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Halo 4 - Reclamation: A Comprehensive Theory [MAJOR UPDATE 11/13/11]

WARNING: WALL OF THE TEXT PERSUASION BELOW [u][i][b]MAJOR UPDATE FOLLOWING THE RELEASE OF HALO: ANNIVERSARY AND THE TERMINALS WITHIN. SOME POINTS IN HERE ARE DEFINITELY VALID WITH THIS NEW INFORMATION. I WILL UPDATE ACCORDINGLY.[/u][/i][/b] Halo 4, the first game in a new trilogy, the Reclaimer Trilogy, brings us back to the Master Chief, continuing his story as he saves the universe from an "ancient evil" and faces his destiny. In the few short months since its announcement, Halo 4 has given rise to many questions regarding many facets of the Halo universe. When is this game set? What has happened since the end of Halo 3? Who is this "ancient enemy?" Where is Master Chief? Questions, I believe, we already have answers to. Welcome to the Reclamation Theory. [u]TABLE OF CONTENTS[/u] [b]I[/b] The Post-War Era [b]II[/b] The Legendary Planet [b]III[/b] The Ancient Enemy [b]IV[/b] The Conclusion PART I: [b][u]The Post War Era: Were it so Easy[/u][/b] The end of Halo 3 brings about the end the Human-Covenant War, the end of the Covenant itself, and the end of the Flood Threat (for now, but we'll get to that later; see Part II). While it hails the end of many foes and wars, it also marks the beginning of multiple events as well. The Humans, having been united under the will to survive, have begun to rebuild their society in a Post-War world. The Elites have begun to make amends to the Humans for their genocidal campaign. Peace seems to have finally been attained from the violence that marked the galaxy since 2525. But not all is calm on the western front. The known galaxy has been thrust into chaos following the end of the H-C War. Deep in the dark shadows of the galaxy, turmoil may resume. The Office of Naval Intelligence, ONI, is not slowing down their movement among the roots of the UNSC. If anything, they have sped up. In an unstable state, the galaxy is up for grabs. In order to force their way to the top, almost immediately, ONI sends a diplomatic mission to Sangheilios. Their diplomacy, however, is not to the Separatist leader Thel Vadum; commonly know as the Arbiter; but to Avu Med 'Telcam, a fundamentalist among the Elites and a political enemy to the Arbiter, angry at the rebuttal of the idea that forerunners were "gods" after the H-C War ended. 'Telcam wants to cause insurrection amongst the Elites because of this religious zeal; to deny the Arbiter and his followers and claw his way to the top of Sangheili. [[url=http://www.halopedian.com/Avu_Med_%27Telcam]1[/url]] Why would ONI allow this to happen? Some would say that they just want to control the ebb and flow of the Post War Age and that is their primary objective. While this is an overarching objective on ONI, I disagree that it is their primary focus. Then what would it be? What is the answer to this question? They want forerunner tech. And they don't want to share. Inciting the Fundamentalists to rebel would throw an already chaotic Sangheili society into further chaos. A chaos that would occupy the Elites to no end; still at war with the remnants of the Covenant Loyalists in 2559, another conflict would spiral them into a state where nothing could be achieved. Leaving forerunner artifacts all up for Humanity to grab. So simple, yet so diabolical. Reaping the benefits of war with no one to stop them (or so it seems - Part III). This concept will end up being explored in the Post-War novels, but still has resonant connections to Halo 4.[[url=http://www.halopedian.com/Unidentified_Sangheili_Shipmaster_(The_Return)]2[/url]] With the enemy of old out of the way, the UNSC could reign supreme in the area of reclaiming forerunner technologies they discovered during the waning years of the H-C War. Repurposing technology is not a new concept to the UNSC; the Mjolnir Mark V-VI Amor Systems' energy shielding was reverse engineered from jackal shields; Spartan II and III made use of sentinel weaponry with relative ease. Various forerunner technologies could be incorporated into the UNSC navy within a matter of years after discovery and investigation. An element of the UNSC I believe will be central to the Reclaimer Trilogy. PART II: [b][u]The Legendary Planet: Reject My Bias and Make Amends[/b][/u] Now lets return to the Chief. The year is 2553 in the wake of the aftermath of the events at the Ark. The Forward Unto Dawn's aft section floats through unknown space millions upon millions of miles away from any human presence. Aboard it, in cryogenic stasis, lies Master Chief Petty Officer of the UNSC Navy, John 117. Master Chief has finished the fight. Truth, the Covenant, the Flood... it's finished. Cortana submits this sentiment to Chief as he readys for cryo-sleep to which he agrees. His fight is done. His final wish as he begins to become dormant, "Wake me when you need me." He goes into stasis, to the year 2556 and beyond. Which leads to the big question: if his fight is finished, why would he be woken up? After an unknown period of time, the Forward Unto Dawn is seen approaching a [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/0/08/Legendary_Planet.jpg]planet of unknown origin.