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Ignorant baryon

Ignorant baryon

6/30/2012 10:19:55 AM
In halo 4 description, it says "ancient evil that threatens the the entire universe". Ppl thot it had to be the precursor but in halo cea terminal 8 guilty spark says "and if the full array sas attuned by 00 then the overlapping waves would magnify exponentionally cascading to cover all known star systems. and that only considers the firing of a mere 7 halo rings, not the original 12. sterilization would spread farther than most forerunners feared we could reach." this means, i think, that the didact and his friends have spent 100k hears in requiem and made themselves into the robots, and are now planning on fleeing requiem and firing all 6 halos and in the future rebuilding all so sterilization will cover the entire universe, to permanently end the threat of the flood and precursor. this is why cortana say " i will not allow you to leave this planet". I think there are 2 arks so they can find it and build another 6 halos. Or maube they have halos in requiem? Further proof : "he never got a chance to fully execute his proposal. The council saw to that. but if something were to happen with one of the halos, if our tools were ever used against us... Long plans indeed." I think this is truth and i sould love to hear reasons why not? [Edited on 06.30.2012 2:28 AM PDT]

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    autoglass gavin

    autoglass gavin

    8/16/2012 6:46:57 PM Permalink
    lol EDIT: crap, didn't realise how old this thread was, now I'm gonna get banned or something -_- [Edited on 08.16.2012 10:47 AM PDT]
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    KingInTheNorth

    KingInTheNorth

    7/6/2012 3:42:53 PM Permalink
    My God... this thread... I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Didact did not spend the time after the firing until now "turning into robots." [Edited on 07.06.2012 7:44 AM PDT]
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    Chronarch

    Chronarch

    7/6/2012 3:37:34 PM Permalink
    If 12 Rings would make the radius of the blast increase exponentionally then what would be the point of having the Ark as a 'safe haven' from the firing? Living specimins were kept there so it would make no sense for 12 Rings to be able to reach that far.
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    Ignorant baryon

    Ignorant baryon

    7/6/2012 3:29:33 PM Permalink
    Yes i forgot. But later in terminal he says that if all halos fire the effect is increased exponentionally. I dont think that if the sum of the range of each 12 rings at 25 ly each is further than most forerunner feared. Hmmm 7 rings each with a radius of 25000ly couldnt reach 3 radii ( end of halo 2 i think 343 said 3 radii of the galaxy was coverez) of the galaxy, which has a diameter of 100k iirc.
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    Typhoon

    Typhoon

    7/6/2012 3:23:49 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ignorant baryon i think you are jelous because you didnt think of it first. Mark my word that didact is enemy and want to fire halos in halo 4. He make himself and all forerunner into robot so they could survive and find final solution to flood [/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ignorant baryon i think you are jelous because you didnt think of it first. [/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ignorant baryon i think you are jelous[/quote] [url=http://www.fybertech.com/4thread/v_111281711/1316839988682.jpg]Get a load of this guy[/url] The Didact would have to have a bloody good reason for being the enemy in Halo 4 considering he began to feel more sympathetic to humanity and he has very little reason to start a war with a fledgling, post-war, weakened human force. [Edited on 07.06.2012 7:25 AM PDT]
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    Chronarch

    Chronarch

    7/6/2012 3:20:04 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ignorant baryon i guess i am wrong about most things, but actually in terminal 8 of halo cea, guilty spark says that the halos pulses enhance each other and every sinoultaneous firing increases the total range exponentionally. I dont know how this works with his comment in halo ce two betrayals that "this ring has an effective range of 25.000 ly." maybe a retcon from 343i. [/quote] It wasn't retconned. In the same Terminal you keep citing, Spark says at the start: [quote]"25,000 light years - that is the effective range of this Installation."[/quote]
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    Ignorant baryon

