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4/24/2010 12:51:36 AM
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The Return of the Spiker: My Argument for its Revival. Updated 2!

[quote][b]Warning: Thread contains Inductive Reasoning[/b] Commenting after reading this thread without understanding the nuances of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_reasoning]Inductive Reasoning[/url] may result in mass ridicule. [b]Warning: Original Poster sucks at writing succinctly [/b] For those of you who lack the stamina required to read well thought-out essays: you have been warned, I will make no compromises for your lack of focus.[/quote] [quote][b]New Information![/b] Scroll down to the 7th post to read about a recent discovery that strongly points to the Spiker's return in Reach! It's more or less indirectly confirmed now! [b]New Information![/b] Scroll down to the 7th post to see a picture from E3 where a Spiker can be spotted in the hands of a Brute. [b]New Information![/b] Scroll down to the 7th post to see the first Video Footage of the Spiker being used by the Player![/quote] [quote][/quote][b]Introduction[/b][quote][/quote] Today I am here to discuss the past, the present, and the future of the [url=http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=12237]Type-25 Carbine[/url]. Adept at filling the air with swarms of low-velocity superheated spikes, the "Spiker" is the primary weapon of choice for Brute Infantry. It is dual-wieldable, unique, awesome, and happens to be my favorite weapon in Halo. Ever since that summer day in my AP Physics class where my class mates and I huddled around a single computer to watch the first Halo Reach Trailer with wonder and excitement in our eyes, I've been searching for signs of the Spiker in Reach. At the time of this writing, the Spiker has not been confirmed to be in or out of Reach by Bungie, and its inclusion or removal has been a fairly frequent topic in the Halo Reach Forum. Although I have posted in many of these threads, sharing different evidence, insights, and reasoning, I've yet to hone and sharpen my thoughts and unite them together into one masterpiece. But now, after nearly a month of brainstorming, drafting, and revising, I bring you my evidence for why I believe it is likely that the Spiker will return in Halo Reach. I've worked hard to step away from my emotions and fairly evaluate the probability of the Spiker returning in Reach with cold hard facts and intelligence. I've crafted this thread with several groups of people in mind. First, for the intellectuals of the forum. Please, examine my argument, attack it with everything you have, and try to break it. You did a very good job of this with my [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=41989722]Spartan Laser Thread[/url]. Because you broke that argument completely, it helped me to understand why the Spartan Laser's return in Halo Reach wasn't as bad as I originally thought. Don't expect it to be so easy this time around however, my "hate" of the Spartan Laser is insignificant compared to my Love for the Spiker. Second, for the people who might have seen me on the forums, but just assumed that I am some sort of Spiker Fan Boy who believes that the Spiker will be in Reach because [i]"Bungie wouldn't dare mess with my favorite weapon."[/i] Please learn how horrifically wrong you are. I've put a lot of thought into this, and I won't have you writing me off until you hear the full story. There is a reason to why I say [i]"The Spiker is likely to return in Reach"[/i] with such confidence. Finally, to the people who blindly trust every word I say, I'd at least want to give you some background to why I came to this conclusion so that if you ever find yourself under attack for claiming that the Spiker will return in Reach, you will at least know how to go about defending yourself. [quote][/quote][i]"Why do you think the Spiker will be in Reach"[/i] you ask? This is a bit of a difficult question to answer, and I'm not sure exactly where I should start. As a writer, it's much easier for me to explain my theory to you by presenting the common arguments for why the Spiker won't be in Reach, then counter them one by one. I've compiled six major arguments today, and I am willing to add more should you people craft some new ones which challenge my conclusion. The original post is comprised of seven posts total, so I wish you luck with finishing it. [quote][/quote][quote][b]Argument 1)[/b] [i]Spikers are weapons used only by Brutes. I heard that there won't be any Brutes in Halo Reach, so it makes no sense for there to be Spikers in Halo Reach.