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THE NEW IP Bungie Formula:Durandal, Cortana, Joyeuse?

***Long friggin' post alert!*** [u]THIS IS A REVISED VERSION![/u] [quote][u]PLEASE FAVORITE THIS THREAD FOR FURTHER UPDATES![/u][/quote] The vast majority of my edits are due to [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=40929715&postRepeater1-p=8#41730446]Ender's post here[/url] among others. I will cite him as much as possible in here. [quote]"My name is Cortana, of the same steel and temper as Joyeuse and Durendal."[/quote] [b]Reader's Digest Version-ish[/b] This quote is the focus of my theory for a "formula" for Bungie trilogies. The quote above speaks of three famous swords that had once come together in battle. The three swords seem to correspond with two of the AIs from Marathon (Durandal) and Halo (Cortana). The third sword, Joyeuse, is the mystery AI and holder. If the first two swords can be proven to purposely correspond with the game characters, then perhaps Joyeuse and its holder (Charlemagne) is what the new IP's characters will be like. This theory also ties into several other theories. But in order to connect them while making sense, I must explain how and why the AIs and their swords correspond. As you read, keep [url=http://marathongame.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page]Pfhorpedia[/url] handy if you're not in tune with the Marathon universe. While we're at it, [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page]this[/url] and [url=http://marathon.bungie.org/story/]this[/url] may come in handy. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY THE MARATHON TRILOGY YOURSELF: Download the games through [url=http://source.bungie.org/index.php?title=Get_Marathon]Aleph One[/url]. We'll be talking a lot of Marathon in here, my friends. So to set the mood: ***JUMP PAD ACTIVATION INITIATION START*** ***TRANSPORT WHEN READY*** Dear reader, This is going to be a huge post. A [i]good[/i] post, but a long one. I mean, this [i]will[/i] take several slots to cover. So, grab a nice cup of coffee and a pair of reading glasses or something that will keep you awake and in your chair. Until the coffee passes though. [b]I will also ask you to take this thing with a pinch of salt[/b]. I don't know if this is the truth in its entirety, and you probably don't either. Unless you're someone like Joe Staten or Jason Jones who's [i]really[/i] bored on a coffee break and stumbled upon this thing. Then, of course, you'd know if this is dumb speculation or not. Wishful thinking, right? [u]Please, please, please!!![/u] Give me feedback on this, tell me about anything you may dig up on this stuff, and if any of my facts/lore/spelling/[b]grammer[/b]/bad jokes/historical events are incorrect. ***JUMP PAD ACTIVATION INITIATION START*** ***TRANSPORT WHEN READY*** [quote]Durandal-Durendal (Endurance- True definition unknown)*[/quote] *The name probably comes from the French verb "durer", "to endure". [u]Sword Info:[/u] In The Song of Roland, the sword is said to contain within its golden hilt one tooth of Saint Peter, blood of Saint Basil, hair of Saint Denis, and a piece of the raiment of the Blessed Virgin Mary. In the poem, *[i]Roland attempts to break Durendal by smiting it against a marble block ten times. This proves fruitless. The myth of him creating La Brèche is merely a folktale of the land. It is not stated as such in La Chanson de Roland (The Song of Roland).[/i] According to Ludovico Ariosto's Orlando Furioso it once belonged to Hector of Troy, and was given to Roland by Maugris. *[i]Orlando Furioso is a work created centuries after La Chanson do Roland. In La Chanson, it is made clear that Charlemagne was given instructions by the angel Gabriel to let Roland wield Durendal.[/i] By Ender. In [i]Marathon[/i], Durandal [u]told the player[/u] that he did not want to suffer the same fate as Leela, so he asked to be destroyed.* The player finds out that Durandal was not actually destroyed, just as Roland couldn't destroy the sword. (Note that the fate of Leela turned out to be completely different and that Durandal didn't actually want to be destroyed. He was loopy and rampant.) *[i]Please note that Durandal's request to be destroyed was part of a plot of his own, and not an honest request and that Leela was not actually destroyed either.[/i] [b]Holders:[/b] Hector of Troy and Count Roland Note: [i]MRN54 [url=http://www.marathon.org/story/mjolnir.html]may or may not be you[/url].