    Ignorant baryon

    7/6/2012 3:14:33 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ignorant baryon i think you are jelous because you didnt think of it first.[/quote] [i]*Snorts with laughter*[/i] I guess we all have our delusions. [quote]Mark my word that didact is enemy and want to fire halos in halo 4.[/quote] So kindly explain why he has suddenly changed his mind after spending over 300 years being opposed to the idea of the Halos, citing them as genocidal weapons they shouldn't use (only using it as a last resort after the Librarian begs him to). If you're going by the idea that the main villain will want the Halos activated then Faber would be a much more logical choice. However, given the tripe you've posted I doubt you've read the Forerunner Saga... [quote]He make himself and all forerunner into robot so they could survive and find final solution to flood[/quote] Prove it. Show me some evidence, you can't pass this off as fact without it and you can't prove it because Halo 4 isn't out yet. If the Didact made himself into a synthetic, why is he in a Cryptum in the E3 demo? He wouldn't need to be if he were no longer organic. [quote]Terminal 8 says if all halos fire they would reach further than most forerunners thought possible, why they would mention this? halo 4 description said the ancient evil threatened the entire universe.[/quote] Each Halo's firing range covers 25,000 lightyears. 7 was just enough to cover the Milky Way galaxy, the universe is made up of trillions and trillions of galaxyies - how are 5 more Halos going to threaten the entire universe? You do realise that those other 5 Rings were destroyed, right? Only 7 were used in the final plan. [quote]And terminal 8 also said didact wasnt allOwed by the council to fullu execute his plan. I think his plan was to fire all 12 halos and destroy all life while they were in shield worlds. It makes so much sense it must be truth. i dont think you can deny.[/quote] Again, evidence you haven't read the Forerunner Saga. The Didact's plan was to create the Shield Worlds as their main form of defense against the Flood but the Builders rejected this and instead created the Halos, he did not want to wipe out all life in the galaxy, he was committed to using his fleets to kill the Flood to ensure he didn't kill off innocent races. [quote]343 said that without the librarian to temper his rage, we would prefer the flood.[/quote] 343 GS is speculating about what would happen... nothing more. [quote]it is obvious from halo 4 previews that these forerunner no longer very powerful, so they will leave requiem and fire all 6 halos and then find ark and create more halos.[/quote] Er... what? Not only have we not actually seen any Forerunners yet, it's pretty clear that they [i]are[/i] still powerful enough to retain all their old technology inside Requiem. Once again, you're talking like what you're saying will be true, however you've absolutely no evidence because you've not read any of the novels or Halo 3 Temrinals to give you any kind of context. [quote]when cortana becomes the librarian thru geas, he will realize it is wrong to kill most life to stop the flood.[/quote] Cortana was born an AI, she [i]can't[/i] have had any kind of geas imprinted on her - unlike Chakas who was actually a human before being made into a Monitor. [quote]then wefind new solution which is organon which will avtivate all precursor techbology and save the day. this i think, what do u think im ver interest to hear what ur theory of halo 4 is :)[/quote] Not only did the Didact confirm that the Organon is but a myth, how will it resolve anything? Halo destroyed all Precursor technology, there's none left so how is it going to "save the day"?[/quote]i guess i am wrong about most things, but actually in terminal 8 of halo cea, guilty spark says that the halos pulses enhance each other and every sinoultaneous firing increases the total range exponentionally. I dont know how this works with his comment in halo ce two betrayals that "this ring has an effective range of 25.000 ly." maybe a retcon from 343i. Here is [url=http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-7-Cl9AjwsM]terminal 8[/url] [Edited on 07.06.2012 7:19 AM PDT]
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    Chronarch

