I say 'Armorless' becase, honestly, Samus' armor is waaay more advanced and powerful than John's. But, without it, she might as well be a near-Spartan.
So who wins in hand--hand combat, no rules, no armor?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rayzor1995 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 Chief accidentally killed 3 ODST's without his armor once, after they tried to pick a fight with him. I'd say he'd win, no contest. [/quote]Chief may have reach, but Samus has flexibility.[/quote] After 9 rounds they called it a draw. They held a tiebreaker in her quarters. He had reeach, but she had flexibility.
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Easily Chief. No Contest. Without armor she is doomed.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 Chief accidentally killed 3 ODST's without his armor once, after they tried to pick a fight with him. I'd say he'd win, no contest. [/quote]Chief may have reach, but Samus has flexibility.
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The Chief of course!
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That depends... Zero Mission zero suit Samus or SSB: Brawl zero suit Samus? If it's brawl, then Chief is screwed. EDIT: You also forget that Samus is no pushover outside of her armor, she trained as a child, is very athletic, and had her DNA modified in order to wear a power suit. [Edited on 06.02.2012 7:45 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Haloroach [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Astinous [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TAxxOUTBR3AKxx John's suit gives him super strength, durability, etc. Outside the armor, John is just a normal human who doesn't do anything extraordinary. [/quote] John must have punched you in the brain for you to be this stupid.[/quote] His skull wouldn't exist if he did[/quote] I don't think it does.
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eggsalad | Fabled Legendary Member Armourless brawl? Is that what kids call it these days? LOL [Edited on 06.02.2012 7:43 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Baph117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xvise66 The Chief has reach, but uh.. Samus has flexibility. [/quote][/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Astinous [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TAxxOUTBR3AKxx John's suit gives him super strength, durability, etc. Outside the armor, John is just a normal human who doesn't do anything extraordinary. [/quote] John must have punched you in the brain for you to be this stupid.[/quote] His skull wouldn't exist if he did
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TAxxOUTBR3AKxx John's suit gives him super strength, durability, etc. Outside the armor, John is just a normal human who doesn't do anything extraordinary. [/quote] John must have punched you in the brain for you to be this stupid.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TAxxOUTBR3AKxx John's suit gives him super strength, durability, etc. Outside the armor, John is just a normal human who doesn't do anything extraordinary. [/quote] So an ordinary human teen can accidentally kill three other highly trained military servicemen without trying?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TAxxOUTBR3AKxx Samus is physically stronger than John. Her suit only was built for her to physically live on Zebes (due to the environment) when her parents were killed. Upgrades only augment the suit's abilities such as weapons. They don't alter her physical abilities at all. John's suit gives him super strength, durability, etc. Outside the armor, John is just a normal human who doesn't do anything extraordinary. Samus wins. Big time.[/quote] When I see a normal human with bullet proof bones, a normal human put dents in military grade armor with his bare fists, or a normal human send a heavy exosuit flying several meters with a punch, then I'll agree John is a normal human. [Edited on 06.02.2012 6:46 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TAxxOUTBR3AKxx Samus is physically stronger than John. Her suit only was built for her to physically live on Zebes (due to the environment) when her parents were killed. Upgrades only augment the suit's abilities such as weapons. They don't alter her physical abilities at all. John's suit gives him super strength, durability, etc. Outside the armor, John is just a normal human who doesn't do anything extraordinary. Samus wins. Big time.[/quote] I think you have it a little wrong. Samus was altered with Chozo DNA and [i]that[/i] made her immune to many alien environments. She is still super human without her suit, but her suit does giver her minor enhancements to strength and agility. The MJOLNIR armor [i]does[/i] enhance John's abilities, but he is still incredibly strong, fast, and perceptive without his armor. [Edited on 06.02.2012 6:41 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TAxxOUTBR3AKxx Samus is physically stronger than John. Her suit only was built for her to physically live on Zebes (due to the environment) when her parents were killed. Upgrades only augment the suit's abilities such as weapons. They don't alter her physical abilities at all. John's suit gives him super strength, durability, etc. Outside the armor, John is just a normal human who doesn't do anything extraordinary. Samus wins. Big time.[/quote] John (and the other Spartans) is by no means a "normal human" outside the armor. He was biologically augmented. Even without his armor, he is still physically superior to normal humans. The suit only further enhances the Spartan augmentations.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TAxxOUTBR3AKxx Samus is physically stronger than John. Her suit only was built for her to physically live on Zebes (due to the environment) when her parents were killed. Upgrades only augment the suit's abilities such as weapons. They don't alter her physical abilities at all. [b]John's suit gives him super strength, durability, etc. Outside the armor, John is just a normal human who doesn't do anything extraordinary.[/b] Samus wins. Big time.[/quote] Are you joking? Spartan-II's were genetically enhanced to be much stronger than the average man. Even without MJOLNIR, they're quite the force to be reckoned with. [Edited on 06.02.2012 6:36 PM PDT]
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Chief accidentally killed 3 ODST's without his armor once, after they tried to pick a fight with him. I'd say he'd win, no contest.
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Samus is physically stronger than John. Her suit only was built for her to physically live on Zebes (due to the environment) when her parents were killed. Upgrades only augment the suit's abilities such as weapons. They don't alter her physical abilities at all. John's suit gives him super strength, durability, etc. Outside the armor, John is just a normal human who doesn't do anything extraordinary. Samus wins. Big time.
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It's quite obvious many people are posting with very little actual knowledge of Samus. However, even with that said, I don't see one having a decisive edge over the other. Interestingly, they both have somewhat similar pasts. Samus was orphaned and adopted by Chozo who immediately biologically enhanced and trained her to be a warrior from age three. John was abducted by the UNSC who biologically enhanced and trained him to be a warrior from age six. They have both performed insane, nearly impossible feats. They are both super strong, super agile, and super sensory, but not necessarily equal in all enhancements. Much of the uncertainty stems from Samus's vaguely described attributes. John has been intricately "fleshed out" in his cannon, but Samus hasn't received quite the same treatment, which leaves a lot unknown about her nature. We know enough about her suit to know that she'd be unstoppable with it--but without? I don't know. It seems very close to me. [Edited on 06.02.2012 6:40 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Loktar OGar Also, [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ThundaCat [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Astinous [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ThundaCat [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lego munkeee Not even a challenge, Samus.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote] Nope.
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Also, [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ThundaCat [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Astinous [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ThundaCat [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lego munkeee Not even a challenge, Samus.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ThundaCat [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Astinous [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ThundaCat [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lego munkeee Not even a challenge, Samus.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote] NOPE.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Astinous [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ThundaCat [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lego munkeee Not even a challenge, Samus.[/quote][/quote][/quote]
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Yes Samus without her Armor... :)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ThundaCat [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lego munkeee Not even a challenge, Samus.[/quote][/quote] Nope.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lego munkeee Not even a challenge, Samus.[/quote]