How does Reach have Errors? Since Bungies canon policy is New overwrites old and the game is the newest story doesnt that make the Fall of Reach's description of the battle not canon anymore?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] privet caboose After reading the last three pages of this thread, I've had to quell my own anger and force myself not to post for fear of getting myself banned. I honestly can't believe the stupidity some of you have claiming that canon is perfectly intact. Then, when shown proof it is not, you simply ignore the breaks and your fanboyism for Bungie shows it'self. (Alf...) [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa Contrary to what some are claiming TFoR is the [b][i]only[/i][/b] book affected by Reach. First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx are not affected by it in any way that negatively affects their whole story.[/quote] [b][u]NO.[/u][/b] Hell. First Strike was effected even more than Fall of Reach. Everything in Fall of Reach dated before July 24th remains fine. But every event afterwards was been changed. First Strike follows Red Team heavily, but their entire mission on Reach was changed! Hell, even Reach(the game) has Red team fighting on the surface before August 30th! EVERYTHING regarding Reach and the Spartan II's after July 24th was changed thanks to Halo Reach. And, because of the errors in Halo: Reach affecting First Strike, it's also going to completely change the events from Ghosts of Oynx. If you can't see that everything in Halo lore post July 24th(I'll even give, the 'official' invasion didn't start until August 14th, right?) Is completely ruined. [/quote]I am sorry but your trying to hard you have a great knowledge of Halos story but do not bring up halseys journal which is canon why? and red team well you fail I am sorry but we are not told the dates they fight on and since it's firefight and online play that has the radio transmissions one can assume that they take place on August the 30th, call me abungie fanboy a troll but I am not you cant prove I am either so stop with the false acusations.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] chickenlittle [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ONIAgent150 You cannot make a fortress out of an entire planet. It's simply not practical. While I agree that Reach should have been portrayed a bit more militaristic, I do not think that the game did harm to the mental image of Reach I have in my head. [/quote]Reach was a fortress as much as it could have been. It was [i]only[/i] a military installation, the UNSC's off-Earth headquarters. Outside the UNSC bases and other presence, there was wilderness. no civlians besides a few scientists and specialists, including Halsey. The Covenant only went for the UNSC areas in the novel because that was all that was there, and it was directly over a Forerunner artifact. Also, at this time, I'm unsure if alf is a fanboi or just a very persistent troll.[/quote] so i disagree with you and others about your opinion and give reason for my own and I am labelled a troll

[quote]Oh, maybe the Covenant showing up on the planet FULL FORCE, and the entire UNSC being recalled to Reach to fight them off, where in the book the UNSC didn't have any idea the Covenant were coming and caught them completely off guard on the 30th. And it was at that point they tried to call the fleet back to Reach. [/quote] Full force can mean anything. It could be 12 ships, 314 or 750 sized fleet invading Reach. On August 12 around 60% of UNSC fleet was enroute to Reach and we can assume the Pillar of Autumn was not one of them. As for the UNSC not knowing about it, that's subjective. Who didn't know? Noble Team, ONI or Master Chief? The first two at least knew what was going on on Reach. Also, the Covenant invasion of Reach was supposed to be secret by ONI prior to August 30, or so I hear. [quote]Because the entire battle was changed from being one day, to over a month. The fate of the Spartan II's we followed in FoR, FS, and GoO now all have different fates and the events that occurred are now completely changed. Hell, even the way Chief is supposed to end up at Halo is completely different now. He no longer went on that space op with Linda and James because for some reason he was still on the ground. [/quote] Excuse me...? Blue Team's space op happened around 6:15 while the last mission of Halo: Reach takes place 16:57. There was like 10 hours for the Pillar of Autumn to land from space to Aszod ship-breaking yards after dropping Red Team to Reach's surface and picking up John and Linda from Circumference mission. First Strike happened exactly as it was supposed to. [quote] ...That's exactly what it means. Did you not see it crash on Halo? [/quote] I'd expect it to crash land on Halo after taking multiple direct plasma torpedo hits. [Edited on 01.21.2011 4:23 AM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith I haven't noticed anything that was actually changed what was told in the books. Expanding sure, but something what was told in the books happening was not disregarded. At least not to my knowledge.[/quote] Oh, maybe the Covenant showing up on the planet FULL FORCE, and the entire UNSC being recalled to Reach to fight them off, where in the book the UNSC didn't have any idea the Covenant were coming and caught them completely off guard on the 30th. And it was at that point they tried to call the fleet back to Reach. [quote]The planet still fell on August 30, like it was supposed to, so I don't understand the cry from some people.