    Chronarch

    7/6/2012 2:49:53 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ignorant baryon i think you are jelous because you didnt think of it first.[/quote] [i]*Snorts with laughter*[/i] I guess we all have our delusions. [quote]Mark my word that didact is enemy and want to fire halos in halo 4.[/quote] So kindly explain why he has suddenly changed his mind after spending over 300 years being opposed to the idea of the Halos, citing them as genocidal weapons they shouldn't use (only using it as a last resort after the Librarian begs him to). If you're going by the idea that the main villain will want the Halos activated then Faber would be a much more logical choice. However, given the tripe you've posted I doubt you've read the Forerunner Saga... [quote]He make himself and all forerunner into robot so they could survive and find final solution to flood[/quote] Prove it. Show me some evidence, you can't pass this off as fact without it and you can't prove it because Halo 4 isn't out yet. If the Didact made himself into a synthetic, why is he in a Cryptum in the E3 demo? He wouldn't need to be if he were no longer organic. [quote]Terminal 8 says if all halos fire they would reach further than most forerunners thought possible, why they would mention this? halo 4 description said the ancient evil threatened the entire universe.[/quote] Each Halo's firing range covers 25,000 lightyears. 7 was just enough to cover the Milky Way galaxy, the universe is made up of trillions and trillions of galaxyies - how are 5 more Halos going to threaten the entire universe? You do realise that those other 5 Rings were destroyed, right? Only 7 were used in the final plan. [quote]And terminal 8 also said didact wasnt allOwed by the council to fullu execute his plan. I think his plan was to fire all 12 halos and destroy all life while they were in shield worlds. It makes so much sense it must be truth. i dont think you can deny.[/quote] Again, evidence you haven't read the Forerunner Saga. The Didact's plan was to create the Shield Worlds as their main form of defense against the Flood but the Builders rejected this and instead created the Halos, he did not want to wipe out all life in the galaxy, he was committed to using his fleets to kill the Flood to ensure he didn't kill off innocent races. [quote]343 said that without the librarian to temper his rage, we would prefer the flood.[/quote] 343 GS is speculating about what would happen... nothing more. [quote]it is obvious from halo 4 previews that these forerunner no longer very powerful, so they will leave requiem and fire all 6 halos and then find ark and create more halos.[/quote] Er... what? Not only have we not actually seen any Forerunners yet, it's pretty clear that they [i]are[/i] still powerful enough to retain all their old technology inside Requiem. Once again, you're talking like what you're saying will be true, however you've absolutely no evidence because you've not read any of the novels or Halo 3 Temrinals to give you any kind of context. [quote]when cortana becomes the librarian thru geas, he will realize it is wrong to kill most life to stop the flood.[/quote] Cortana was born an AI, she [i]can't[/i] have had any kind of geas imprinted on her - unlike Chakas who was actually a human before being made into a Monitor. [quote]then wefind new solution which is organon which will avtivate all precursor techbology and save the day. this i think, what do u think im ver interest to hear what ur theory of halo 4 is :)[/quote] Not only did the Didact confirm that the Organon is but a myth, how will it resolve anything? Halo destroyed all Precursor technology, there's none left so how is it going to "save the day"?
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    Ignorant baryon

    Ignorant baryon

    7/6/2012 2:27:05 PM Permalink
    i think you are jelous because you didnt think of it first. Mark my word that didact is enemy and want to fire halos in halo 4. He make himself and all forerunner into robot so they could survive and find final solution to flood Terminal 8 says if all halos fire they would reach further than most forerunners thought possible, why they would mention this? halo 4 description said the ancient evil threatened the entire universe. And terminal 8 also said didact wasnt allOwed by the council to fullu execute his plan. I think his plan was to fire all 12 halos and destroy all life while they were in shield worlds. It makes so much sense it must be truth. i dont think you can deny. also maybe this is original didact we thought faber killed. hmmmm. 343 said that without the librarian to temper his rage, we would prefer the flood. it is obvious from halo 4 previews that these forerunner no longer very powerful, so they will leave requiem and fire all 6 halos and then find ark and create more halos. when cortana becomes the librarian thru geas, he will realize it is wrong to kill most life to stop the flood. then wefind new solution which is organon which will avtivate all precursor techbology and save the day. this i think, what do u think im ver interest to hear what ur theory of halo 4 is :)
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    Chronarch