[/url] As the Dawn drifts closer, the planet comes into better [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/1/1d/Planet.jpg]view[/url]: it definitely has had the presence of some space-dwelling power before. How can I infer this? There are forerunner [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/c/c1/Overlayed.png]glyphs[/url] [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/0/02/Shieldworldsymbol.jpg]present[/url] [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/0/05/Marathon_logo.jpg]upon[/url] the [url=http://images.wikia.com/bungie/images/8/8c/Septagon.jpg]planet[/url]. Clearly this planet, at some point, had some significance to the forerunners. But what is it? Why mention glyphs here? Before I answer this question, there's one major facet of Halo-lore that needs to be explored. Shield Worlds. Simply put, "A shield world is a Forerunner installation designed as a military outpost to monitor and counter potential Flood outbreaks, as well as to serve as a shelter from the activation of the Halo Array. Scattered across the Forerunner ecumene, the shield worlds outnumber the Halos by a large margin. The shield worlds were collectively known as 'the Shield', while the Halos were collectively known as 'the Sword'. Over a thousand years prior to the second coming of the Flood, the shield worlds were proposed by the Didact as facilities from which to fight and research the Flood, an alternate solution to Master Builder Faber's plan to construct the Halos. However, the betrayal by the Forerunner Contender-class artificial intelligence 05-032 Mendicant Bias and its defection to the Flood forced the Forerunners to abandon their plans to evacuate into the shield installations, as Mendicant Bias revealed the locations of the shield worlds to the Flood." [[url=http://www.halopedian.com/Shield_World]3[/url]] Two varieties of Shield Worlds are known. There is the Conventional Sphere: a hollow sphere with the shield world located on the inside of the planet's crust similar to the Halo Installations. The second variation is the Micro-Dyson Sphere: a Dyson Sphere located inside of a tiny bubble of compressed slipspace. Now back to the questions: What is it? Why mention glyphs here? Well, if we take a look at this [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/0/02/Shieldworldsymbol.jpg]glyph[/url], things become clearer. Not too clear? Lets look at [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/0/02/Onyx_cover.jpg]this[/url] image of the glyph. Still not clicking? Ghosts of Onyx involves the discovery of the second variation of shield worlds deep within the planet Onyx. Now making a little more sense? The glyph is involved with shield worlds. Where am I going with this? Why ask so many questions? [u]Because the presence of this symbol on the Legendary Planet's surface means that the planet is either involved with or is a shield world.[/u] ...And because I like to hear myself speak. PART III: [b][u]The Ancient Enemy: This Is "Reclaimer"[/b][/u] Master Chief is heading to a shield world. Humanity is searching for forerunner artifacts with no regulation. The stage is set. The pieces are coming together. But all this leaves is the conflict. All stories need a good villain. The Covenant Loyalists and Elites are busy with their own problems. So who could it be? This is where things get juicy. Mendicant Bias, a once hostile AI, made his debut in Halo 3. He almost single handedly caused the end of life in the galaxy as we know it. But, 100,000 years later upon the discovery of Harvest and the humans living there, rejects his past ways to "make amends." But how could he do this? He literally did NOTHING to help the Chief in Halo 3. Chief had to deal with the Flood threat by his lonesome with not forerunner AI there to be his training wheels. So what exactly does Mendicant Bias do to help the Chief? [Edited on 11.13.2011 11:24 AM PST]

