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6/29/2012 9:07:27 PM
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Our world has become so entitled.
People think that they deserve what other's have, simply 'because'. People think that they deserve the same education as another person, even when they've worked less and have chosen to not put the effort into attaining grants, scholarships, federal loans, and private loans (all of which are very accessible, anyway). People think that they deserve healthcare, even when they made bad educational decisions, bad career decisions, and just 'because'.
World, you need to realize something: You're not entitled to -blam!-. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSBFyZOhuKE]Watch this video.[/url] She explains exactly why you aren't entitled to things that negatively affect other people. Let me repeat that: YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE FROM OTHER PEOPLE.
You want to know what you should do if you want a good education? Go to a decent public school. Instead of living in the -blam!- ghetto, why don't you move your damn family into low-income in a suburban area? I know it's not that easy, but I do know of a multitude of families that live in low-income housing, in suburban areas. Nice suburban areas, might I add. So even while you or your parents may be unemployed, you can still get a decent public education.
Want a good higher education? Do good in public school. Apply for scholarships. Do well enough for grants. Take out a federal loan like every other student CAN do. Yes, all of you can do that. And do what other people do, too: take out loans with banks. Yes, YOU can do that, too.
Want better healthcare? Get a higher education that means something. Don't get a job in women studies, because there aren't jobs worth -blam!- with that degree. Go into engineering. Go into business. Go into law. Go into medicine. Those all have GREAT job opportunities, even with a fairly high unemployment rate. You'll get a well-paying job that can support not only yourself, but your family, and all their healthcare needs.
So in a concluding statement (and a tl;dr for those who can't read), take responsibility for your life. People don't owe you -blam!-.
EDIT: I should probably mention that I do support universal child healthcare. Children didn't do anything to be put into the situation they're in, so if they're in poverty, they do deserve healthcare.
[Edited on 06.29.2012 3:39 PM PDT]
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Are you calling me fat?
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One side of the debate has philosophers, attorneys, scholars and great thinkers... the other, a blonde teen chick on youtube. I'll side with the blonde on youtube.
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Agreed.
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Agreed OP. [Edited on 06.29.2012 1:09 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sir Charles People don't owe you -blam!-.[/quote]I think you'll find you owe me the minute it took me to read this thread back.
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I don't like Obama, but we all know he is going to win this election. Just hope that he doesn't -blam!- it up too much and in 2016 we can get someone who isn't completely anti American values.
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Hey, we don't need your opinion about the world, we already have enough people like you.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie One side of the debate has philosophers, attorneys, scholars and great thinkers... the other, a blonde teen chick on youtube. I'll side with the blonde on youtube.[/quote] She has a degree in political science, so that makes her equal with whatever philosophers you make speak of. Oh, and there are a helluva lot of attorneys that don't want to pay for other people's -blam!-.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sir Charles [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie One side of the debate has philosophers, attorneys, scholars and great thinkers... the other, a blonde teen chick on youtube. I'll side with the blonde on youtube.[/quote] She has a degree in political science, so that makes her equal with whatever philosophers you make speak of. Oh, and there are a helluva lot of attorneys that don't want to pay for other people's -blam!-.[/quote] ...and? What difference does that make? I have a degree in history and an MBA. I've made both historical and business threads on here that have some of you still disagreeing with me, even though you are dead wrong. She has a camera and a smart assed voice. So, what gives her any more creedence in this debate? The second she started on "Obamacare" I knew she was a right wing nutjob. That phrase was created to demonize something that when looked at as individual pieces is deemed needed, is viewed as bad when looked at whole. No one seems to know anything about the debate, and are relying on others to do the critical thinking for them. OP, why don't you pay attention to a bunch of sources, synthesize the data and form an opinion of your own, instead of parading around here with regurgitated thought like it was your own. [Edited on 06.29.2012 1:19 PM PDT]
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So you think there should be no rights?
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What's wrong with making education and healthcare a right? There's nothing bad that can come from a healthy, educated society.
