[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Original Poster I thought Halo 3's ending was absolutely the most perfect ending in the history of science fiction altogether. And I've read/played/watched quite a bit of sci fi in my time. Say what you will about the rest of the game's story, IMO the ending was perfect.[/quote] Good for you. I am still sticking by my views however, as they actually have solid facts backing them up.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MlatxLP-xs]I think this sums it up well enough from a narrative perspective,[/url] it goes against genre, character focus, central conflict and most of all narrative coherence. However there are literally dozens upon dozens of things wrong with the ending that I'm sure the entire thread has already discussed. Do I want a new ending? No, the damage has already been done and I'm done with Bioware and Mass Effect.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Pesticide Bioware already said they're appeasing the idiots who complained with a free DLC this summer.[/quote] Translation: Anyone who dislikes the ending is an idiot.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ins3ktz [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonOfTheShire [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ins3ktz AND ABOVE ALL US OFFLINE PLAYERS CAN'T GET THE PERFECT ENDING WHAT THE -blam!- BIOWARE/EA YOU BUNCH OF NUTSACKS![/quote] You can't? Why not? And why is that the worst thing? And what perfect ending?[/quote] C) Touche.[/quote] I laughed my ass off...

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonOfTheShire [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ins3ktz AND ABOVE ALL US OFFLINE PLAYERS CAN'T GET THE PERFECT ENDING WHAT THE -blam!- BIOWARE/EA YOU BUNCH OF NUTSACKS![/quote] You can't? Why not? And why is that the worst thing? And what perfect ending?[/quote] A) You have to play multiplayer otherwise it's ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to get your EMS 4000+. B) It's the worst thing because many of us (myself included) have been with the franchise from the beginning, and now we're denied the full experience of the SP? C) Touche.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ins3ktz AND ABOVE ALL US OFFLINE PLAYERS CAN'T GET THE PERFECT ENDING WHAT THE -blam!- BIOWARE/EA YOU BUNCH OF NUTSACKS![/quote] You can't? Why not? And why is that the worst thing? And what perfect ending?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ICanHazRecon911 Either than the fact that your squad on the Normandy gets stranded on a random planet and that the Mass Relays are destroyed, but I don't believe that those are legitimate reasons to call the whole ending awful. Discuss the ending.[/quote] This is the reason why it was so bad... It never happened. It wasn't the real ending. Ok?

^ I thought Halo 3's ending was absolutely the most perfect ending in the history of science fiction altogether. And I've read/played/watched quite a bit of sci fi in my time. Say what you will about the rest of the game's story, IMO the ending was perfect. -Failed to provide any closure whatsoever -Thematically different from the rest of the series (The games always end off in triumph after overcoming impossible odds, and invoke emotion through reflection on previous events such as character deaths etc. ME3 decides to invoke emotion by creating the most depressing ending possible and still tries REALLY hard to make the player feel like they've saved the galaxy) -No variation (Especially retarded after Bioware promised AND ABOVE ALL US OFFLINE PLAYERS CAN'T GET THE PERFECT ENDING WHAT THE -blam!- BIOWARE/EA YOU BUNCH OF NUTSACKS! [Edited on 05.22.2012 3:58 PM PDT]

Sure was better than what we got with Halo 3. ZOMG! ANOZER CLIFFHANGER! YAYZ! MOAR HALO! Tsk tsk tsk... Besides, it isn't BioWare's fault. If it wasn't for the megalithic international whore EA critically imposed deadline on the game they would've had more time. In fact, EA is responsible for destroying more than just one game. [url]http://www.slashgear.com/minecraft-developer-says-ea-is-methodically-destroying-gaming-07226515/[/url] Also, an interesting article on EA's dealings with Microsoft. [url]http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/microsoft-quashes-electronic-arts-deal-chatter/[/url] From the article: [quote]Microsoft is latest company to be named as a potential bidder for Electronic Arts, which is valued at around $6.5 billion.[/quote] Could it be possible that EA methodically destroyed Mass Effect 3 to make room for Microsoft's Cash Cow Halo 4? I think it is beyond possible, its highly probable. [Edited on 05.22.2012 3:52 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [/quote]Very well said.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Oh my god. Are you still crying about that ending? Its a video game, get over it. There are more important things in life than the ending of a damned video game. And for anyone saying that the upcoming DLC proves that Bioware is admitting any wrong doing, you are sorely mistaken. The DLC basically says that Bioware is shocked that we are too stupid to understand their ending, so now they are going to explain it too us, using smaller words.[/quote] You are more butt hurt than the fans, all you do in every ME3 thread is defend it. [Edited on 05.22.2012 2:22 AM PDT]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MlatxLP-xs&list=FLOhzfAx0umFBgmKqqCwFiAA&index=51&feature=plpp_video] I will just leave this here [/url]

I was fine with the ending other than Joker chickening out for some reason and nothing being explained. You make the biggest decision of the trilogy but don't get to see much of it's effect. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X 3. Circular Logic - The Reapers (Synthetics) don't want Organics to be killed by Synthetics, so Synthetics (Reapers) kill Organics so Organics aren't killed by Synthetics ?[/quote] I guess that can be a reason, but Reapers aren't really synthetics are they. I have faith Bioware will clear things up with the extended cut.