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  • We are to believe that the portal collapsed; the Arbiter made it through while the Chief and Cortana were stranded in space. If this were to be true, then there would be nothing Mendicant could do to help the Chief. So let's reject this bias and make amends - to our thoughts that is. If Mendicant had a part in the story, there is only one place it could be. The Portal. Mendicant Bias keeps the Portal open just long enough for the Chief and Cortana to make their way through - just not Earth. He purposefully let it collapse the moment they entered it. Why? "And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions. But I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example." -Mendicant Bias, Terminal 7. Mendicant Bias wants to show his former masters that he has "changed" by making the Chief "[his] example." Just what does that mean? [i]Just as a warning: this is the point at which things begin to drift deep into the realm of conjecture and further away from stated canon.[/i] It means that he wants to use Chief, the "savior" of the galaxy, as a catalyst to show that he is remorseful for his actions one hundred millenia ago. Mendicant wants to his makers to know what he has done. Know. How can his makers know if they are all dead or have left the galaxy? This could lead to two basic ideas of what his statement means: Either Mendicant "would have his masters know" of his absolution if they were still alive, or Mendicant would have his masters know by showing them what he has done. Show. Physically. Bound by space and time. Some will have guessed where I'm going with this. Here's the punchline: The Shield World that Mendicant sent the Chief to is one of (if not the only) place left in the galaxy where the Forerunners are left alive. This is a big assumption: I will not deny that. Forerunners: alive? No way. That'd be too cliche or cheesy. Oh wait. There's even more to this. I'm not going to state the final condensed theory until the very end of the passage, so before the final theory, I will explain myself. From both a gameplay standpoint and a storytelling standpoint, I disagree that it would be cliche or cheesy. Let's start with storytelling. In the novel Halo: Cryptum, it is established early on in the story that forerunners do not have a natural discretion towards humans. If anything, it is quite the opposite. Bornstellar describes his encounter with humans with disdain and feels superior towards them. The language used in discussion of humans is dirty and dark; a feeling of loathing is evident in the tone. Only by the near-end of the book, as Bornstellar, imbued with partial aspects of the Didact's memories and consciousness, does he have any positive emotions towards them. Faber, the Master Builder, does not share these feelings with Bornstellar, becoming angry when he finds out that the Didact gave Riser and Chakas forerunner armor. This is ignoring the experiments done on humans on Mendicant Bias' Halo discussed in the upcoming novel Primordium. It is clear, after the original Human-Forerunner War, that Humans are not liked very well by most of Forerunner society. Yet why is it that they are "reclaimers" of Forerunner tech? The answer lies within the Librarian, Lifeworker for the Ecumene. She finds the human race intriguing with potential to do great things: evident in the work of Chakas and Riser in finding the Cryptum. Her work with the humans is the only reason they survived past the firing of the Halo Array. It can be inferred that through her work, as well as Bornstellar/Didact, humans were granted the authority to use Forerunner technology after the firing of the Array. Whether this ability is through the Geas implanted within some of the humans the Librarian encountered or otherwise is never stated: regardless, it is most likely through her that the humans become Reclaimers. Fast forward to after the firing of the Halo Array: the galaxy if lifeless and is now being repopulated. The few surviving Forerunners, the Didact included, have a choice: either repopulate the galaxy and bring their empire back to full strength, or let it begin without them. It is never stated what choice they make: the Covenant interpret their absence as the result of a "Great Journey," but never is that clarified as their death or as their removal of themselves. I believe that they remained in the galaxy under one stipulation: they laid dormant for the reclaimers to rebuild with them. Where do they lay dormant? THE LEGENDARY SHIELD WORLD. Fast forward 100,000 years: we're back to Chief an the Shield World. Mendicant sent him there to show that Mendicant has "rejected his bias and [made] amends." He has sent Chief to the Forerunners to show that he has helped their reclaimers and is once again fighting for the good guys. The Human race is ravaging the galaxy without regulation for Forerunner technology. The "Covenant" is too busy with itself to be involved with any human affairs. It has been some time since the end of Halo 3. The events of the Halo 4 begin to unfold. Let's now talk gameplay. Chief and Cortana are [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/1/17/Halo4conceptart2.jpg]sucked[/url] into the Shield World. The inside of the [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/b/bc/Halo4conceptart9.jpg]shield world[/url] are similar to the environments found in the Halo Wars [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/4/48/BeachheadOpening.png]shield world.[/url] The grandeur of Halo CE is rivaled. The only thing left is the enemy. Who is the antagonist? The Flood? Their involvement is a definite possibility, but as the only enemy in the series? Not likely. The Covenant? With an Elite civil war and the jumbled Covenant loyalists: Yeah right. A completely new enemy altogether? Maybe, but throwing a fastball like that straight at Halo fans would be almost too much to handle. While the new trilogy is meant to be understandable and standalone to the last, throwing away all old elements and thrusting a completely new enemy into the fray doesn't seem like something 343i would logically do. So who's left? Human vs. Human? Possible. After all, the H-C War was what united humanity together. Now that it is over insurrection could begin again. But human vs. human conflicts have never been explored to a great degree in games (only a mention in Halo: Reach and one lone Police Officer in Halo 3:ODST). Anyways, humans are reaping the benefits of Forerunner technology. This leaves one real option. It is a bit far fetched, so before I present my final thesis, one last point. Compare [url=http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/b/b9/Syphinx.jpg]these[/url] [url=http://www.halopedian.com/images/b/bc/Halo4conceptart9.jpg]three[/url] [url=http://imageshack.us/f/560/ancientenemyhires.jpg/]images[/url]. Even though one is a concept pulled from the description in Halo: Cryptum, notice the consistency with 343i concepts. You now must have guessed my final thesis, so without further adieu: PART IV: [b][u]The Conclusion: Reclamation[/u][/b] [b]The Forerunners that have lied dormant for thousands of years are awoken. The hostility between humans and forerunners has stood the test of time. In the time of chaos becoming stability among humans, they must fight for survival against a long lost enemy as well as combat the Flood. This fight will last through the entire trilogy and recreate the standards that allowed humanity to originally find a cure to the Flood, with this as a central theme: reclaiming what was once theirs. But no one faction is the titicular "reclaimer". The Didact isn't happy with human interference and is going to do what he does best: fight for his people. He [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf49s5vqB6s&feature=autoplay&list=ULpt3crRP9oRA&lf=mfu_in_order&playnext=1]has seen what they have done[/url], and will act accordingly. The Forerunners, the Humans, and the Flood are trying to reclaim what was once theirs. And they each adamantly believe that only they themselves are correct.[/b] Thank you for reading this far. I appreciate any comments or ideas. :) I left out three main ideas from this passage that can be explored in further detail, but I don't think that they will be as huge of a problem in the first game. [b]Cortana[/b]: I believe she is experiencing plenty of problems with her mental state? From age? Yes. From Rampancy? No. I think she went through metastability after her torture by the Gravemind. It will be a focal point between her and the Chief, but at large I don't feel it will be such a great plot point in the universe. [b]The Last Precursor[/b]: I won't deny that he will play a huge part. But I think we won't know too much about him early on in the trilogy. He will be in the shadows until the time to reveal himself is right, holgin onto the marienettes until he can afford to cut the strings. Just not in Halo 4. [Edited on 12.30.2011 4:15 PM PST]

