs and how that extended to their technology, it wouldn't surprise me if we learned that the Precursors and the universe were synonomous in some way. It's already been strongly hinted at anyway[/u].[/quote] I mentioned Mass Effect half jokingly, but then I clarified cause the OP refused to aknowladge that it had been dealing with synthetics long before Halo had. The underlined sentence: Do you perhaps think that's why the humans who talked to the Precursors committed mass suicide, cause they realised that they'd never be able to evaid or defeat them? Or what do you mean with "strongly hinted"? Also, if they're seriously talking about the [i]universe[/i], I feel that Halo truly has changed into a new universe.. Hrmm, I mean fiction..[/quote] It's possible, though it could easily have been because the Primordial told them that the Flood actually can't be defeated, as as well as told them what they must do as a race to prove themselves worthy. Whatever the case, Halo 4 has to involve the Precursors in some way, and hopefuly clarifies this Precursors=Flood=universe confusion we have. [Edited on 07.01.2012 6:11 AM PDT]

You do have a point OP. The Forerunners and the Precursors probably have another Ark or potential system to fire all rings. Mendicant Bias was put in charge of all defensive forerunner systems, even the rings. My guess is he probably has another Ark out there for emergencies if Flood expanded. [Edited on 06.30.2012 11:21 PM PDT]

So much logic! Yet so little sense

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] im the next halo You do have a point OP. The Forerunners and the Precursors probably have another Ark or potential system to fire all rings. Mendicant Bias was put in charge of all defensive forerunner systems, even the rings. My guess is he probably has another Ark out there for emergencies if Flood expanded.[/quote] there [i]were[/i] two Arks you know. The one we know was the Lesser Ark. The other was the much bigger Greater Ark, responsible for building Halos in their full size at 30,000 km in diameter, rather than 10,000. The Greater Ark was seen in Cryptum (presumably) and the mentioned in Primordium.

