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5/27/2012 1:09:11 AM
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Bungie Says that Halo 2 is the Worst Halo Game ...
Do you agree with this?
I find I actually agree with them. They had so many ideas for Halo 2 but Microsoft had an early deadline and most of the stuff Bungie wanted to add in didn't get added in.
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I agree that their opinion can be reasonable. Nonetheless, I will always maintain my opinion that reach as the worst Halo game. Bungie made games that they wanted to play, not necessarily what the community wanted. I wanted 85% return to CE in Reach. Instead, it's more like 15% CE. [Edited on 05.26.2012 7:03 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheSpiderChief Do you agree with this?[/quote]absolutely not! then again nostalgia has a strong influence on our opinions
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From a development standpoint, the game was absolute hell. It had more cut content than content that made it to release, big features (Like Saved Films) were missing, loads of gameplay mechanics were cut, weapons/vehicles were cut, etc. It wasn't even half the game they wanted to make so it was an enormous disappointment to them. One of the largest, and most noticeable, pieces of content they cut was the story. They lopped off the entire third act of the game because of budget/time restraints. Halo 2 is essentially an unfinished game that was released to the public. While many of you were too young to notice, people who were old enough instantly realized the game had no real ending. It just had a cliffhanger that lead to Halo 3 which absolutely pissed most people off. It wasn't by design and Bungie absolutely regrets that happening. In the end, while many people do find it a great game with loads of fun (Myself included), Bungie, as the developer, see it as a great heap of lost potential. They see it as an unfinished game that could have been [i]much[/i] more than what it was if they wouldn't have let their ambition get in the way. It's nothing about how "bad" the game is; it's more about what the game was [i]supposed[/i] to be and how it failed to be that.
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Even with all the cut content, Halo 2 is still my favorite of all the Halos. Wish it was still on xbl :( Xbc just isent the same.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dr Syx weapons/vehicles were cut[/quote]I'm actually glad the Mongoose wasn't included. The beta version was apparently horrific.
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In my opinion Halo 2 is the Best Bungie made. Every game since Halo 2 kept getting complexity it didn't need like weapons, power tools, reticle bloom and so on, instead of focusing on making a dynamic campaign. It was obvious the Call of Duty series had a lot of influence on Halo:Reach, and not in a good way. The multiplayer maps got bigger and bigger maps, and not as fast paced. There might have been a lot of content cut from Halo 2, content that could have been nice to have. And still, me and most of my friend believe Halo 2 was the best they created. Reach being the worst, you really got the feeling that Bungie was tired of making Halo.
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Well then Bungie are stupid for letting all the kids butthurt about the cliffhanger ending get to them. If it wasn't for all these -blam!-s then Halo 2 might be appreciated more, their negativity has spread even to the game developers themselves. I only judge games on single player, and Halo 2 is by far the best Halo IMO and th best shooter I've ever played. The story was brilliant, and all these butthurt kids should give it a chance after finding out what happened in Halo 3. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they were so unreasonable as to give up on Halo and never get any more games because of it. [Edited on 05.27.2012 1:08 AM PDT]
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Personally, I thought Halo 2 was the best competetive Halo. That's the main thing I enjoy about Halo, so from my point of view, it's the best. I undertsand Bungie's views though.
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If Bungie actually says 2 is the worst, they haven't spent much time on Reach. Dual wielding, boarding, Ghost boost, vehicle damage, reliable grenade jumping, exploration, weapon swapping, formidable Brutes, long levels...middle child gives so much...yet no one appreciates...
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And they said this where?
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Haha, lolBungie. Halo 2 is single handedly the greatest game this world has ever seen. I'm glad they didn't have more time than they did to add anything else or more. Their utterly idiotic decisions regarding Halo 3 and Reach they made explains quite fairly enough.