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  • Great read! Certainly puts things in perspective. I can't shake the feeling that this game is going to be completely different from what we're theorizing. [Edited on 09.17.2011 12:09 AM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MickelPickel Mendicant Bias, a once hostile AI, made his debut in Halo 3. He almost single handedly caused the end of life in the galaxy as we know it. But, 100,000 years later upon the discovery of Harvest and the humans living there, rejects his past ways to "make amends." But how could he do this? He literally did NOTHING to help the Chief in Halo 3.[/quote] Actually, Mendicant Bias foreshadows what he is going to do in the final Terminal. "And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. [b]The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe.[/b] I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions. But I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example." To me, that shows Bias helped keep the Halo ring stable long enough for Chief and Arby to escape to the Dawn. Since he was in control of Halo rings, as shown in Cryptum, I would think he would know what a premature detonation would do. Spark certainly did. That and I think he also had a hand in switching the coordinates of the Ark Portal. That and I'm not quite convinced te Forerunners are the Ancient Evil, more than likely it's the Timeless One, ie the last Precursor, the one who controls the Flood. Either than that, impressive read. It's nice to see someone else use the Halo Encyclopedia too. [Edited on 09.16.2011 10:04 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra That and I'm not quite convinced te Forerunners are the Ancient Evil[/quote] And because the Forerunners don't really fall into the category of "evil". Though it could just be a device used to generate a plot twist.

