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4/14/2012 10:51:57 AM
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Three things that you want from Halo 2 to be in Halo 4
Topic: What are three things you would want from Halo 2 to return in Halo 4?
[i]TL;DR In Halo 4, I would like to see dual wielding, a return to the clan system, and a similar skill system to Halo 2.[/i]
[b]1. Skill system:[/b]
I think the slow system Halo 2 implemented was more reflective of skill than Halo 3. The problem with level jumping as seen in Halo 3 is something that lowered the visible skill gap and created a bunching from ranks 40-45. However, I would prefer high ranks from 50 down to be denoted by their skill number rather than emblems. Also, a return to the exp bar would be beneficial because it allowed for a player to know where they stood as far as leveling up/down.
[b]2. Clans[/b]:
I think that Clans should be brought back, and added with its own unique ranking system. Perhaps you could choose the best four players to represent your clan and then the skill level of the rest of your clan would be averaged. Your top players as well as the average for the rest of the clan would then aggregate to an overall rating that determines your clan's rank.
[b]3. Dual wielding*:[/b]
*The reason I originally removed this was because I think they already confirmed no dual wielding. I was not a big fan of it in multiplayer, but it would be fun as an option during campaign.
[Edited on 04.22.2012 5:45 PM PDT]
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The storytelling should be as good as it was in Halo 2 It should have brutes and some sort of civil war
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it should definetly have the dual weilding from halo 2 not halo 3 and the pistol model from h2 cause it actually looks like a pistol
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In terms of a clan system, I'd like to see a server browser in the game. I've never felt right being in a clan where the only way to play is to make arranged game nights. Always felt natural to just have a paid dedicated server up 24/7 where people could go as they pleased. As for things I'd like to see return from Halo 2, here it is: [quote][b]Clans[/b]: This one is obvious. Leads to great community development. I've always loved clan battles. It would be nice to see this sort of thing return. Specifically with a server browser as I mentioned before. [b]Ranking System[/b]: Maybe not exactly like Halo 2's... Halo 2's ranking system had its flaws but I'd like to see some form of a ranking system that has a top rank hardly [i]anyone[/i] ever sees. Something even some professional players end up not getting. I never felt having a 50 in Halo 3 would have been special when I knew so many people who had one. [b]Hitscan Battle Rifle[/b]: While I do prefer projectile based for PC games, on console I prefer hitscan. Aim assist gets in the way with bullet leading and I hate it. We've already heard this is going to happen so no need in wishing for it. :D[/quote] [Edited on 04.14.2012 8:37 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dr Syx [b]Ranking System[/b]: Maybe not exactly like Halo 2's... Halo 2's ranking system had its flaws but I'd like to see some form of a ranking system that has a top rank hardly [i]anyone[/i] ever sees. Something even some professional players end up not getting. I never felt having a 50 in Halo 3 would have been special when I knew so many people who had one.[/quote] I'm going to try to do this without insulting you. There were almost 25 million gamertags registered playing Halo 3 before Bnet shut off stat tracking. There really weren't many bad 50s, and I would believe those are players who may have bought their account. I don't think you should try to minimize 50s when you haven't gotten to the rank. Plain and simple. All my friends who are 50s would destroy those who are not unless they are playing social and just goofing around. I was going to leave clips here showing why my 50 >>>>>>>>>>>>> your 41, but I'm going to make a montage instead because last time I posted clips someone tried stealing it. [Edited on 04.14.2012 1:55 PM PDT]
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[quote] [b]Two stories[/b]: I loved playing as the Arbiter, but also the chief. I want to see something like this in Halo 4 because it reflects better story telling. [b]Fun environments[/b]: They started to mess this up in Halo 3, and I don't even know why. I really enjoyed all of the environments that Halo 2 offered. I'll sometimes start up a custom game just to walk around and enjoy the maps scenery. [b]Clans[/b]: I never played Halo 2 on Live but this clan system sounds like fun. [/quote] [Edited on 04.14.2012 2:00 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shortD42 is aBK [/quote] He's trying to say that higher ranks in Halo 2 were more rare then high ranks in Halo 3. I'd have to agree as I see lots of 50s but from what I know the higher ranks in Halo 2 (+30) were more rare than seeing a 50, so in a way Halo 2 had a ranking system that covered more ground.