[/i] [u]Hector of Troy & Mjolnir Recon Number 54[/u] (Not the forum ninja) Hector was a Trojan prince and the greatest fighter of Troy in the Trojan War and the son of Priam and Hecuba, a descendant of Dardanus (son of Zeus and Electra). Because Hector was a descendant of several gods, he would in theory be a hybrid of sorts. The parallel here is that MRN54 [i]is[/i] a cyborg and a fighter. From Marathon.Bungie.Org: [quote] There are those references to your physical ability: [i]You slam your fist in frustration onto the control panel[/i](Manual page 2) Whether this is of significance or not depends largely on what material the control panel is made of. We have no information on this. [i]It's funny, but you've always been the colony's trouble shooter. You're bigger and stronger, and a better shot. In games, you always scored the most points and looked the hero. (Manual page 2)[/i] [/quote]. [quote] Alas! the gods have lured me on to my destruction. ... death is now indeed exceedingly near at hand and there is no way out of it- for so Zeus and his son Apollo the far-darter have willed it, though heretofore they have been ever ready to protect me.} My doom has come upon me; let me not then die ingloriously and without a struggle, but let me first do some great thing that shall be told among men hereafter." -Spoken by Hector facing Achilles, after a missed spear-throw, The Iliad Book XXII Lines 299-305.[/quote] This quote could represent the AIs in the trilogy toying and luring the player towards his destruction or towards their will. The AIs had protected the player for their plans, and in a sense, the player was doomed to what they had in store for him. [u]Count Roland & MRN54:[/u] The tale of Roland's death is retold in the eleventh century poem [i]The Song of Roland[/i], where he is equipped with an unbreakable sword, enchanted by various Christian relics, named Durendal. As said earlier, Roland couldn't break the sword, just as MRN54 couldn't break Durandal throughout the trilogy. Orlando Furiouso (among other works) includes Roland's battle with a Saracen giant named Ferracutus who is only vulnerable at his navel. The W'rkncacnter; a being(s) seemingly indestructible may have been a reference to Ferractus. The Sacren's navel may have been represented by activating a Jjaro station to trap the W'rkncacnter. [quote] [i]To stop the Pfhor from their folly and our demise, you must activate the ancient station that Yrro used eons ago to trap the W'rkncacnter. If we can activate it in time, it will crush the Pfhor fleet before we're all destroyed.[/i] *You Think You're Big Time? You're Gonna Die Big Time! (Terminal 1)*[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ender If we restrict our view to the first Marathon game, it is more likely that the Ferracutus analogy is to The Pfhor. They are larger in numbers, more technologically advanced, and ready to squash us. We, however, find that they rely heavily on the S'pht slaves they captured. Durandal instructs us to free them and we do so, allowing a rebellion to unfold, crushing the Pfhor attack.[/quote] At last, a confirmation (one of many) of the connection between Roland's sword and your well behaved AI (Yes, that was sarcasm): The first terminal on Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! relates the tale of Count Roland, who near death, attempts to break his sword to prevent it from being taken by the Saracens. [quote][i]Count Roland smites upon the marble stone; I cannot tell you how he hewed it and smote; Yet the blade breaks not nor splinters, though it groans; Upward to heaven it rebounds from the blow. When the count sees it never will be broke, Then to himself right softly he makes moan; 'Ah, Durandal, fair, hallowed, and devote, What store of relics lies in thy hilt of gold!' -From The Song of Roland (Translated by Dorothy Sayers, Viking Penguin, NY, NY, 1957)[/i] *Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! (Terminal 1)*[/quote] [u]Roland and Charlemagne references by Durandal:[/u] -[url=http://marathon.bungie.org/story/sphtkr.html#Feel%20the%20Noise]Feel the noise[/url] -[url=http://marathon.bungie.org/story/roland.html]Roland[/url] By gathering this information, I can say with confidence that Durandal is [i]defiantly[/i] the spitting AI image of the sword Durendal, and that it's holders Roland and Hector are the inspiration for MRN54's situation involving the AIs in Marathon; specifically Durandal. ***JUMP PAD ACTIVATION INITIATION START*** ***TRANSPORT WHEN READY** [Edited on 02.12.2011 1:12 PM PST]