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  • It'd be a really awkward one though. I mean, they did make humanity reclaimers for a reason. But with that in mind, they turn on us? I don't see it.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra It'd be a really awkward one though. I mean, they did make humanity reclaimers for a reason. But with that in mind, they turn on us? I don't see it.[/quote] Actually, you'd think the Forerunners would think it through that with them gone, the recreated humanity would eventually go snooping around, finding and utilizing the tech they left behind.

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  • UPDATE: second half of thread added. It does address a few of what you two have said. AND about the Halo Encyclopedia disclaimer: I understand what it says is Halo canon, but the only thing that irks me about it it the date 2610. It is a canonical date, but as we have seen with Halo: Reach, game canon has differed book canon.

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  • That was a great read, and it made complete sense to me. It seems exceedingly plausible. I can envision Humanity after jumping forward quite far in technology due to 'reclaimed' Forerunner tech. Even in 2579 or something in the epilogue of Halo Reach, you can tell that they have advanced quite a bit in just 20 years. Maybe then they could stand up against the might of the Forerunner, but just maybe. I don't understand how the Flood could wiggle back out in this. Was the Ark not completely destroyed (the Forerunner would probably be rather pissed when they find that out)? Was the Gravemind smart enough to foresee an intervention, and stowed away another ship, ready to stir up chaos once more when it is needed? It would also be interesting to see some conflict among the Forerunner. I know most -if not all of them- look down upon the Humans, angry for them 'stealing' their technology. Maybe some of them would be impressed in Humanity's efforts in stalling the Flood, but I doubt it. But why be angry enough to start destroying Humanity for a second time, after allowing them their entire legacy? Even after reading this thread, I still do not know what to expect in Halo 4 and the new trilogy. I expect it to be great, though. Your theory(?) seems the most plausible so far, but again, I don't know what's coming.

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  • Interesting thread. Possibilities have been running through my head for a while now, and you've hammered out what I couldn't seem to pull together.

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  • Very well thought out (an exceedingly rare quality here these days). Just some points you might want to address... -Halsey's designs for human-A.I. merging (with most of the information coming from the Journal) will, I believe, play a very large role in whats the come for future humanity. -Mendicant Bias / Offensive Bias could both be alive. There is still the theory that MB and Cortana merged (with him helping her reach meta-stability). -I still have a problem with the Forerunner being an enemy. It just seems needlessly petty to begin fighting the same war you fought 100,000+ years ago when you can view the mistakes of your civilization in retrospect AND know that the Flood is still a threat.

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  • CHINA WANTS THEIR WALL BACK

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] edlegend97 CHINA WANTS THEIR WALL BACK[/quote] Enjoy your ban.

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  • Just to let you know, the Forerunners have been confirmed alive for years now. Actually it was in the Encyclopedia, believe it or not, where it was said the Forerunners left the galaxy forever. Will continue reading now. Edit: just finished reading. Simply put, while well thought out, I do not agree with the enemy being the Forerunners for a few reasons. Firstly, the fact they're no longer in this galaxy, they wouldn't be a threat to the humans in the Milky Way. As you haven't read the Encyclopedia, I can't blame you for not knowing that of course. Second, the Great Journey is a real thing, Didact directly alludes to it in the Terminals saying "we will follow in their footsteps" referring, obviously, to the Precursors. Being the holders of the Mantle, the Great Journey seemed open to them but as the Covenant war suggested, not others. Wherever the Forerunners are, the Precursors are likely to be as well. This leads into point 3, the Forerunners left the galaxy in shame, not in triumph. They left because they in part realized they were not worthy of upholding the Precursor's legacy, and they chose the humans as their inheritors. They were completely humbled by the experience of the Flood, they're not likely to retain much hatred, after getting destroyed utterly, towards humanity. Especially with the Precursors nearby. 4th, the thought the Master Chief can fight the Forerunners is ludicrous; their technology is waaay too powerful for the UNSC to have a hope in hell. 5th, and most importantly, the description of the game calls the Ancient Evil a threat to the entire [u] universe. [/u] Forerunners are no threat to the universe itself, only the Precursors could be, which is why the prevailing theory is that the Primordial is the main antagonist, with an army of True Flood (that is to say, Flood in their most dangerous form). And Forerunners are not evil, just misguided. The rest seemed good, though a lot of what you called speculation I thought was common knowledge (like Medicant Bias sending the Chief to the Forerunners). [Edited on 09.17.2011 6:46 AM PDT]

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  • Wow, great theory. It is extremely well written and extremely well thought out. I would not be surprised if you are correct. It is so interesting to think of the endless possibilities.