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Halo 2 is the only game that can and has keep me entertained forever. I remember being so excited for release, spending hours and hours playing customs with friends, and the campaign was absoulutely awesome. I still have a great time playing this game.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nesteggfailure If Bungie actually says 2 is the worst, they haven't spent much time on Reach. Dual wielding, boarding, Ghost boost, vehicle damage, reliable grenade jumping, exploration, weapon swapping, formidable Brutes, long levels...middle child gives so much...yet no one appreciates... [/quote]Reach was the ultimate middle finger from Bungie. Grenade jumps were crippled, dual wielding was only given to enemies (and they were already op, god...), boost was overused for most Covie vehicles (at least in H3, not every Covie vehicle had boost. The Prowler sucked but it had good traction), vehicles were made out of paper, exploration was killed thanks to 10 second countdowns, weapon swapping was so slow, the Brutes were even more uninteresting than they were in H3 and H2, the levels were short or only long because of bs scripting and cinematics. And of course, every AI lacks empathy, and I'm not just talking about their lack of English. The AI will make stupid mistakes or bs actions and get away with it every time. [b]Reach killed immersion.[/b] H2 had far better immersion despite the decreased fov and draw distance.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] gruntyII7 And they said this where?[/quote]It's been said many different times by people from Bungie that it was their most disappointing moment. They felt the game was unfinished and its even referred to as a "three act tragedy" in the "O Brave New World" ViDoc. All of you who are hating on Bungie for this are completely ignorant to the development side of things. All you see is a game you bought, played and enjoyed. You never had to go through the stress and birth ideas that never made it into the game. You never had to go through butchering your original story because of time restraints and, paraphrasing Jason Jones, having the devil himself telling you that you were never going to ship the complete game. Development side and consumer side are two [i]very[/i] different things and many Bungie employees that were around for Halo 2 believe it to be an insane disappoint on their side of things. You have absolutely no right to judge them for feeling that way because you have absolutely no idea what it was like for them. [Edited on 05.30.2012 4:41 PM PDT]
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Although it's probably the nostalgia and the fact that it was my first online console experience, I think that Halo 2 had the best MP of them all.
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When you look at the cut content, Halo 2 is terribly small. If they made a H2A, it should be titled "Halo 2: Return" or something, and it must feature all the cut content. That's just me however :D
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Multijirachi If they made a H2A, it should be titled "Halo 2: Return"[/quote]can't be serious lol
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Even if I agree it's not that Halo 2 is bad. I personally think all this debate about what is a good game and isn't is unfair. None of us could ever make any of these games. They are all good for their time at the very least. Halo 1, 2, and 3 were all bigger than the last. It's only Reach that really didn't sell up to par, but there was a lot of experimentation and they more or less were just trying to focus on their new project after independence.
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Halo 3 is my favorite. Even if I don't like halo 2 I still love Bungie for without Halo 2 there would be no Halo 3.
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Third post I know. Just wanted to say that Halo 3 had cut content as well. First blind skull was suppose to be assassins skull, an additional level + 15th skull called Guardian Forrest was cut. Halo 2 seemed most rushed. What I liked about Halo 2 is that DLC became free after like a month. What was good about Halo 3 is that they made the DLC mandatory. Reach didn't do either of those things and made DLC a complete waste of money.
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Halo 2 is still the best.
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Halo 2 was a corporal disaster, but a good game nevertheless. Watch the "Making of Halo 2" vidoc for the limited edition. Explains their view of Halo 2 pretty well to this point.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sliding Ghost [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nesteggfailure If Bungie actually says 2 is the worst, they haven't spent much time on Reach. Dual wielding, boarding, Ghost boost, vehicle damage, reliable grenade jumping, exploration, weapon swapping, formidable Brutes, long levels...middle child gives so much...yet no one appreciates... [/quote]Reach was the ultimate middle finger from Bungie. [/quote] Not for me, I like new things. Granted, they didn't work well, like, at all. But I can appreciate innovation so much, simply playing something different can be a lot of fun.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] InvasionImminent [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sliding Ghost [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nesteggfailure If Bungie actually says 2 is the worst, they haven't spent much time on Reach. Dual wielding, boarding, Ghost boost, vehicle damage, reliable grenade jumping, exploration, weapon swapping, formidable Brutes, long levels...middle child gives so much...yet no one appreciates... [/quote]Reach was the ultimate middle finger from Bungie. [/quote] Not for me, I like new things. Granted, they didn't work well, like, at all. But I can appreciate innovation so much, simply playing something different can be a lot of fun.[/quote] I don't really comprehend what 'didn't work.' To me it was all triple-post-tacular. If you're slick enough, you can even board the Delta Halo Wraiths.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shortD42 is aBK without Halo 2 there would be no Halo 3. [/quote]at least there's one thing you like about it lol
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I think Reach was but yeah it's thier opinion.