    Chronarch

    7/6/2012 1:12:22 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ignorant baryon [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 You don't know any of that because you haven't played Halo 4... Also, the Librarian and many other Forerunners survived...[/quote] thats why title is theory not fact of halo 4[/quote] Then stop presenting your posts as if they're fact. Also, this isn't a theory - a theory is an idea founded on some logical basis with reference to credible sources... [quote]and i think most forerunner die and his wife was on earth i think. Maybe cortana will become rampant and unlock her geas and become librarian and convinc didact he is wrong.[/quote] ...and from this, it's clear you haven't met that standard to call your idea a theory.
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    Ignorant baryon

    Ignorant baryon

    7/6/2012 10:17:11 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 You don't know any of that because you haven't played Halo 4... Also, the Librarian and many other Forerunners survived...[/quote] thats why title is theory not fact of halo 4 and i think most forerunner die and his wife was on earth i think. Maybe cortana will become rampant and unlock her geas and become librarian and convinc didact he is wrong. [Edited on 07.06.2012 2:19 AM PDT]
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    Chronarch

    Chronarch

    7/5/2012 11:30:26 PM Permalink
    You don't know any of that because you haven't played Halo 4... Also, the Librarian and many other Forerunners survived...
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    Quantum

    Quantum

    7/5/2012 11:29:25 PM Permalink
    I can see 12 Halo rings covering the entire universe. Because sci fi and each extra Halo ring multiplies the range exponentially. So 7=100000 light year diameter. 8=100000^100 9=(100000)^100 Something ridiculous like that. If that is the case, I wonder if they actually do the calculation.
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    Ignorant baryon

    Ignorant baryon

    7/5/2012 10:18:11 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 What are you talking about? You´re talking as if the Didact had wanted to fire the array. He did because it was their last option to defeat the Flood. And who knows if by firing the rings the Precursors and Flood will bea defeated again... they came from outside of our galaxy remember that. They might be pushed back once more as they were by ancient humans and return again. Until the origin is found and eliminated, I don´t think the Flood can be truly stopped.[/quote]the didact in halo 4 became bitter when most forerunners died in halo firing including his wife. he has spent the last 100000 years making all forerunners into machines in requiem and now plans on leaving requiem (source halo 4 trailer, cortana) and firing the halos. When most of all life in galaxy is eradicated from the 6 halos firing, he will locate the second ark and rebuild all 12 original halos and activate them all. 343 said in terminal 8 of cea that the halo range is magnified exponentionally with each simoultaneous firing of a ring. With all12 halos firing at the same time, they could possibly reach the entire universe and finally end the precursor/flood threat permanently. he considers the casualties acceptable.
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    HipiO7

    HipiO7

    7/5/2012 10:03:34 PM Permalink
    What are you talking about? You´re talking as if the Didact had wanted to fire the array. He did because it was their last option to defeat the Flood. And who knows if by firing the rings the Precursors and Flood will bea defeated again... they came from outside of our galaxy remember that. They might be pushed back once more as they were by ancient humans and return again. Until the origin is found and eliminated, I don´t think the Flood can be truly stopped.
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    Ignorant baryon

    Ignorant baryon

    7/5/2012 9:52:41 PM Permalink
    I am very appreciate that much support, and in terminal 8 343 say that with 12 halo rings we could reach a range further than most forerunners realized. When halo fire the waves add up exponentionally (source terminal 8) so maybe entire universe if all 12 rings fired. Mark my eord, otherwise why would 343i introduce the concept when previously halos just had a radius of 25 ly, and 12 rings and two arks. I must be right or wrong, u cant deny me
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    ADopedUpWalris

    ADopedUpWalris

    7/2/2012 4:55:38 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka First of all, the [i]entire[/i] universe, is a lot larger than anything in the Halo lore is capable of affecting. Not even close. There has even been controversies surrounding the whole "gun pointed at the head of the universe" line, where it pretty much has been stated that it was an exaggeration from Marty's part. i.e [i]galaxy[/i] should suffice. Secondly, Mass Effect is about the battle between synthetic and organic beings. Halo has never been about that until possibly now. Previously, Halo has been about a strict mantle that propagates and controls organic diversity vs its antonym; a chaotic entity that strives for monotonous harmony.[/quote] Very interesting theory, and a suppose its plausible, but im going to have to side with Janaka on this.
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    Citrus raptor