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  • Very nice thread and read OP, I think your theory was well thought out. I might save this thread. I still doubt the forerunners will be the antagonists on H4, 5 and 6. I think they would be breaking their own mantle if they did that and it would be too big a variation compared to their good, protaganist actions during the forerunner-flood war. I can imagine the Chief somehow working with the surviving forerunners on the LP(if they're on the LP at all) to thwart the TO's plan (in which he uses the flood, if not something else as well). [Edited on 09.17.2011 9:51 AM PDT]

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  • I just want to know if the UNSC is the only faction from the older games we're going to be seeing.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DorkLord54 I just want to know if the UNSC is the only faction from the older games we're going to be seeing.[/quote] We don't know but I highly doubt it.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Just to let you know, the Forerunners have been confirmed alive for years now. Actually it was in the Encyclopedia, believe it or not, where it was said the Forerunners left the galaxy forever. Will continue reading now. Edit: just finished reading. Simply put, while well thought out, I do not agree with the enemy being the Forerunners for a few reasons. Firstly, the fact they're no longer in this galaxy, they wouldn't be a threat to the humans in the Milky Way. As you haven't read the Encyclopedia, I can't blame you for not knowing that of course. Second, the Great Journey is a real thing, Didact directly alludes to it in the Terminals saying "we will follow in their footsteps" referring, obviously, to the Precursors. Being the holders of the Mantle, the Great Journey seemed open to them but as the Covenant war suggested, not others. Wherever the Forerunners are, the Precursors are likely to be as well. This leads into point 3, the Forerunners left the galaxy in shame, not in triumph. They left because they in part realized they were not worthy of upholding the Precursor's legacy, and they chose the humans as their inheritors. They were completely humbled by the experience of the Flood, they're not likely to retain much hatred, after getting destroyed utterly, towards humanity. Especially with the Precursors nearby. 4th, the thought the Master Chief can fight the Forerunners is ludicrous; their technology is waaay too powerful for the UNSC to have a hope in hell. 5th, and most importantly, the description of the game calls the Ancient Evil a threat to the entire [u] universe. [/u] Forerunners are no threat to the universe itself, only the Precursors could be, which is why the prevailing theory is that the Primordial is the main antagonist, with an army of True Flood (that is to say, Flood in their most dangerous form). And Forerunners are not evil, just misguided. The rest seemed good, though a lot of what you called speculation I thought was common knowledge (like Medicant Bias sending the Chief to the Forerunners).[/quote] I have a question. . . what is the "true flood"? Do you mean pure forms? Why do people keeping on bringing this "army of true flood" up? I don't understand. Other than that, great read, very well thought out. As Roberto said though, I think threatening the universe is too big of a job for the forerunner, only the tier-0 precursors fit the description. The last image must be some sort of new species, which i believe you will encounter right off the bat in Halo 4, and the timeless one will be in the shadows for the first game.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] qirahs [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Just to let you know, the Forerunners have been confirmed alive for years now. Actually it was in the Encyclopedia, believe it or not, where it was said the Forerunners left the galaxy forever. Will continue reading now. Edit: just finished reading. Simply put, while well thought out, I do not agree with the enemy being the Forerunners for a few reasons. Firstly, the fact they're no longer in this galaxy, they wouldn't be a threat to the humans in the Milky Way. As you haven't read the Encyclopedia, I can't blame you for not knowing that of course. Second, the Great Journey is a real thing, Didact directly alludes to it in the Terminals saying "we will follow in their footsteps" referring, obviously, to the Precursors. Being the holders of the Mantle, the Great Journey seemed open to them but as the Covenant war suggested, not others. Wherever the Forerunners are, the Precursors are likely to be as well. This leads into point 3, the Forerunners left the galaxy in shame, not in triumph. They left because they in part realized they were not worthy of upholding the Precursor's legacy, and they chose the humans as their inheritors. They were completely humbled by the experience of the Flood, they're not likely to retain much hatred, after getting destroyed utterly, towards humanity. Especially with the Precursors nearby. 4th, the thought the Master Chief can fight the Forerunners is ludicrous; their technology is waaay too powerful for the UNSC to have a hope in hell. 5th, and most importantly, the description of the game calls the Ancient Evil a threat to the entire [u] universe. [/u] Forerunners are no threat to the universe itself, only the Precursors could be, which is why the prevailing theory is that the Primordial is the main antagonist, with an army of True Flood (that is to say, Flood in their most dangerous form). And Forerunners are not evil, just misguided. The rest seemed good, though a lot of what you called speculation I thought was common knowledge (like Medicant Bias sending the Chief to the Forerunners).[/quote] I have a question. . . what is the "true flood"? Do you mean pure forms? Why do people keeping on bringing this "army of true flood" up? I don't understand. Other than that, great read, very well thought out. As Roberto said though, I think threatening the universe is too big of a job for the forerunner, only the tier-0 precursors fit the description. The last image must be some sort of new species, which i believe you will encounter right off the bat in Halo 4, and the timeless one will be in the shadows for the first game. [/quote]I can't truly offer a rebuttal to the first 3 points you make Roberto. I simply do not have the knowledge or enough information to extrapolate on your points. The fourth one, however, I can see as a possibility. Sentinel weaponry is, essentially, forerunner weaponry attached to machines. Master Chief was able to dispatch them with relative ease. The point could be made that the forerunner equipment encountered in fighting the forerunners would annihilate human weaponry by comparison. Which is true. But, in the similar situation of the H-C War, Humanity was outmatched, outgunned, and outnumbered. But they still managed to defeat Truth and the belligerents of the Covenant. Who is to say that a similar situation would not arise in a Human-Forerunner War? I do agree that the Last Precursor/Primordial has a huge part in the series, but at least for the first game, he is lurking in the shadows. He doesn't need to be in the action to have a big impact on things: take Cryptum. It is implied that the Primordial is the true manipulator of Mendicant Bias. Being able to manipulate the most powerful AI the forerunners had created up until that point... does that seem like an easy task? It took 43 years for Mendicant to be swayed, but it still was done. The Primordial, assuming he either an extreme power of suggestion or just the willpower to warp the minds of others, could, in some form, bring about a conflict between the Forerunners and Humans. I don't have much of a solid hypothesis as to how he did that; some details Primordium will elaborate on. But I do agree you Roberto. The forerunners aren't evil. The Elites are not evil either. But that didn't stop them from almost wiping humanity from the face of the universe.