[/quote] Because the entire battle was changed from being one day, to over a month. The fate of the Spartan II's we followed in FoR, FS, and GoO now all have different fates and the events that occurred are now completely changed. Hell, even the way Chief is supposed to end up at Halo is completely different now. He no longer went on that space op with Linda and James because for some reason he was still on the ground. [quote]Even if the PoA maybe hadn't been ''rated for atmosphere flight'' that doesn't mean it ain't possible.[/quote] ...That's exactly what it means. Did you not see it crash on Halo? [Edited on 01.21.2011 2:23 AM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] N00b Xtrmnatr [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith All the events from the novels still happened. Nothing was changed, just expanded. It never made sense that the Covenant would blindly run into the SMACs protected by hundreds of ships without some sort of strategy.[/quote] I haven't read the new TFoR, but I'm pretty sure there was a significant amount of stuff changed in the book, if I remember some earlier posts correctly. Oh, and that WAS the strategy. The book said that the covenant were willing to sacrifice ships so that the SMACs would be taken out while distracted. The planetary invasion assisted in the defeat of the SMACs. EDIT: Well, the old book said that. If the new book is different from the old book regarding this matter, ignore this post.[/quote] I haven't noticed anything that was actually changed what was told in the books. Expanding sure, but something what was told in the books happening was not disregarded. At least not to my knowledge. The planet still fell on August 30, like it was supposed to, so I don't understand the cry from some people. Even if the PoA maybe hadn't been ''rated for atmosphere flight'' that doesn't mean it ain't possible.

After reading the last three pages of this thread, I've had to quell my own anger and force myself not to post for fear of getting myself banned. I honestly can't believe the stupidity some of you have claiming that canon is perfectly intact. Then, when shown proof it is not, you simply ignore the breaks and your fanboyism for Bungie shows it'self. (Alf...) [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa Contrary to what some are claiming TFoR is the [b][i]only[/i][/b] book affected by Reach. First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx are not affected by it in any way that negatively affects their whole story.[/quote] [b][u]NO.[/u][/b] Hell. First Strike was effected even more than Fall of Reach. Everything in Fall of Reach dated before July 24th remains fine. But every event afterwards was been changed. First Strike follows Red Team heavily, but their entire mission on Reach was changed! Hell, even Reach(the game) has Red team fighting on the surface before August 30th! EVERYTHING regarding Reach and the Spartan II's after July 24th was changed thanks to Halo Reach. And, because of the errors in Halo: Reach affecting First Strike, it's also going to completely change the events from Ghosts of Oynx. If you can't see that everything in Halo lore post July 24th(I'll even give, the 'official' invasion didn't start until August 14th, right?) Is completely ruined.

It did not Destroy the Canon? I what way I must ask? The thing that bothered me the most was seen PoA on ther ground. Even if they managed to throw a Hadouken (a colloquial saying where I come from) into making the timing of PoA's landing fit, it's still does not makes sense because the book (FoR) clearly states that ships of that size have to be build and assambled in orbit because they could not sustain their own weight in a planets gravity. The preasure due to the massive weight would crush the ship to the ground. Yes... there are many things that I did not like about the game, but I was realy looking to have a space battle in order to defend PoA and cover its scape to slipspace. But noooo... Bunjie decided that would be too predictable. Hey Bunjie, you want an unpredictable idea for Master Chief's backstory? How about he was an undesired kid of Dr. Halsey and young Preston Cole. But since Halsey was so focus in her work she decided to have an abortion. But little (soon to be) Jhon fought for his live (out of the woumb) and due to his genetic superiority and againts all odds struggle his way out of the waist basket and survived! Later to be adopted by a family of farmers in Eridanus II. You see Bunjie? It is posible to be unpredictable without crapping on the canon!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ONIAgent150 You cannot make a fortress out of an entire planet. It's simply not practical. While I agree that Reach should have been portrayed a bit more militaristic, I do not think that the game did harm to the mental image of Reach I have in my head. [/quote]Reach was a fortress as much as it could have been. It was [i]only[/i] a military installation, the UNSC's off-Earth headquarters. Outside the UNSC bases and other presence, there was wilderness. no civlians besides a few scientists and specialists, including Halsey. The Covenant only went for the UNSC areas in the novel because that was all that was there, and it was directly over a Forerunner artifact. Also, at this time, I'm unsure if alf is a fanboi or just a very persistent troll.