    Citrus raptor

    7/2/2012 1:28:07 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka [b]@ ROBERTO jh:[/b] thanks! I feel reassured knowing that I at least got the Gravemind part right. I'm not sure I like the Precursors role in the story anymore though. As a storytelling element they're far to schizophrenic for my taste. I prefere clear cut, less extreem in extent, individual building blocks. I.e the Precursors being many different races with different agendas and motives, feels unfocused and unnecessary for the story. But that's just me being difficult again..[/quote] It makes it more interesting, imo, that even the gods have problems. Makes you question if even [i]they[/i] deserve universal responsibility. And sorry for any distracting spelling mistakes; using an old computer that seems to enjoy warping my words.[/quote] Hmm, fair point, as long as those aspects you brought up actually get acknowledged and well defined. I've just always prefered it when everything, every nuance put into a story, is there for a reason. [Edited on 07.01.2012 5:41 PM PDT]
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    ROBERTO jh

    ROBERTO jh

    7/2/2012 1:16:22 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka [b]@ ROBERTO jh:[/b] thanks! I feel reassured knowing that I at least got the Gravemind part right. I'm not sure I like the Precursors role in the story anymore though. As a storytelling element they're far to schizophrenic for my taste. I prefere clear cut, less extreem in extent, individual building blocks. I.e the Precursors being many different races with different agendas and motives, feels unfocused and unnecessary for the story. But that's just me being difficult again..[/quote] It makes it more interesting, imo, that even the gods have problems. Makes you question if even [i]they[/i] deserve universal responsibility. And sorry for any distracting spelling mistakes; using an old computer that seems to enjoy warping my words.
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    Citrus raptor

    Citrus raptor

    7/2/2012 1:09:59 AM Permalink
    [b]@ ROBERTO jh:[/b] thanks! I feel reassured knowing that I at least got the Gravemind part right. I'm not sure I like the Precursors role in the story anymore though. As a storytelling element they're far to schizophrenic for my taste. I prefere clear cut, less extreem in extent, individual building blocks. I.e the Precursors being many different races with different agendas, motives, and methods of achieving their goals, feels unfocused and unnecessary for the story. But that's just me being difficult again.. [Edited on 07.01.2012 5:17 PM PDT]
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    ROBERTO jh