I thought it was the other way around and the Ark in H3 was the greater one.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 I thought it was the other way around and the Ark in H3 was the greater one. [/quote] Nah, the one in Halo 3 only built a regular sized Halo replacerment, not the 30,000 kind. The Greater had only 6 petals rather than 8, and instead of an artificial sun, the Greater was illuminated by 6 large plasma shafts.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] im the next halo You do have a point OP. The Forerunners and the Precursors probably have another Ark or potential system to fire all rings. Mendicant Bias was put in charge of all defensive forerunner systems, even the rings. My guess is he probably has another Ark out there for emergencies if Flood expanded.[/quote] there [i]were[/i] two Arks you know. The one we know was the Lesser Ark. The other was the much bigger Greater Ark, responsible for building Halos in their full size at 30,000 km in diameter, rather than 10,000. The Greater Ark was seen in Cryptum (presumably) and the mentioned in Primordium.[/quote]Yeah, I don't know so much about the Forerunner facts in Halo. I know more about the UNSC and Covenant facts. Primarily Spartans in general.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka First of all, the [i]entire[/i] universe, is a lot larger than anything in the Halo lore is capable of affecting. Not even close. There has even been controversies surrounding the whole "gun pointed at the head of the universe" line, where it pretty much has been stated that it was an exaggeration from Marty's part. i.e [i]galaxy[/i] should suffice. Secondly, Mass Effect is about the battle between synthetic and organic beings. Halo has never been about that until possibly now. Previously, Halo has been about a strict mantle that propagates and controls organic diversity vs its antonym; a chaotic entity that strives for monotonous harmony.[/quote] If the reason you're talking about Mass Effect is OP's above statement, he's probably referring to the fact that the Reapers use the exact same rationale for doing what they do as the Gravemind: that organic diversity inevitably creates chaos, and only through assimilation can life be saved and truly evolve. Except where the Reapers are concerned assimilation=death. I'd also like to point out that the official description for Halo 4 says this Ancient Evil threatens the entire universe; do not underestimate the Precursors. I do not know if that description is also an exaggeration, but the Precursors' technology was mind boggling. Considering their core philosophical beliefs and how that extended to their technology, it wouldn't surprise me if we learned that the Precursors and the universe were synonomous in some way. It's already been strongly hinted at anyway.[/quote]Reapers are about the tech level, maybe a bit higher than Forerunner. They wipe out sentient, basically all sentient life every 50k years. Reapers do not do the same exact plans as Gravemind. The Gravemind wants to dominate and rule all sentient life. Reapers already do that anyway. They destroy when things get out of hand. Because it's stated they wipe all life out every 50k years so they don't proceed technologically advanced and do something stupid. My ME lore isn't as precise, but the Reapers perform entirely differently than the Gravemind.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] im the next halo Reapers are about the tech level, maybe a bit higher than Forerunner. They wipe out sentient, basically all sentient life every 50k years. Reapers do not do the same exact plans as Gravemind. The Gravemind wants to dominate and rule all sentient life. Reapers already do that anyway. They destroy when things get out of hand. Because it's stated they wipe all life out every 50k years so they don't proceed technologically advanced and do something stupid. My ME lore isn't as precise, but the Reapers perform entirely differently than the Gravemind. [/quote] Well, kind of. What the Reapers fear is that organic life will evolve into synthetic, one way or another. They fear that whatever species capable of such a transition, might decide to completely remove the concept of organic life, becoming the sole actor in the galaxy, which would ultimately stagnate life/progress. So they're almost identical to the Mantle; both strive towards a healthy level of organic divercity throughout the galaxy. [i] Living Time; "the joy of life's interaction with the Cosmos".[/i] Oh, and just to be clear, I never compared the Reapers with the Flood, I compared two concepts; organic vas synthetic, in ME and Halo. The concept behind the Gravemind/the Flood, if I've got it right, is that[i] Living Time[/i] only becomes possible if nothing whatsoever, is capable of disturbing the peace. The suggestion: a single species capable of diversity within itself, one that constantly evolves on its own terms. This would also be why Mendicant Bias was convinced; he saw truth/similarities to the Mantle, in the Prisoners words. This is however where my uncertainty begins. The Flood and the Precursors are supposedly the same, so why do their agendas differ? Why would the Precursors create vast amounts of organic species, only to introduce them to the Flood? This has to mean that my understanding of the Gravemind is wrong, right? Anyone care to clear things up? [Edited on 07.01.2012 3:18 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] im the next halo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka First of all, the [i]entire[/i] universe, is a lot larger than anything in the Halo lore is capable of affecting. Not even close. There has even been controversies surrounding the whole "gun pointed at the head of the universe" line, where it pretty much has been stated that it was an exaggeration from Marty's part. i.e [i]galaxy[/i] should suffice. Secondly, Mass Effect is about the battle between synthetic and organic beings. Halo has never been about that until possibly now. Previously, Halo has been about a strict mantle that propagates and controls organic diversity vs its antonym; a chaotic entity that strives for monotonous harmony.