You cannot make a fortress out of an entire planet. It's simply not practical. While I agree that Reach should have been portrayed a bit more militaristic, I do not think that the game did harm to the mental image of Reach I have in my head.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GrnDragn [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alf stewert [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GrnDragn [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alf stewert the events are never mentioned in the book at all so the POA wasnt mentioned so it cant b e the fall of reach isnt mentioned with a scout party so it cannot be so your saying "the book didnt mention it so it cannot be?" and I am not a bungie fanboy at all [/quote] The book did mention that the Pillar was not rated for in atmosphere, it never went to the surface, and the battle lasted for a day. And you sure are acting like a Bungie Fanboy. "Bungie did nothing wrong", covers ears, "I can't hear you! Lalalalala!" "Bungie is always right." "You guys just whine!" "Lalalala!"[/quote] your the one with fingers in your ears it's been said a many of time how it fits you just want to be all big saying "I KNOW ALL ABOUT HALO CANON FOLLOW ME MY DESCIPLES!!" You yap on and on and your false, Your words are beneath you [/quote] Lol, the staple of a true Fanboy: Don't address the points, just flame and defend Bungie. You ran out of arguments and this is all you have left.[/quote] Your words are beneath you :) your a blind hungry Fanboy who doesnt want another view on a story. [Edited on 01.20.2011 7:56 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GrnDragn [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa I may be entirely wrong, I only assume this is so because I've seen people who've been around Halo way longer than I have say so on the forums in regards to questions about the canon of things. What they usually say is that the books and games are equal, graphic novels and videos are second, and advertising and promotional things are third. New information takes priority to older material, and in small basically insignificant differences between games and books the games take priority. Like if the book said 8 feet tall, and the game said he 7'5", for example.[/quote] The thing is though, we aren't talking about "small things". Reach was a pretty big Canon changer.[/quote] I know, I was just listing everything regarding what I've seen in regards to the levels of canon, I know the new sequence of events in Reach, as well as the other new things, are not "small things".

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa I may be entirely wrong, I only assume this is so because I've seen people who've been around Halo way longer than I have say so on the forums in regards to questions about the canon of things. What they usually say is that the books and games are equal, graphic novels and videos are second, and advertising and promotional things are third. New information takes priority to older material, and in small basically insignificant differences between games and books the games take priority. Like if the book said 8 feet tall, and the game said he 7'5", for example.[/quote] The thing is though, we aren't talking about "small things". Reach was a pretty big Canon changer.

I may be entirely wrong, I only assume this is so because I've seen people who've been around Halo way longer than I have say so on the forums in regards to questions about the canon of things. What they usually say is that the books and games are equal, graphic novels and videos are second, and advertising and promotional things are third. New information takes priority to older material, and in small basically insignificant differences between games and books the games take priority. Like if the book said 8 feet tall, and the game said he 7'5", for example. [Edited on 01.20.2011 7:04 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GrnDragn [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa Why thank you, I regard fanboy as a compliment, so feel free to "insult" me all you want, getting mad at something said over the internet by someone I don't know at all is just plain silly, and I will not rise to the bait :P good luck trying to rile me, it won't work. It's not a theory, it is a fact stated by Bungie in one of the weekly updates, I am not going to waste my time digging through the archives however as I have much better things I'd rather be doing. But in case you want to look for yourself it was right around the time when the Beta came out, I can't remember if it was during or after. Another thing Bungie has stated in regards to canon is that new material outranks old material in order of canon level. So obviously the game is how things have played out now, so the UNSC [i]did[/i] last a month against the Covenant, there was a form of advance force sent ahead, and the [i]Pillar of Autumn[/i].[/quote] I was directing the "fanboy" comment at the one who called me "whiney" and "stupid". But go ahead. So you are trying proved our point. Bungie not only broke Canon, but they are also saying that the old Canon no longer exists. Which means Bungie took the lazy way out, and pulled a George Lucas.