    ROBERTO jh

    7/2/2012 12:28:03 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] im the next halo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka First of all, the [i]entire[/i] universe, is a lot larger than anything in the Halo lore is capable of affecting. Not even close. There has even been controversies surrounding the whole "gun pointed at the head of the universe" line, where it pretty much has been stated that it was an exaggeration from Marty's part. i.e [i]galaxy[/i] should suffice. Secondly, Mass Effect is about the battle between synthetic and organic beings. Halo has never been about that until possibly now. Previously, Halo has been about a strict mantle that propagates and controls organic diversity vs its antonym; a chaotic entity that strives for monotonous harmony.[/quote] If the reason you're talking about Mass Effect is OP's above statement, he's probably referring to the fact that the Reapers use the exact same rationale for doing what they do as the Gravemind: that organic diversity inevitably creates chaos, and only through assimilation can life be saved and truly evolve. Except where the Reapers are concerned assimilation=death. I'd also like to point out that the official description for Halo 4 says this Ancient Evil threatens the entire universe; do not underestimate the Precursors. I do not know if that description is also an exaggeration, but the Precursors' technology was mind boggling. Considering their core philosophical beliefs and how that extended to their technology, it wouldn't surprise me if we learned that the Precursors and the universe were synonomous in some way. It's already been strongly hinted at anyway.[/quote]Reapers are about the tech level, maybe a bit higher than Forerunner. They wipe out sentient, basically all sentient life every 50k years. Reapers do not do the same exact plans as Gravemind. The Gravemind wants to dominate and rule all sentient life. Reapers already do that anyway. They destroy when things get out of hand. Because it's stated they wipe all life out every 50k years so they don't proceed technologically advanced and do something stupid. My ME lore isn't as precise, but the Reapers perform entirely differently than the Gravemind. [/quote] Forerunner achievements include: 1) Mastery over dimensional physics. They've built entire solar system sized worlds in alternate realities, as well as having explored several other universes. 2) Their fleets--both automated and numbering in the trillions--have standard warship weapons that can crack a planet like an egg. They tore the surface of a planet off using fighters, bombers and mech suits. They can destroy a star with their warships and use the explosion as a weapon. 3) They have the defenses to boot, with armor capable of absorbing the good end of a 200 terraton blast (the estimated strength of a standard Forerunner cruiser; that's twice as powerful as the astreoid that killed the donisaurs). 4) The armor that all civillians wore was, at one point, 4 times the power of a MJOLNIR Mk. VI. Their armor allows Forerunners to live for thousands, if not tens of thousands of years. 5) Their starships are grown like plants from a single design seed. Their engineers have built entire stars, planets and other celestial superstructures. They even contemplated the possibility of shifting the gravitational axis of entire galaxies (if they achieved it is unknown). They could create ships made out of pure light. The Reapers? Hardly comparable to the Covenant. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] im the next halo Reapers are about the tech level, maybe a bit higher than Forerunner. They wipe out sentient, basically all sentient life every 50k years. Reapers do not do the same exact plans as Gravemind. The Gravemind wants to dominate and rule all sentient life. Reapers already do that anyway. They destroy when things get out of hand. Because it's stated they wipe all life out every 50k years so they don't proceed technologically advanced and do something stupid. My ME lore isn't as precise, but the Reapers perform entirely differently than the Gravemind. [/quote] Well, kind of. What the Reapers fear is that organic life will evolve into synthetic, one way or another. They fear that whatever species capable of such a transition, might decide to completely remove the concept of organic life, becoming the sole actor in the galaxy, which would ultimately stagnate life/progress. So they're almost identical to the Mantle; both strive towards a healthy level of organic divercity throughout the galaxy. [i] Living Time; "the joy of life's interaction with the Cosmos".[/i] Oh, and just to be clear, I never compared the Reapers with the Flood, I compared two concepts; organic vas synthetic, in ME and Halo. The concept behind the Gravemind/the Flood, if I've got it right, is that[i] Living Time[/i] only becomes possible if nothing whatsoever, is capable of disturbing the peace. The suggestion: a single species capable of diversity within itself, one that constantly evolves on its own terms. This would also be why Mendicant Bias was convinced; he saw truth/similarities to the Mantle, in the Prisoners words. This is however where my uncertainty begins. The Flood and the Precursors are supposedly the same, so why do their agendas differ? Why would the Precursors create vast amounts of organic species, only to introduce them to the Flood? This has to mean that my understanding of the Gravemind is wrong, right? Anyone care to clear things up?[/quote] There's been speculation ased on a line from Primordium that the Precursors split between the creators of the Flood, and the creators of Mankind/Forerunners. Primordial says that he is only the last of one kind of Precursor, and that the Forerunner's creators fled after beeing ruthlessly hunted. The Gravemind feels that order can only be achieved by total unity, and unity can only be achieved by the Flood assimilating all races. He does not, as next halo suggests, want to rule sentient life. He ONLY wishes for there to be peace which can only be achieved if all races share a consciousness. One interpretation is that the Graveminds aren't individuals, but more the collective will of everything it has assimilated. You still exist, but within the Mind. Just as the Reapers allegedly "preserve" races within themselves in an attempt to create order by assimilating the races as a Reaper. Otherwise, war, strife, chaos.
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    Citrus raptor