[/quote] If the reason you're talking about Mass Effect is OP's above statement, he's probably referring to the fact that the Reapers use the exact same rationale for doing what they do as the Gravemind: that organic diversity inevitably creates chaos, and only through assimilation can life be saved and truly evolve. Except where the Reapers are concerned assimilation=death. I'd also like to point out that the official description for Halo 4 says this Ancient Evil threatens the entire universe; do not underestimate the Precursors. I do not know if that description is also an exaggeration, but the Precursors' technology was mind boggling. Considering their core philosophical beliefs and how that extended to their technology, it wouldn't surprise me if we learned that the Precursors and the universe were synonomous in some way. It's already been strongly hinted at anyway.[/quote]Reapers are about the tech level, maybe a bit higher than Forerunner. They wipe out sentient, basically all sentient life every 50k years. Reapers do not do the same exact plans as Gravemind. The Gravemind wants to dominate and rule all sentient life. Reapers already do that anyway. They destroy when things get out of hand. Because it's stated they wipe all life out every 50k years so they don't proceed technologically advanced and do something stupid. My ME lore isn't as precise, but the Reapers perform entirely differently than the Gravemind. [/quote] Forerunner achievements include: 1) Mastery over dimensional physics. They've built entire solar system sized worlds in alternate realities, as well as having explored several other universes. 2) Their fleets--both automated and numbering in the trillions--have standard warship weapons that can crack a planet like an egg. They tore the surface of a planet off using fighters, bombers and mech suits. They can destroy a star with their warships and use the explosion as a weapon. 3) They have the defenses to boot, with armor capable of absorbing the good end of a 200 terraton blast (the estimated strength of a standard Forerunner cruiser; that's twice as powerful as the astreoid that killed the donisaurs). 4) The armor that all civillians wore was, at one point, 4 times the power of a MJOLNIR Mk. VI. Their armor allows Forerunners to live for thousands, if not tens of thousands of years. 5) Their starships are grown like plants from a single design seed. Their engineers have built entire stars, planets and other celestial superstructures. They even contemplated the possibility of shifting the gravitational axis of entire galaxies (if they achieved it is unknown). They could create ships made out of pure light. The Reapers? Hardly comparable to the Covenant. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] im the next halo Reapers are about the tech level, maybe a bit higher than Forerunner. They wipe out sentient, basically all sentient life every 50k years. Reapers do not do the same exact plans as Gravemind. The Gravemind wants to dominate and rule all sentient life. Reapers already do that anyway. They destroy when things get out of hand. Because it's stated they wipe all life out every 50k years so they don't proceed technologically advanced and do something stupid. My ME lore isn't as precise, but the Reapers perform entirely differently than the Gravemind. [/quote] Well, kind of. What the Reapers fear is that organic life will evolve into synthetic, one way or another. They fear that whatever species capable of such a transition, might decide to completely remove the concept of organic life, becoming the sole actor in the galaxy, which would ultimately stagnate life/progress. So they're almost identical to the Mantle; both strive towards a healthy level of organic divercity throughout the galaxy. [i] Living Time; "the joy of life's interaction with the Cosmos".[/i] Oh, and just to be clear, I never compared the Reapers with the Flood, I compared two concepts; organic vas synthetic, in ME and Halo. The concept behind the Gravemind/the Flood, if I've got it right, is that[i] Living Time[/i] only becomes possible if nothing whatsoever, is capable of disturbing the peace. The suggestion: a single species capable of diversity within itself, one that constantly evolves on its own terms. This would also be why Mendicant Bias was convinced; he saw truth/similarities to the Mantle, in the Prisoners words. This is however where my uncertainty begins. The Flood and the Precursors are supposedly the same, so why do their agendas differ? Why would the Precursors create vast amounts of organic species, only to introduce them to the Flood? This has to mean that my understanding of the Gravemind is wrong, right? Anyone care to clear things up?[/quote] There's been speculation ased on a line from Primordium that the Precursors split between the creators of the Flood, and the creators of Mankind/Forerunners. Primordial says that he is only the last of one kind of Precursor, and that the Forerunner's creators fled after beeing ruthlessly hunted. The Gravemind feels that order can only be achieved by total unity, and unity can only be achieved by the Flood assimilating all races. He does not, as next halo suggests, want to rule sentient life. He ONLY wishes for there to be peace which can only be achieved if all races share a consciousness. One interpretation is that the Graveminds aren't individuals, but more the collective will of everything it has assimilated. You still exist, but within the Mind. Just as the Reapers allegedly "preserve" races within themselves in an attempt to create order by assimilating the races as a Reaper. Otherwise, war, strife, chaos.