[/i][/quote][quote][/quote] This argument commonly comes from people who haven't been following the development of this game closely. There is no crime in making an assumption like this when you don't have all the details available for you to digest, so allow me to quickly and kindly correct your misunderstanding. Brutes are in Reach. They have been indirectly confirmed twice by Bungie. The first time that they were confirmed was in the First Halo Reach Vidoc: [url=http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/vidaudio.aspx?c=58&i=24782]Once More Unto The Breach[/url]. At about 4:33 into the video, you will clearly see an artist working on a new brute model for Halo Reach (the brute model is on the left screen, Brute concept art from Halo 3 is on the right screen). For those of you who are lazy and don't mind my funny red annotations, I have a [url=http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab249/Hylebosaiden/Bnet%20Image%20Resources/OMGBRUTES.jpg]screencap[/url] of this picture for your viewing pleasure. Why would they show footage in the vidoc of a character model that won't be in the final game? The second time that they were confirmed was in the [url=http://downloads.bungie.net/podcasts/Bungie_Podcast_30910.mp3]03/09/10 Bungie Podcast[/url]. The guest of this show was the Reach Audio Lead: Jay Weinland. At about 30 minutes into the podcast, the following exchange occurs: [quote] [b]29:58 Brian Jarrard:[/b] And then I guess you guys are also dealing with redefining a Grunt speaking a native dialog versus an Elite versus all of the Covenant. [b]Jay Weinland:[/b] Yup, it's a totally different take there I guess, totally different take, and we've come up with a way to actually write English words and then transmogrify them into an Alien Language which... [b]Brian Jarrard:[/b] Yeah, I heard that a real formal language was created, sort of melding together some other things that are out there and then you guys are like: "guess we'll apply some processing to the final recording to make..." [b]Jay Weinland:[/b] Yeah, apply some processing to make it sound more [b][u]Brutey[/b][/u], or more Elitey, or more Grunty. [b]Brian Jarrard:[/b] That's awesome. [b]Jay Weinland:[/b] So yeah, that's going to be good times, we've already recorded a couple of grunts, we're getting our Elites and [b][u]Brutes[/u][/b] here in Seattle. [/quote] Why would they need to record dialog for Brutes if they aren't going to be in the game? Now, some of you might not be entirely convinced. I've heard all sorts of justifications for why Brutes won't be in Reach despite the prior two bits of evidence. [i]"Brutes will be in cut scenes only and we won't ever fight them"[/i] or [i]"Bungie says that all details are subject to change, so they could easily come to their senses and removes Brutes from Reach before they ruin Campaign."[/i] To be blunt, these are feeble weak arguments which aren't likely to occur. I understand that some of you people may be nervous about reintroducing Brutes into Halo Reach when they didn't do so well in Halo 2 or Halo 3, but there are a variety of reasons why Brutes in Reach won't suck as much as in prior games. The important thing is that there are Brutes in the game, so we know that Spikers won't be taken out just because Brutes are absent. But Brutes have not been as consistent in their presentation throughout previous Halo games, which brings us to our next argument. [quote][/quote][b]Continued on Page 2[/b][quote][/quote] [Edited on 09.09.2010 5:46 PM PDT]
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  • I really hope its still full-auto and not semi, this game is lacking full-auto weapons.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos I mean, when Brutes single wielded Spikers in Halo 3, they used only one hand, and it looked pretty lame to me. But this hunched over posture they have when they are wielding the Spiker in Reach looks much better.[/quote]I don't know, the Spiker would have to become much bigger. A Brute hunched over an H3 Spiker holding it with both hands wouldn't look lame, it'd look silly. I mean, this giant ape using all of his arm power, and a good portion of his body just to hold that one tiny thing steady? That wouldn't make any sense. Of course, this could be evidence for something like a Spike Repeater, or it could just be a bigger Spiker model, but a Brute like the one in your picture (the E3 one in the OP) hunched over an H3 Spiker would look really bad.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WarpFactor10 Wow, dude. I just finished reading your entire entry, and I must inform you. You have a lot to learn about being concise. [/quote] That word means nothing to me.