    Citrus raptor

    7/1/2012 10:28:50 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] im the next halo Reapers are about the tech level, maybe a bit higher than Forerunner. They wipe out sentient, basically all sentient life every 50k years. Reapers do not do the same exact plans as Gravemind. The Gravemind wants to dominate and rule all sentient life. Reapers already do that anyway. They destroy when things get out of hand. Because it's stated they wipe all life out every 50k years so they don't proceed technologically advanced and do something stupid. My ME lore isn't as precise, but the Reapers perform entirely differently than the Gravemind. [/quote] Well, kind of. What the Reapers fear is that organic life will evolve into synthetic, one way or another. They fear that whatever species capable of such a transition, might decide to completely remove the concept of organic life, becoming the sole actor in the galaxy, which would ultimately stagnate life/progress. So they're almost identical to the Mantle; both strive towards a healthy level of organic divercity throughout the galaxy. [i] Living Time; "the joy of life's interaction with the Cosmos".[/i] Oh, and just to be clear, I never compared the Reapers with the Flood, I compared two concepts; organic vas synthetic, in ME and Halo. The concept behind the Gravemind/the Flood, if I've got it right, is that[i] Living Time[/i] only becomes possible if nothing whatsoever, is capable of disturbing the peace. The suggestion: a single species capable of diversity within itself, one that constantly evolves on its own terms. This would also be why Mendicant Bias was convinced; he saw truth/similarities to the Mantle, in the Prisoners words. This is however where my uncertainty begins. The Flood and the Precursors are supposedly the same, so why do their agendas differ? Why would the Precursors create vast amounts of organic species, only to introduce them to the Flood? This has to mean that my understanding of the Gravemind is wrong, right? Anyone care to clear things up? [Edited on 07.01.2012 3:18 PM PDT]
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    im the next halo

    im the next halo

    7/1/2012 8:29:52 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka First of all, the [i]entire[/i] universe, is a lot larger than anything in the Halo lore is capable of affecting. Not even close. There has even been controversies surrounding the whole "gun pointed at the head of the universe" line, where it pretty much has been stated that it was an exaggeration from Marty's part. i.e [i]galaxy[/i] should suffice. Secondly, Mass Effect is about the battle between synthetic and organic beings. Halo has never been about that until possibly now. Previously, Halo has been about a strict mantle that propagates and controls organic diversity vs its antonym; a chaotic entity that strives for monotonous harmony.[/quote] If the reason you're talking about Mass Effect is OP's above statement, he's probably referring to the fact that the Reapers use the exact same rationale for doing what they do as the Gravemind: that organic diversity inevitably creates chaos, and only through assimilation can life be saved and truly evolve. Except where the Reapers are concerned assimilation=death. I'd also like to point out that the official description for Halo 4 says this Ancient Evil threatens the entire universe; do not underestimate the Precursors. I do not know if that description is also an exaggeration, but the Precursors' technology was mind boggling. Considering their core philosophical beliefs and how that extended to their technology, it wouldn't surprise me if we learned that the Precursors and the universe were synonomous in some way. It's already been strongly hinted at anyway.[/quote]Reapers are about the tech level, maybe a bit higher than Forerunner. They wipe out sentient, basically all sentient life every 50k years. Reapers do not do the same exact plans as Gravemind. The Gravemind wants to dominate and rule all sentient life. Reapers already do that anyway. They destroy when things get out of hand. Because it's stated they wipe all life out every 50k years so they don't proceed technologically advanced and do something stupid. My ME lore isn't as precise, but the Reapers perform entirely differently than the Gravemind.
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    im the next halo

    im the next halo

    7/1/2012 8:25:19 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] im the next halo You do have a point OP. The Forerunners and the Precursors probably have another Ark or potential system to fire all rings. Mendicant Bias was put in charge of all defensive forerunner systems, even the rings. My guess is he probably has another Ark out there for emergencies if Flood expanded.[/quote] there [i]were[/i] two Arks you know. The one we know was the Lesser Ark. The other was the much bigger Greater Ark, responsible for building Halos in their full size at 30,000 km in diameter, rather than 10,000. The Greater Ark was seen in Cryptum (presumably) and the mentioned in Primordium.[/quote]Yeah, I don't know so much about the Forerunner facts in Halo. I know more about the UNSC and Covenant facts. Primarily Spartans in general.
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