The last half hour makes no sense and once you meet the Catalyst absolutely everything falls apart in terms of the themes of the Mass Effect series. 3 games of the same themes are changed IN THE LAST 5 MINUTES... The chief principle of Mass Effect was that you make your own choices following the themes of self-determination and overcoming racial boundaries. This is completely shat on in the ending because EVERY option is counter-intuitive to what you spent 3 games building up to. Destroy: You kill the geth after spending a sizeable portion of ME2 and ME3 learning about their past and even having the chance to make them sentient, ultimately proving the Reapers wrong - organics and synthetics CAN co-exist but we're forced to abandon this because some starchild we've never even seen before tells us to. We also kill EDI after 2 games of building up her character to the point where she pretty much becomes a true human, this whole ending is one giant middle-finger to the player who spent 5 years making all these choices only for them to amount to sweet -blam!- all in the end (except there's no middle finger big enough that I can point back at Bioware for this...). Control: This is why we spent ALL of ME3 fighting against the Illusive Man, he wants to control the Reapers but our goal from the start has been to destroy them. How can Shepard control the Reapers if he's dead? In this ending, does Shepard replace the original Catalyst, meaning only his physical body dies? This is the only option that leaves the Citadel intact (albeit with its arms fully closed), so if Shepard's consciousness does survive as the new Catalyst, perhaps he'll reopen the Citadel later and assist the various species now stranded in the Sol System in the construction of a new mass relays... Oh wait, we're not told... Synthesis: This is just -blam!- stupid. Not only did we spend ALL of ME1 fighting against Saren over this, it's a completely stupid option and anyone who thought it was a good choice or qualified as the 'best' ending is a fool. How does this turn organics into machines? It's space magic, we're not given any explanation into how this works. Here's 2 lines from ME2 that immediately invalidate this as an option: 1) "Evolution cannot be halted, progress cannot be stopped!" ~ Harbinger. Yes, Harbinger said this and it's directly contradicted by the Catalyst by saying that synthesis is the final stage of organic life. No. You combine organic DNA with this Reaper tech you get Husks, the Reapers win - this brings me to my next quote... 2) "No soul - replaced by tech!" ~ Mordin analysing the effects the Reapers had on the Collectors. Collectors were a hybrid of synthetic and organic framework and what were they? Mindless thrills under Harbinger's command - choose synthesis and the Reapers just leave. Once again, like control, the Reapers win. Another problem is that there's no conclusive epilogue, you're just left hanging as to what happens to everyone. Your crew (which we have no idea why they were going through a mass relay) crash lands on a random planet. With no Mass relays, and the ship broken they're stuck there. Because they need different foods Either Tali and Garrus would die, or only the two of them would survive. And then there's the matter of all the combined galactic fleets STUCK IN THE SOL SYSTEM. They just leave us hanging. The galaxy, while still alive, most individuals are pretty much screwed. They could have AT LEAST done what they did in Dragon Age: Origins and have text explain what happens to everyone. For further reading, I direct you to [url=http://docs.google.com/document/d/1QT4IUepvrU1pfv_B95oQj0H84DlCTUmzQ_uQh1voTUs/mobilebasic?pli=1]this google document[/url] explaining why nothing made sense and how you were screwed over. You know there's something that has to be wrong when that guy can type out the equivalent of about 15/20 pages of a Word document out about this 1 topic. [Edited on 05.22.2012 1:10 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X So. Many. Lies.[/quote] And, big surprise. Charlie is ignoring my refutation.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xSapphire [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie The difference is that no one asked Da Vinci to repaint the Mona Lisa because they thought they had been promised a better painting.[/quote] [url=http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/615759-mass-effect-3/62307752]Except Bioware DID promise a better ending.[/url] "Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens." "You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people." "Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some closure, a great ending. I think they're going to get that." "It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them." In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's plot, including a negative ending in which the Reapers win. Gamble simply said, "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes". "Of course you don't have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you'll still get all the same endings and same information, it's just a totally different way of playing" "We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is." [/quote]So. Many. Lies.

16 endings which all = the same ending just different colors.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie The difference is that no one asked Da Vinci to repaint the Mona Lisa because they thought they had been promised a better painting.[/quote] [url=http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/615759-mass-effect-3/62307752]Except Bioware DID promise a better ending.[/url] "Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens." "You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people." "Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some closure, a great ending. I think they're going to get that." "It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them." In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's plot, including a negative ending in which the Reapers win. Gamble simply said, "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes". "Of course you don't have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you'll still get all the same endings and same information, it's just a totally different way of playing" "We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is."