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  • I like the spiker... It should return.

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  • i didn't read the post but you got what you want... good job!!! (shouldn't you be using your intelligence for school or uni or whatever you do instead of a dam weapon in a video game) you will go far in life with these skills you have, yet you are using them on a vidoe game forum.

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  • Wow, dude. I just finished reading your entire entry, and I must inform you. You have a lot to learn about being concise. I suggest you re-read your article out loud to yourself and, as you do so, ask yourself if each particular point is truly conducive to your principle idea. I've decided to terminate the growing list of revisions I have begun to compile seeing as it is two in the morning here and the Spiker has already been confirmed, making this entire argument now void. In the future; however, please re-read your article before posting. All you really had to say was this: [quote] Question: Should there be a Spiker in Reach?[/quote] [quote] Answer: Well, Why not? [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Brute]Link to complete history of the Brutes[/url] [/quote]

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  • I think its common sense for bungie to bring it back because if you bring back brutes you must bring back their tech. If not people would be wondering why isn't their iconic weaponry gone?

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  • well, without duel-wielding I see no purpose to it. Sage said each weopon fits into a particular roll, and I just don't see the spiker serving any purpose. If it's in the game, cool I guess. But I frankly would be happier with a magnum. The spiker is unnacurate and not powerfull. But who knows maybe bungie will make the weopon worth while.

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  • Perhaps the spikes would now do more damage, but have a slower RoF in order to function different from the AR and PR counterparts? If the Mauler's gone, all the more the Spiker can be more of Spike-Mauler hybrid, gameplay wise.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Neptune The question is that, how exactly [i]powerful[/i] is the Spiker in Reach? Brutes seem to be using 2 hands now, so I am assuming it's more of their counterpart to the Assault Rifle and Plasma Repeater?[/quote] That'd be nice if it was as strong as the AR, but the fact that Brutes wield it with two hands now has likely to do more with aesthetics than functionality. I mean, when Brutes single wielded Spikers in Halo 3, they used only one hand, and it looked pretty lame to me. But this hunched over posture they have when they are wielding the Spiker in Reach looks much better.

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  • The question is that, how exactly [i]powerful[/i] is the Spiker in Reach? Brutes seem to be using 2 hands now, so I am assuming it's more of their counterpart to the Assault Rifle and Plasma Repeater?

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  • Hylebos wins! Die haters!

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  • ^^^ it is didn't you see the latest trailer?

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  • I think I remember you OP, you made a super long TL;DR post on the super impolite ranting thread in the Beta Feedback forums. That was pretty funny, but you're super serious here. I read the majority of your post and I am pleased to see such a thoughtful, well formed argument. So you have my support. I hope the Spiker makes it in Reach too. :D [Edited on 06.16.2010 8:21 AM PDT]

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    The spiker prevails after all! [Edited on 06.16.2010 7:58 AM PDT]

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  • Spiker shown in new trailer multiple times This thread can come to a happy close /thread

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  • Spikers are in Reach. [url=http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/images.aspx?c=53&i=26973]Here's a pic of it[/url]

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  • well ,Hylebos will be very happy that his beloved spiker is officially confirmed. thanks to 10 seconds into the new firefight trailer. :)

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  • the spiker better be better than it was in halo 3. it has a lot of potential

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROCK3TTman24 this guy has some serious issues if he spent hours talking about a weapon in a game. go outside and get some sunshine.[/quote] This guy has some serious issues if he spends his free time complaining about random people over the internet on a video game website.

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  • Yep spikers will be in there.. look at the new firefight vid at 0:28 when the brute gets killed... near to him is a spiker which he has dropped.

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  • Good one, It is returning, they featured it on the E3 trailer for firefight :)

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  • You made them do it after some many threads about the spiker and some many posts from you they added the spiker.

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  • I love the spiker as well and Im hoping the its in machmaking, in in firefight and campain for sure tho.

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  • Im glad you got your wish, maybe ill start using the spiker

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  • They put it in just for you. Just for you.

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