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  • Great post OP, it was very well thought out.

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  • Nothing about the forerunners leaving the galaxy makes sense under the circumstances that they were in; cryptum made it clear that building structures on the rim on the galaxy was the height if their tech. I don't recall it saying they left the galaxy "Forever" and i also remember it being said they relocated out of the orion arm pages later. Rob you constantly bring up the same points despite them being inconclusive.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anish panchalin I think they would be breaking their own mantle[/quote] Never done [i]that[/i] before, have they...

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  • MAJOR UPDATE. So I guess I was right in some places. Maybe a few more than I could have hoped for.

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  • That was excellently put and an amazing and thorough read. Congratulations. But onto topic... This seems very, very plausible. The amount of research you have dedicated and poured into this is incredible. Great job. One thing I don't agree with. I don't see the Forerunners fighting Chief. It would be awkward, for storyline [i]and[/i] gameplay reasons. Unless they cascade tonnes of Sentinels and robots at us, you wouldn't exactly get to fight a lot of Forerunners. Even if you do, you would be vastly inferior. And to turn superior, 343 would have to take giant leaps, like changing Chief's armour or upgrading it. (Sorry if I sound like I'm babbling here, but I'm very tired.) Anyhoo, keep it up!

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  • This actually makes a lot of sense... good job!

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  • Now that i have actually read this i could say the entire post is wrong since frankie said forever ago that it isn't a shield world. There is no reason for the didact to fight us nor would we have a defense for it. Infinity wouldn't be able to stand up to an actual forerunner ship. Not to mention there is no reason for him to fight us.

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