You know you're in for a laugh when the title says 'thoery.'

[b]@ ROBERTO jh:[/b] thanks! I feel reassured knowing that I at least got the Gravemind part right. I'm not sure I like the Precursors role in the story anymore though. As a storytelling element they're far to schizophrenic for my taste. I prefere clear cut, less extreem in extent, individual building blocks. I.e the Precursors being many different races with different agendas, motives, and methods of achieving their goals, feels unfocused and unnecessary for the story. But that's just me being difficult again.. [Edited on 07.01.2012 5:17 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka [b]@ ROBERTO jh:[/b] thanks! I feel reassured knowing that I at least got the Gravemind part right. I'm not sure I like the Precursors role in the story anymore though. As a storytelling element they're far to schizophrenic for my taste. I prefere clear cut, less extreem in extent, individual building blocks. I.e the Precursors being many different races with different agendas and motives, feels unfocused and unnecessary for the story. But that's just me being difficult again..[/quote] It makes it more interesting, imo, that even the gods have problems. Makes you question if even [i]they[/i] deserve universal responsibility. And sorry for any distracting spelling mistakes; using an old computer that seems to enjoy warping my words.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka [b]@ ROBERTO jh:[/b] thanks! I feel reassured knowing that I at least got the Gravemind part right. I'm not sure I like the Precursors role in the story anymore though. As a storytelling element they're far to schizophrenic for my taste. I prefere clear cut, less extreem in extent, individual building blocks. I.e the Precursors being many different races with different agendas and motives, feels unfocused and unnecessary for the story. But that's just me being difficult again..[/quote] It makes it more interesting, imo, that even the gods have problems. Makes you question if even [i]they[/i] deserve universal responsibility. And sorry for any distracting spelling mistakes; using an old computer that seems to enjoy warping my words.[/quote] Hmm, fair point, as long as those aspects you brought up actually get acknowledged and well defined. I've just always prefered it when everything, every nuance put into a story, is there for a reason. [Edited on 07.01.2012 5:41 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka First of all, the [i]entire[/i] universe, is a lot larger than anything in the Halo lore is capable of affecting. Not even close. There has even been controversies surrounding the whole "gun pointed at the head of the universe" line, where it pretty much has been stated that it was an exaggeration from Marty's part. i.e [i]galaxy[/i] should suffice. Secondly, Mass Effect is about the battle between synthetic and organic beings. Halo has never been about that until possibly now. Previously, Halo has been about a strict mantle that propagates and controls organic diversity vs its antonym; a chaotic entity that strives for monotonous harmony.[/quote] Very interesting theory, and a suppose its plausible, but im going to have to side with Janaka on this.

I am very appreciate that much support, and in terminal 8 343 say that with 12 halo rings we could reach a range further than most forerunners realized. When halo fire the waves add up exponentionally (source terminal 8) so maybe entire universe if all 12 rings fired. Mark my eord, otherwise why would 343i introduce the concept when previously halos just had a radius of 25 ly, and 12 rings and two arks. I must be right or wrong, u cant deny me

What are you talking about? You´re talking as if the Didact had wanted to fire the array. He did because it was their last option to defeat the Flood. And who knows if by firing the rings the Precursors and Flood will bea defeated again... they came from outside of our galaxy remember that. They might be pushed back once more as they were by ancient humans and return again. Until the origin is found and eliminated, I don´t think the Flood can be truly stopped.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 What are you talking about? You´re talking as if the Didact had wanted to fire the array. He did because it was their last option to defeat the Flood. And who knows if by firing the rings the Precursors and Flood will bea defeated again... they came from outside of our galaxy remember that. They might be pushed back once more as they were by ancient humans and return again. Until the origin is found and eliminated, I don´t think the Flood can be truly stopped.[/quote]the didact in halo 4 became bitter when most forerunners died in halo firing including his wife. he has spent the last 100000 years making all forerunners into machines in requiem and now plans on leaving requiem (source halo 4 trailer, cortana) and firing the halos. When most of all life in galaxy is eradicated from the 6 halos firing, he will locate the second ark and rebuild all 12 original halos and activate them all. 343 said in terminal 8 of cea that the halo range is magnified exponentionally with each simoultaneous firing of a ring. With all12 halos firing at the same time, they could possibly reach the entire universe and finally end the precursor/flood threat permanently. he considers the casualties acceptable.

I can see 12 Halo rings covering the entire universe. Because sci fi and each extra Halo ring multiplies the range exponentially. So 7=100000 light year diameter. 8=100000^100 9=(100000)^100 Something ridiculous like that. If that is the case, I wonder if they actually do the calculation.