[/quote] Ah, I thought it a little odd that you were calling me fanboy, as our disagreement has mostly been a fairly civil debate. I apologize for jumping to conclusions. The whole "new supersedes old" rule has been around since Bungie was first asked about the canon ages ago, and as far as I know that's always been their policy.[/quote] Hm, I still would like to see proof of this. Because Bungie's standing has been that the Books and games are both Canon, and they all coincide with eachother. Or at least they attempt to try.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GrnDragn [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa Why thank you, I regard fanboy as a compliment, so feel free to "insult" me all you want, getting mad at something said over the internet by someone I don't know at all is just plain silly, and I will not rise to the bait :P good luck trying to rile me, it won't work. It's not a theory, it is a fact stated by Bungie in one of the weekly updates, I am not going to waste my time digging through the archives however as I have much better things I'd rather be doing. But in case you want to look for yourself it was right around the time when the Beta came out, I can't remember if it was during or after. Another thing Bungie has stated in regards to canon is that new material outranks old material in order of canon level. So obviously the game is how things have played out now, so the UNSC [i]did[/i] last a month against the Covenant, there was a form of advance force sent ahead, and the [i]Pillar of Autumn[/i].[/quote] I was directing the "fanboy" comment at the one who called me "whiney" and "stupid". But go ahead. So you are trying proved our point. Bungie not only broke Canon, but they are also saying that the old Canon no longer exists. Which means Bungie took the lazy way out, and pulled a George Lucas.[/quote] Ah, I thought it a little odd that you were calling me fanboy, as our disagreement has mostly been a fairly civil debate. I apologize for jumping to conclusions. The whole "new supersedes old" rule has been around since Bungie was first asked about the canon ages ago, and as far as I know that's always been their policy.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alf stewert [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GrnDragn [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alf stewert the events are never mentioned in the book at all so the POA wasnt mentioned so it cant b e the fall of reach isnt mentioned with a scout party so it cannot be so your saying "the book didnt mention it so it cannot be?" and I am not a bungie fanboy at all [/quote] The book did mention that the Pillar was not rated for in atmosphere, it never went to the surface, and the battle lasted for a day. And you sure are acting like a Bungie Fanboy. "Bungie did nothing wrong", covers ears, "I can't hear you! Lalalalala!" "Bungie is always right." "You guys just whine!" "Lalalala!"[/quote] your the one with fingers in your ears it's been said a many of time how it fits you just want to be all big saying "I KNOW ALL ABOUT HALO CANON FOLLOW ME MY DESCIPLES!!" You yap on and on and your false, Your words are beneath you [/quote] Lol, the staple of a true Fanboy: Don't address the points, just flame and defend Bungie. You ran out of arguments and this is all you have left. [Edited on 01.20.2011 6:47 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa Why thank you, I regard fanboy as a compliment, so feel free to "insult" me all you want, getting mad at something said over the internet by someone I don't know at all is just plain silly, and I will not rise to the bait :P good luck trying to rile me, it won't work. It's not a theory, it is a fact stated by Bungie in one of the weekly updates, I am not going to waste my time digging through the archives however as I have much better things I'd rather be doing. But in case you want to look for yourself it was right around the time when the Beta came out, I can't remember if it was during or after. Another thing Bungie has stated in regards to canon is that new material outranks old material in order of canon level. So obviously the game is how things have played out now, so the UNSC [i]did[/i] last a month against the Covenant, there was a form of advance force sent ahead, and the [i]Pillar of Autumn[/i].[/quote] I was directing the "fanboy" comment at the one who called me "whiney" and "stupid". But go ahead. So you are trying to prove our point. Bungie not only broke Canon, but they are also saying that the old Canon no longer exists. Which means Bungie took the lazy way out, and pulled a George Lucas. I want proof that Bungie said that TFoR was no longer Canon. [Edited on 01.20.2011 6:49 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted By:[/b]GrnDragn Bungie has also stated multiple times that both the Books and the Games have the same level of Canon and coincide with eachother. The game does not coincide with the book. However, it seems that you will stretch the truth so long as it means the defense of your precious Hslo: Reach. The book stated that the battle lasted a day. There were no Covenant on Reach before that. A lot of the UNSC fleet was away from Reach in the game and the SMACS seemed to be a one-time thing. In the book, Reach was heavily fortified. And about the game affecting other books, there have been many logical posts stating how Reach can/will effect First Strike and Ghost of Onyx. You seemed to have ignored these. I won't keep typing up these posts. Because I don't really like doing it on my iPod. [/quote] I have not seen any such posts yet, and the ones that I have seen, while logical and well thought out, pertain only to the SIII matter and completely ignore the new information given to us in Halsey's Journal.