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I can speak from experience that getting any kind of scholarship is highly impractical, and taking out a student loan with a bank is probably one of the worst decisions you could ever make. But even then, let's all be doctors, lawyers, and bankers! That'll sure make for some happy-ass people and a practical society, even for those who have absolutely zero interest or drive to succeed in those things!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sir Charles People think that they deserve what other's have, simply 'because'. People think that they deserve the same education as another person, even when they've worked less and have chosen to not put the effort into attaining grants, scholarships, federal loans, and private loans (all of which are very accessible, anyway). [/quote]Really!? Please tell me a location or website that has ever single scholarship/grant/ etc listed? Because even my High School failed at this attempt three years ago when I was a senior to show me.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sir Charles YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE FROM OTHER PEOPLE. [/quote] It's this kind of "every man for himself" mentality that is hurting us. Compassion for the people you share this world with will go much farther than only looking out for yourself.
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Well that quickly went from a thread about entitlement to a thread about telling people to do good in school. Teh puma is confus face.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MadMax888 What's wrong with making education and healthcare a right? There's nothing bad that can come from a healthy, educated society.[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MadMax888 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sir Charles YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE FROM OTHER PEOPLE. [/quote] It's this kind of "every man for himself" mentality that is hurting us. Compassion for the people you share this world with will go much farther than only looking out for yourself.[/quote] Congrats, you win.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MadMax888 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sir Charles YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE FROM OTHER PEOPLE. [/quote] It's this kind of "every man for himself" mentality that is hurting us. Compassion for the people you share this world with will go much farther than only looking out for yourself.[/quote] Yes, but greed kinda screws compassion 90% of the time. Yes that was a made up percentage.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lil Taco 117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MadMax888 What's wrong with making education and healthcare a right? There's nothing bad that can come from a healthy, educated society.[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MadMax888 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sir Charles YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE FROM OTHER PEOPLE. [/quote] It's this kind of "every man for himself" mentality that is hurting us. Compassion for the people you share this world with will go much farther than only looking out for yourself.[/quote] Congrats, you win.[/quote] I feel like it's a pretty logical position to hold. I get called a crazy commie/socialist all the time because I would gladly pay higher taxes if it meant everyone received decent education and healthcare. Crazy idea, I know...
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I can totally agree that this world.. or at least in American, there is a big presence of "Every man for himself." Mentality. I even see this in families and broken families weekly. If you look back maybe 5-10 years ago, there was much more compassion in the world.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wonderbread [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MadMax888 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sir Charles YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE FROM OTHER PEOPLE. [/quote] It's this kind of "every man for himself" mentality that is hurting us. Compassion for the people you share this world with will go much farther than only looking out for yourself.[/quote] Yes, but greed kinda screws compassion 90% of the time. Yes that was a made up percentage.[/quote] You know, about 67% of all made-up statistics are off by a margin of 22.3% in either direction. It really make you think, doesn't it?
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TL;DR
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Problem is that kids cannot choose their own schools, force their parents to get a job, or choose what funding is available to themselves. The things you talk about here just aren't optional for the people we most worry about. No one is asking that everyone gets an equal Harvard education. But, kids that do not get the right to choose their living conditions for themselves should certainly have an equal opportunity to earn their place at Harvard. Entitlement is when they demand the same result, what you are decrying is people demanding equal opportunity to earn a result. Those are two vastly different things.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Forgewolf I can totally agree that this world.. or at least in American, there is a big presence of "Every man for himself." Mentality. I even see this in families and broken families weekly. If you look back maybe 5-10 years ago, there was much more compassion in the world.[/quote] Teh doesn't know where you get the idea that there was more compassion 10 years ago. 10 Years ago we were about to blow the middle east into space. -___-
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Oh look another middle class white boy who's had every opportunity handed to him on a platter. You think people enjoy living in the ghetto? You think they refuse to leave? You're just a selfish ranting moron who's never been exposed to the reality beyond your personal lifestyle. Try having a father in prison and a traumatized mother working two jobs just to support her children and then tell me if success on your own is so easy. That moving out of the ghetto means simply walking away.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xxiNoSc0p3dJfKx Oh look another middle class white boy who's had every opportunity handed to him on a platter. You think people enjoy living in the ghetto? You think they refuse to leave? You're just a selfish ranting moron who's never been exposed to the reality beyond your personal lifestyle. Try having a father in prison and a traumatized mother working two jobs just to support her children and then tell me if success on your own is so easy. That moving out of the ghetto means simply walking away. [/quote] It's about to get real up in heeyah!