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  • Well, that's where this can get complicated. If the mythological swords and the AIs are to parallel, characters in both universes (European mythology and the IP universe) need to exist. Ugh. I'll come back to you with a good example after I grab some coffee. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] R Rod [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 But would that make Halsey, Charlemagne? I, personally, try to keep this theory within the core trilogy games, and out of the books for the most part. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lantus Nova I think Joyeuse is Deja, she's locked up in Reach, right? And she "knighted" Chief, I guess not really, but still.[/quote][/quote] It seems like all the names of the swords are almost exactly the same names as the AIs, so I don't think it's Deja. I think Aerospace will show us more when it's revealed.[/quote]

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  • . [Edited on 06.23.2011 11:42 AM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 But would that make Halsey, Charlemagne? I, personally, try to keep this theory within the core trilogy games, and out of the books for the most part. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lantus Nova I think Joyeuse is Deja, she's locked up in Reach, right? And she "knighted" Chief, I guess not really, but still.[/quote][/quote] It seems like all the names of the swords are almost exactly the same names as the AIs, so I don't think it's Deja. I think Aerospace will show us more when it's revealed. [Edited on 06.23.2011 11:42 AM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lantus Nova [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 But would that make Halsey, Charlemagne? I, personally, try to keep this theory within the core trilogy games, and out of the books for the most part. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lantus Nova I think Joyeuse is Deja, she's locked up in Reach, right? And she "knighted" Chief, I guess not really, but still.[/quote][/quote]According to wikipedia, Roland was Charlemagne's nephew. [/quote]I already knew that. Anyways, it's nearing Bungie day! Although we won't see anything of the new IP, we will see Aerospace... and maybe a hint or ARG pertaining to the new canon as well?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 But would that make Halsey, Charlemagne? I, personally, try to keep this theory within the core trilogy games, and out of the books for the most part. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lantus Nova I think Joyeuse is Deja, she's locked up in Reach, right? And she "knighted" Chief, I guess not really, but still.[/quote][/quote]According to wikipedia, Roland was Charlemagne's nephew. [Edited on 06.13.2011 9:58 AM PDT]

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  • But would that make Halsey, Charlemagne? I, personally, try to keep this theory within the core trilogy games, and out of the books for the most part. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lantus Nova I think Joyeuse is Deja, she's locked up in Reach, right? And she "knighted" Chief, I guess not really, but still.[/quote]

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  • I think Joyeuse is Deja, she's locked up in Reach, right? And she "knighted" Chief, I guess not really, but still. [Edited on 06.13.2011 8:24 AM PDT]

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  • Thanks. But for everyone reading, please don't take my word for it. I remember talking to a friend during PAX who pointed out the fact that there are many new people at Bungie, and if the Duranda-Cortana-Joyeuse plan exited, it may be changed or even thrown out because of the new ideas and people in the company. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HALO3syourdaddy Holy book. Good read =P... you have me convinced.[/quote]

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  • If OP is right, I declare him/her god.

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  • Those webcam photos have been up for a while, actually. I should really check the webcam thread in the Septagon to see when they first popped up, because I really don't remember when they did; I just know that it was a while back (probably last October). [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alex the Awesome [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xgeua Hey look what I found. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Inside/Webcam.ashx?camera=2]This[/url] is a picture from the Bungie webcam. It is called the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._M._Keck_Observatory]W. M. Keck Observatory[/url]. (Its the two similar looking ones. Not the zoomed in one). Near the bottom, under Instruments, there is something called [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSIRIS]Osiris[/url], also the name of one of the Bungie trademarks. Its probaby a coincidence but who knows.[/quote] Hmmm, the latest webcam images... Aerospace t-shirt related...[/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xgeua Hey look what I found. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Inside/Webcam.ashx?camera=2]This[/url] is a picture from the Bungie webcam. It is called the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._M._Keck_Observatory]W. M. Keck Observatory[/url]. (Its the two similar looking ones. Not the zoomed in one). Near the bottom, under Instruments, there is something called [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSIRIS]Osiris[/url], also the name of one of the Bungie trademarks. Its probaby a coincidence but who knows.[/quote] Hmmm, the latest webcam images... Aerospace t-shirt related...

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xgeua Hey look what I found. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Inside/Webcam.ashx?camera=2]This[/url] is a picture from the Bungie webcam. It is called the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._M._Keck_Observatory]W. M. Keck Observatory[/url]. (Its the two similar looking ones. Not the zoomed in one). Near the bottom, under Instruments, there is something called [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSIRIS]Osiris[/url], also the name of one of the Bungie trademarks. Its probaby a coincidence but who knows.[/quote]0_o!!!!!!