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GrnDragn [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alf stewert the events are never mentioned in the book at all so the POA wasnt mentioned so it cant b e the fall of reach isnt mentioned with a scout party so it cannot be so your saying "the book didnt mention it so it cannot be?" and I am not a bungie fanboy at all [/quote] The book did mention that the Pillar was not rated for in atmosphere, it never went to the surface, and the battle lasted for a day. And you sure are acting like a Bungie Fanboy. "Bungie did nothing wrong", covers ears, "I can't hear you! Lalalalala!" "Bungie is always right." "You guys just whine!" "Lalalala!"[/quote] your the one with fingers in your ears it's been said a many of time how it fits you just want to be all big saying "I KNOW ALL ABOUT HALO CANON FOLLOW ME MY DESCIPLES!!" You yap on and on and your false, Your words are beneath you

Why thank you, I regard fanboy as a compliment, so feel free to "insult" me all you want, getting mad at something said over the internet by someone I don't know at all is just plain silly, and I will not rise to the bait :P good luck trying to rile me, it won't work. It's not a theory, it is a fact stated by Bungie in one of the weekly updates, I am not going to waste my time digging through the archives however as I have much better things I'd rather be doing. But in case you want to look for yourself it was right around the time when the Beta came out, I can't remember if it was during or after. Another thing Bungie has stated in regards to canon is that new material outranks old material in order of canon level. So obviously the game is how things have played out now, so the UNSC [i]did[/i] last a month against the Covenant, there was a form of advance force sent ahead, and the [i]Pillar of Autumn[/i].

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alf stewert the events are never mentioned in the book at all so the POA wasnt mentioned so it cant b e the fall of reach isnt mentioned with a scout party so it cannot be so your saying "the book didnt mention it so it cannot be?" and I am not a bungie fanboy at all [/quote] The book did mention that the Pillar was not rated for in atmosphere, it never went to the surface, and the battle lasted for a day. And you sure are acting like a Bungie Fanboy. "Bungie did nothing wrong", covers ears, "I can't hear you! Lalalalala!" "Bungie is always right." "You guys just whine!" "Lalalala!" [Edited on 01.20.2011 6:28 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] manwith All the events from the novels still happened. Nothing was changed, just expanded. It never made sense that the Covenant would blindly run into the SMACs protected by hundreds of ships without some sort of strategy.[/quote] I haven't read the new TFoR, but I'm pretty sure there was a significant amount of stuff changed in the book, if I remember some earlier posts correctly. Oh, and that WAS the strategy. The book said that the covenant were willing to sacrifice ships so that the SMACs would be taken out while distracted. The planetary invasion assisted in the defeat of the SMACs. EDIT: Well, the old book said that. If the new book is different from the old book regarding this matter, ignore this post. [Edited on 01.20.2011 6:40 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GrnDragn I don't know why we are debating this. Bungie did screw up the Canon. There are no "buts" about it. You Bungie fanboys will do anything to defend Bungie. This is blind zealotry! And to all the people who debunk "The Fall of Reach" Novel, just be quiet. TFoR came out even before Combat Evolved! It is the first source of Halo Canon. Are there inconsistencies? Yes, but these can be fixed. Halo: Reach... I don't know.[/quote] [quote][b]Posted By:[/b] C0mic Relief The Fall of Reach was not released until after Halo: Combat Evolved. What are you talking about?[/quote] [quote][b]Posted By:[/b] OrderedComa Hello there, welcome to the battlefront, my friend, here's a flame retardant suit. To GrnDragn: I would assume that the Halo story was not very well developed when TFoR came out and that Nylund had to take many creative liberties with the duration of events and the dates of events as well as sequence, and that they have since been retconned in Bungie's own sources (aka Halo Story Bible) as they've shaped their universe. And we are now seeing what Bungie says happened, and rather than just "saying to heck with the fanbase let's do whatever the -blam!- we want" they take the already existing story and move events and dates around or extend some to fit [i]their[/i] story. And a lot of TFoR has been rendered inconsistent with other media in the Haloverse. Contrary to what some are claiming TFoR is the [b][i]only[/i][/b] book affected by Reach. First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx are not affected by it in any way that negatively affects their whole story.