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Superbounces, Swipe Sniping and Voice Masking. That was a joke, lol. All the mentions above me are good. Besides a couple of map remakes, there isn't really much to hope for.
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1. return of the M6C pistol 2. the sword (Halo 2 style) 3. dual needlers!
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1. Halo 2 ranking system pre-patch 2. The BR55 from post patch 3. Maybe clans as well
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These: [quote] M6C pistol - I can understand why this is in high demand. Using it single wielded to score headshots in the Cairo station hangars and bomb room was pretty satisfying H2 style sword - sword flying must return Sputnik - turning enemies didn't exactly replicate Chief's strength but it did manage it a little Black Eye - the overshields. Cqc was survivable! Although I'd prefer a combination of H2 and H3 Black Eye so I don't always have to get a kill for the shield recharge/powerup. Assassins - one of the most monstrous skulls that ever existed in a Halo game. The current skulls are quite puny compared to this Angry - finally, a way to alter AI rof, an actual AI modifying skull. To expand on this, it should also increase firing range Envy skull Elite Ultra - I love Reach Ultra Elites but they don't pull out swords Elite Councilor - They should have a chance to be distinguished from Elite Ultra AI drivers - less freedom, the better, although I'd prefer AI to stay seated in the passenger or gunner seat all times unless I get them out. The sergeant who hands you the gauss hog on Metropolis has a strict driving route. Jackal sniper - they got so nerfed in the newer Halo games. It's just sad. They should put on their goggles only when enemies are close, for supreme accuracy. Their damage should be determined by enemy proximity. If the enemy is close, 1 shot should be instant kill. If the enemy is far away, 1 shot should be strong enough to remove the shield. That would be better balancing imo. [/quote] However, I would not like to see: [quote] Brutes - they're never fun to fight and are at their most reasonable state in Reach, with less damage sponge properties dual wielding - means weapon nerfing. Also, it's already been confirmed that H4 has no dual wielding dual Needlers - Dual Needlers means severely nerfing the needler's effectiveness. I'd rather have the CE Needler for multiple supercombines on an enemy, big supercombine explosion radius, effective homing, and for supercombines on dead bodies H2 style bosses - other than the Scarab and Tartarus, the rest are just ridiculous! I want to blow up Regret with the rocket launcher but I have to beat him down. How do I take out the Heretic leader? (it was quite puzzling at first before I found out that he hides)[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] InvasionImminent [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shortD42 is aBK [/quote] He's trying to say that higher ranks in Halo 2 were more rare then high ranks in Halo 3. I'd have to agree as I see lots of 50s but from what I know the higher ranks in Halo 2 (+30) were more rare than seeing a 50, so in a way Halo 2 had a ranking system that covered more ground.[/quote]I know that, but he says they aren't special when he is a 41.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] path1k 1. return of the M6C pistol[/quote] No, if anything bring back the Halo 3 magnum. It was BAMF.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shortD42 is aBK I'm going to try to do this without insulting you. There were almost 25 million gamertags registered playing Halo 3 before Bnet shut off stat tracking. There really weren't many bad 50s, and I would believe those are players who may have bought their account. I don't think you should try to minimize 50s when you haven't gotten to the rank. Plain and simple. All my friends who are 50s would destroy those who are not unless they are playing social and just goofing around. I was going to leave clips here showing why my 50 >>>>>>>>>>>>> your 41, but I'm going to make a montage instead because last time I posted clips someone tried stealing it. [/quote]Wooooooah, hold on there buddy. I'm not trying to minimize the achievement. I know I'm not a great Halo player. I'm barely above average in my opinion. No need in comparing e-peens. My point is that it would be great to have a [i]very[/i] hard to achieve top rank. Something that only about .001% of the player base could ever achieve. That's just so people who were good enough to get 50s can still aspire to become something greater instead of feeling you've reached the pinnacle and there's no point anymore. I just feel that having the top rank should make people want to kiss the ground you walk on. With Halo 3 you're pretty much only considered a "good" player if you have a 50. You've proven that now by how you shoved my opinion aside because I'm only a 41. I'd like to see that changed. Anyways, I don't take matchmaking or playing on console with a controller competitively. It's not really my arena. I'm more of a PC player when it comes to competitive play so you'll find me relaxed when I sit down to play Halo 2, 3 or Reach. I only ever try if a friend asks me to join in for a competitive game. \o/ [Edited on 04.14.2012 6:21 PM PDT]