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Pesticide [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Pesticide [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Pesticide [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X Yeah that's the brief summary, and in that short summary the entire ending of ME3 looks like absolute crap in comparison.[/quote] I like the thought of it, but it would seem a little out of the blue. It was mentioned only once or twice during the mission you get Tali, and I doubt anyone gave it a second thought.[/quote]Dark Energy powers the entire Mass Effect universe, it powers Biotics, your guns, all the ships, even the Mass Relays. It's by no means "in the background".[/quote] Are you sure? Maybe I'm thinking of something else then. [/quote]Pretty sure, you probably are thinking of something else. But yeah that's what so great about that story, the fact that it's all centered on something major, something that's necessary for galactic society to live, yet it's also the cause of it's future destruction.[/quote] Finding out the Reapers made the Mass Relays blew my mind in Mass Effect 1. [/quote]Finding out the reason for their existence (their REAL existence, since the ME3 ending is non-canon to me) blew my mind almost as much as when I read Halo Cryptum. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Oh my god. Are you still crying about that ending? Its a video game, get over it. There are more important things in life than the ending of a damned video game.[/quote]Hey I'm just gonna go take a piss on the freshly completely Mona Lisa, get over it, it's just a painting. There are more important things in life than a bunch of damned strokes of paint on a canvas. Believe it or not video games are ART, and when someone pisses on art, it's going to end badly for that person.[/quote] The difference is that no one asked Da Vinci to repaint the Mona Lisa because they thought they had been promised a better painting.[/quote]I assume he would have repainted it if asked after someone pissed all over it. That or it would be considered a Picasso piece. [Edited on 05.21.2012 11:56 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Oh my god. Are you still crying about that ending? Its a video game, get over it. There are more important things in life than the ending of a damned video game.[/quote]Hey I'm just gonna go take a piss on the freshly completely Mona Lisa, get over it, it's just a painting. There are more important things in life than a bunch of damned strokes of paint on a canvas. Believe it or not video games are ART, and when someone pisses on art, it's going to end badly for that person.[/quote] The difference is that no one asked Da Vinci to repaint the Mona Lisa because they thought they had been promised a better painting.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Pesticide [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Pesticide [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X Yeah that's the brief summary, and in that short summary the entire ending of ME3 looks like absolute crap in comparison.[/quote] I like the thought of it, but it would seem a little out of the blue. It was mentioned only once or twice during the mission you get Tali, and I doubt anyone gave it a second thought.[/quote]Dark Energy powers the entire Mass Effect universe, it powers Biotics, your guns, all the ships, even the Mass Relays. It's by no means "in the background".[/quote] Are you sure? Maybe I'm thinking of something else then. [/quote]Pretty sure, you probably are thinking of something else. But yeah that's what so great about that story, the fact that it's all centered on something major, something that's necessary for galactic society to live, yet it's also the cause of it's future destruction.[/quote] Finding out the Reapers made the Mass Relays blew my mind in Mass Effect 1.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Pesticide [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Pesticide [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X Yeah that's the brief summary, and in that short summary the entire ending of ME3 looks like absolute crap in comparison.[/quote] I like the thought of it, but it would seem a little out of the blue. It was mentioned only once or twice during the mission you get Tali, and I doubt anyone gave it a second thought.[/quote]Dark Energy powers the entire Mass Effect universe, it powers Biotics, your guns, all the ships, even the Mass Relays. It's by no means "in the background".[/quote] Are you sure? Maybe I'm thinking of something else then. [/quote]Pretty sure, you probably are thinking of something else. But yeah that's what so great about that story, the fact that it's all centered on something major, something that's necessary for galactic society to live, yet it's also the cause of it's future destruction.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Oh my god. Are you still crying about that ending? Its a video game, get over it. There are more important things in life than the ending of a damned video game.[/quote]Hey I'm just gonna go take a piss on the freshly completely Mona Lisa, get over it, it's just a painting. There are more important things in life than a bunch of damned strokes of paint on a canvas. Believe it or not video games are ART, and when someone pisses on art, it's going to end badly for that person.

I really never gave a damn. People always have something to complain about. Hate the ending so much? Quit playing the game.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Pesticide [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X Yeah that's the brief summary, and in that short summary the entire ending of ME3 looks like absolute crap in comparison.[/quote] I like the thought of it, but it would seem a little out of the blue. It was mentioned only once or twice during the mission you get Tali, and I doubt anyone gave it a second thought.[/quote]Dark Energy powers the entire Mass Effect universe, it powers Biotics, your guns, all the ships, even the Mass Relays. It's by no means "in the background".[/quote] Are you sure? Maybe I'm thinking of something else then.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Pesticide [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X Delta Xero X Yeah that's the brief summary, and in that short summary the entire ending of ME3 looks like absolute crap in comparison.[/quote] I like the thought of it, but it would seem a little out of the blue. It was mentioned only once or twice during the mission you get Tali, and I doubt anyone gave it a second thought.[/quote]Dark Energy powers the entire Mass Effect universe, it powers Biotics, your guns, all the ships, even the Mass Relays. It's by no means "in the background".