[/quote] [quote] After all this time, I don't know if that's ignorance or pure stubbornness that makes you say that. As I've said a long time ago and still hold to this day, what's important is the fact that Bungie changed certain facts that would have a domino effect on media written about and surrounding the entire events of the fall of Reach, though I will admit TFoR is the only novel to be heavily impacted. Btw, Nylund HAD the Halo Bible when he was writing it, and supposedly only had to make minor adjustments to fit the story with the game. Sure, Bungie can do whatever they want with "their" story, but it doesn't mean that it will make it better. Nylund was a better writer for the series than they are. And I should make clear; the canon is not shattered, only stretched and bent. The quality of the story, however, went down the drains with Halo Reach. Maybe the upcoming Halo media will revive it, but Reach was just disappointing.[/quote] Well I know I am not ignorant, though you can feel free to think what you want :P So I would have to say I am stubborn, which I actually am, and determined to not just sit around and start finding fault with every single little detail of the game because it changed the timeline around. How would it affect anything other than TFoR? As far as I've found in my readings of the Halo universe TFoR would be the only media affected by the changes in timeline, as everything else happens after the 30th or on that specific day. I would definitely not say he is a better writer of the story than Bungie, especially since I've never read any sort of writing by them. And writing for video games and books are completely different, you can't really compare them. And besides, I would take anything stated by Bungie in any media relating to them over any information stated by an author in one of the books, seeing as Bungie would know their own story better than someone else. I agree, it has been stretched, and hence evolved into something else, whether the new is better or not is a matter of opinion. I personally think the new is much better than what was, and I certainly don't think that Reach has brought the quality of Halo down at all. Maybe it seems a little bit forced and suffers slightly in that regard as Bungie has said they're tired of making only Halo.[/quote] Just because they were tired of Halo, doesn't mean that they had to destroy/bend the Canon to the extreme. And I think you will find that many don't like how Canon was changed, and if Bungie had such great writers, they sure as hell didn't show it. And whether you think it does or it doesn't, it [i]does[/i] send ripple effects to the other books. It's not just Fall of Reach that will be affected. Eric Nylund was hired by Bungie to make the Fall of Reach in the first place. So I think he deserves some credibility. Reach felt like a random, backwater farming colony with a few frigates and a random Spartan III team shoved in there for the hell of it. I think Eric Nylund did a much better job at creating a story than Bungie did with creating Reach.[/quote] I never said anything about them being tired of Halo being the reason they messed with the way events were before. What I said was the only way it suffered in quality was because it was rushed and they weren't putting their heart into like with the last games because they were tired of working on Halo. I just said video games and books are complete different styles, you simply can't compare them in any affective way without sounding dumb. If you are so convinced that the other books, and not just TFoR, are direly affected by Halo: Reach, then please explain your line of reasoning. And Nylund was not explicitly hired by Bungie, what I've seen has indicated that Nylund came to Microsoft asking to write a book for Halo. That's what the book is for, Bungie did not need to show the full extent of Reach's might because of the book. And they clearly stated in interviews before the game even came out that none of the game would be taking place in areas near the settings of the book.[/quote] Bungie has also stated multiple times that both the Books and the Games have the same level of Canon and coincide with eachother. The game does not coincide with the book. However, it seems that you will stretch the truth so long as it means the defense of your precious Hslo: Reach. The book stated that the battle lasted a day. There were no Covenant on Reach before that. A lot of the UNSC fleet was away from Reach in the game and the SMACS seemed to be a one-time thing. In the book, Reach was heavily fortified. And about the game affecting other books, there have been many logical posts stating how Reach can/will effect First Strike and Ghost of Onyx. You seemed to have ignored these. I won't keep typing up these posts. Because I don't really like doing it on my iPod.