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  • (y) [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Duardo People should save this so it will become a Top Forum Topic. *saves thread*[/quote]

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  • Hey look what I found. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Inside/Webcam.ashx?camera=2]This[/url] is a picture from the Bungie webcam. It is called the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._M._Keck_Observatory]W. M. Keck Observatory[/url]. (Its the two similar looking ones. Not the zoomed in one). Near the bottom, under Instruments, there is something called [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSIRIS]Osiris[/url], also the name of one of the Bungie trademarks. Its probaby a coincidence but who knows. [Edited on 05.12.2011 2:49 AM PDT]

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  • Dead Orbit sounds more like another sci-fi shooter to me. Not like another space opera like Halo was but something...dark...gritty.

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  • Wow.. great stuff Cortana.. just finished reading both of your threads. A lot of great thought and research, which I love to see. :) Wish I knew a bit more about these pieces of literature, in order to better contribute, but as it is, I will save this thread, and continue to watch for more ideas! :D

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  • Threads kinda dying, so its time for a BUMP Diddly BUMP BUMP!

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  • Holy book. Good read =P... you have me convinced.

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  • I'm not suggesting anyone crossing universes. I'm making [i]theoretical parallels[/i] between characters from different universes. MRN54 and the Master Chief are two completely different people, but in terms of plot, they parallel. The same rule goes for Durandal. I'm not sure if there's any specific AI in the Haloverse that would parallel Durandal very well. For the most part, the characters in Halo and Marathon don't exactly parallel. The plots just parallel European history/mythology. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BlueScarabGuy Also, somebody said something earlier about MR54 and Master Chief being the same person in different universes, but you said you didn't like the Idea of Durandal somehow getting into the Halo universe. Well, what if, through some sort of bending of the fabric of the multiverse, Durandal is Medicant Bias?[/quote]

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  • Is it just me or is Leela's capture by the Pfor an inspiration for Cortana being mind probed by the Gravemind?

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  • Also, somebody said something earlier about MR54 and Master Chief being the same person in different universes, but you said you didn't like the Idea of Durandal somehow getting into the Halo universe. Well, what if, through some sort of bending of the fabric of the multiverse, Durandal is Medicant Bias?

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  • I just though of something. You have the marathon symbol in marathon, the marathon symbol and [url=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421153108/halo/images/thumb/f/f6/Main-Forerunner.png/200px-Main-Forerunner.png]this Forerunner symbol[/url] appearring in forerunner stuff in halo, so maybe the above symbol has something to do with the new IP/Joyeuse?

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  • PLEASE DONT MAKE HALO FOR PS3 PLEASE

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  • Great post. Linking to a long post I had about this topic in another thread you created, Cortana 5: [url]http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=56466577&viewreplies=true#end[/url] Near the bottom. [Edited on 02.13.2011 12:22 AM PST]

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  • But nothing has confirmed Bungie making an MMO, other than speculation. Bungie signed the deal because they wanted someone that would just give them money to make a game, and then allow Bungie to keep the IP. Let me emphasize: Nobody has confirmed an MMO. Speculation over Staten's weird statements and Blizzard answering theoretical questions are why people are shouting "MMO!" Oh, and Bungie said that the studio was working on a NEW universe. NEW. Not Marathon, not Halo (duhhh), not Myth, Oni, PiD, or P@S. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Traxus 04 Blizzard have expertise AND infrastructure in place to run MMO games, and that may very well be the reason Bungie signed a deal with them. In the case of most games, the publisher is more or less irrelevant except for funding, but in the case of MMOs the publisher becomes much more involved. Anyway, here's a thought: the new Bungie game will be set on board Marathon, except *during* it's journey to Tau Ceti. So it will be an MMO, but with a timeline already in place. Eventually the ship would reach Tau Ceti and the MMO community (who by this time would have honed their combat and trading and organisation skills) would get to play out the destiny of the human colonists in their battle with the Phor (whether on Marathon or planet side). [/quote]

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  • Blizzard have expertise AND infrastructure in place to run MMO games, and that may very well be the reason Bungie signed a deal with them. In the case of most games, the publisher is more or less irrelevant except for funding, but in the case of MMOs the publisher becomes much more involved. Anyway, here's a thought: the new Bungie game will be set on board Marathon, except *during* it's journey to Tau Ceti. So it will be an MMO, but with a timeline already in place. Eventually the ship would reach Tau Ceti and the MMO community (who by this time would have honed their combat and trading and organisation skills) would get to play out the destiny of the human colonists in their battle with the Phor (whether on Marathon or planet side).

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