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Some of the Maps Skill System (as stated) Super Bounces!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I almost forgot something: no invisible barriers stopping exploration. H3 was the same campaign every time since it was so difficult to get out of the map (in addition to the mostly redundant sandbox and small scale battles). [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4whmrKnQlo]This[/url] would only take a few seconds in H2. I hated how Bungie tried to keep the player on the route. That's good for first time campaign players who want to play to the story. Bad for everything else. When you see 343 Guilty Spark and Delta Halo then look at H3's campaign, you'll see how -blam!- exploration was in H3. The emphasis on Co-op is blatant and insulting. I shouldn't have to play with other players to explore the map. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shortD42 is aBK [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] path1k 1. return of the M6C pistol[/quote] No, if anything bring back the Halo 3 magnum. It was BAMF.[/quote]Yeah, when it was dual wielded. When single wielded, it's only use was to induce flinching. The slow rof coupled with the lack of scope made it's surprising accuracy + range completely pointless. [Edited on 04.14.2012 6:20 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sliding Ghost dual Needlers - Dual Needlers means severely nerfing the needler's effectiveness. I'd rather have the CE Needler for multiple supercombines on an enemy, big supercombine explosion radius, effective homing, and for supercombines on dead bodies [/quote]good point, the Halo 2 needlers were useless by themselves
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] path1k [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sliding Ghost dual Needlers - Dual Needlers means severely nerfing the needler's effectiveness. I'd rather have the CE Needler for multiple supercombines on an enemy, big supercombine explosion radius, effective homing, and for supercombines on dead bodies [/quote]good point, the Halo 2 needlers were useless by themselves[/quote]There is another way to bring it back. Spiritual successor. A weapon that captures the rof, devastation, and homing.
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1) A good storyline 2) Duel storyline like with the arbiter and the chief 3) Clan Matches 4) Heretic Banshee 5) Free DLC's of maps after a few months like Halo 2 map packs 6) Good easter eggs / glitches in the game to make us come back and play campaign over and over again. 7) Super Bounces 8) And finally everyones favorite weapon, the Battle Rifle.
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1. Spectres 2. Ranking system 3. Epic story telling that was in H2
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Above all else: hitscan weapons. Please god hiitscan weapons.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LordQuagga Above all else: hitscan weapons. Please god hiitscan weapons.[/quote]It's already been confirmed that there will be hitscan weapons. Your prayers have been answered. :D
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dr Syx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LordQuagga Above all else: hitscan weapons. Please god hiitscan weapons.[/quote]It's already been confirmed that there will be hitscan weapons. Your prayers have been answered. :D[/quote] Oh god, yes!
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1. Shot combos that can make a weapon shoot differently. (BXR, RRXYYRRX) 2. Clans. Hopefully a better clan system than Halo 2's. 3. Dark Campaign story. 4. All of the Halo 2 maps. I'm sure there's more, but this is what I can think of right now.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan R257 it should definetly have the dual weilding from halo 2 not halo 3 and the pistol model from h2 cause it actually looks like a pistol[/quote] Wasn't dual-wielding the same in Halo 2 and Halo 3? What could possibly be different? You hold one weapon in each hand... When you melee you drop your 2nd weapon. Same in both games...
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I want many things, but they can all be described in one word: SIMPLIFICATION I don't need AA's, I just need Overshield and camo I don't need bloom or target leading I don't need 4 grenade types, I'm good with frag and sticky I don't need overly complicated sandboxes. Somewhere between H2 and H3 is fine. I don't need 20 playlists at one time like Reach has. I want a hitscan BR. H2[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MisguidedDrake4 I don't need 20 playlists at one time like Reach has. [/quote]I don't really see the point in taking away playlists... Having less choice is never good in my opinion. There's enough people on the game as is to fill most the playlists. :P [Edited on 04.16.2012 11:51 PM PDT]