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alf stewert [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GrnDragn [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alf stewert [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] haloplayer2kill [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GrnDragn I don't know why we are debating this. Bungie did screw up the Canon. There are no "buts" about it. You Bungie fanboys will do anything to defend Bungie. This is blind zealotry! And to all the people who debunk "The Fall of Reach" Novel, just be quiet. TFoR came out even before Combat Evolved! It is the first source of Halo Canon. Are there inconsistencies? Yes, but these can be fixed. Halo: Reach... I don't know.[/quote] The Fall of Reach was not released until after Halo: Combat Evolved. What are you talking about?[/quote] Hello there, welcome to the battlefront, my friend, here's a flame retardant suit. To GrnDragn: I would assume that the Halo story was not very well developed when TFoR came out and that Nylund had to take many creative liberties with the duration of events and the dates of events as well as sequence, and that they have since been retconned in Bungie's own sources (aka Halo Story Bible) as they've shaped their universe. And we are now seeing what Bungie says happened, and rather than just "saying to heck with the fanbase let's do whatever the -blam!- we want" they take the already existing story and move events and dates around or extend some to fit [i]their[/i] story. And a lot of TFoR has been rendered inconsistent with other media in the Haloverse. Contrary to what some are claiming TFoR is the [b][i]only[/i][/b] book affected by Reach. First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx are not affected by it in any way that negatively affects their whole story.[/quote] How can you say TFOR was the ONLY book affected? When Master Chief returned to Reach in First Strike, he met the surviving spartan 2's of that battle. The battle was heavily mentioned in that book. The survival of those spartans, and where they were, all happened because of many events in TFOR, that now seem to be non-canon. Some of these spartan 2's also show up in GoO. Its the butterfly effect. It's like bungie went back in time in the haloverse and changed events, you can't just expect those events to change and not anything else. Those changed events will affect a new changed future. In this new future Hasley may never even go to Onyx, for there were many events that built up to that moment, ones built on each other. Certain events she participated in the book TFOR, seem to have become non-canon. Originally those events affect her events in First Strike and GoO (originally Hasley knew nothing about the spartan 3's during the fall of reach). Also in the new timeline a spartan 3 has survived, named jun. So think how this will affect the new future with Hasley's early knowledge of the Spartan 3 project as well as another spartan. By having the battle of reach for more then 1 day is a HUGE problem, including the PoA being on Reach. Think of Halo canon has a building under construction. Level's are built on previous levels, each affecting each other. Bungie has removed some of the original levels to that building. [/quote] bunge only redid repolished and Connected levels to fit it's been said a many times how it all fits and now people are just being to nitpicky[/quote] It still doesn't fit the original Canon! Honestly, are you so blinded by Bungie that you can't see that? In the first 5 minutes of the game, the Canon was bent to all-hell. As the game progressed, it became worse and worse![/quote]It does fit Why? cause it is a DIFFERENT perspective of a Story such as pulp ficiton had different perspective with different view holes, we see a different story a different light on a situation and we go crazy cause we dont think it fits, if you Guys would stop being A holes towards nitpicking everything you would see reach is a side story a behind the scenes of the start of the downfall of reach. again you guys whine and winge about it BUT!! it's been explained you saying it hasnt is wrong the journal clears it up, But "no impossible" *Sign* Ill say it and continue to say it Reach is a side story to the book Oh and saying it needs to clear up when it has is stupid so stop saying it needs to be cleared up IT HAS!![/quote] I can see you're a Fanboy, so this will never end. But will say it doesn't fit. The Covenant Fleet arrived on August 30. There was no advanced scout party that fought them for a month. The Covenant came in, wrecked the UNSC, but they too sustained heavy casualties, and won. All in one day. To be a "side story" to the book, it has to work with the established canon of the book. It doesn't. The book says the Battle of Reach lated for a day, the game says one month. The Game says that the POA landed on Reach, the book says that not only was it not on the ground, it couldn't go in atmosphere! Your "side story" theory has been debunked.[/quote]the events are never mentioned in the book at all so the POA wasnt mentioned so it cant b e the fall of reach isnt mentioned with a scout party so it cannot be so your saying "the book didnt mention it so it cannot be?" and I am not a bungie fanboy at all

Ive read through this this thread seeing paragraph after paragraph about how Halo:Reach either Ruined Halo FOREVER!!!! or how it somehow fits. At this point i just dont care anymore. as long as the events of both can be put together in a slightly flexible timeline in my opinion the exact dates and time dont matter.