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Little guide to the knowledge of the PC

[b]*WARNING DO NOT BUY SAPHIRE RADEON 9800PRO[/b] [*][color=white]This might help you if you consider upgrading your computer. First off , this guide is dedicated to the people who have no knowledge about computer and who think that a celeron 2.8ghz is better than a duron 1.4 ghz. If you dont know what those 2 word means.....realy read this post. 1- The Cpu (Central Processing Unit) Your CPU is used to calculate things (YIPE) like player position, shadow, bullet speed, damage and about everything else that need to be calculated. In fact games that has some complex AI (if you dont know what AI mean .... go watch Red vs Blue ..... If you dont know whta is red vs blue leave this forum now) will need a better CPU (Like the halo campain). Your cpu has ALMOST nothing to do with the visual appearence of a game (This is handled by the video card) so if you want better visual and you have an half decent cpu dont even bother upgrading it. ........So lets go into details There is 2 brand of cpu : INTEL (INTegrated ELectronic) and AMD (Advanced Micro Device) INTEL Pentium 1 Play game that are 10 years old .... if you want to play halo or any other game get a newer CPU Pentium 2 Same things as pentium 1 Pentium 3 This CPU is the minimum to play today game and its the VERY minimum. P3 range from 450 to 1300 mhz. If you have a P3 with less than 800 mhz you will not be able to play halo. With more than 800mhz you will be able to play halo (or some other new games) but with poor performance. Pentium 4 There is 4 variant of the p4 : The P4a , the P4b , the P4c and the P4e P4a (1.3ghz to 1.8ghz) Mhz for Mhz the p3 is better than those CPU. The P4a is a rushed CPU made by intel to compete with the AMD. Those CPU were and are still a waste of money. Those cpu were replaced by the P4b. Using a p4a you will be able to play halo with some good fps (depending on the speed of it and of your video card) but in the campain and in medium fight you will notice some major slow down... P4b (1.8ghz to 2.6ghz (i do think that there is a 2.8ghz version)) A much better version of the P4. Still weaker than the AMD variant those p4 offer good perfomance in every game including halo. With a cpu like this (still depend on his speed) you will be able to play halo with good fps with some minor slowdown in big fight. P4c (2.4ghz to 3.4ghz) also called NORTHWOOD The best series of P4. Those cpu are very powerfull and are only beaten by the more recent AMD 64bit CPU. With a cpu like this you should be able (if you have a good video card) to play halo with almost no slow down of any kind. (Those cpu are also good overclocker). If you want this CPU to perform to his max you MUST have dual channel ram (more on that later). P4e (2.4ghz to 3.4ghz) also called PRESCOTT In one word : WASTE. Those cpu perform less than the "c" version of the p4 and HEAT A LOT. If you buy this cpu you will no longer need to heat your room during winter. Celeron (any kind) Pure waste of silicon and money. Those cpu are a shame. Take your money and go buya real cpu. In fact a 2.4ghz Celeron is 50 to 70 % slower than a cheap (30$) AMD Duron 1400mhz. If you play halo with this cpu you will get some major slow down even in calm zone. P4 extreme A VERY VERY expensive Cpu. If you play halo with this cpu you not notice any lag even in the biggest fight. For 1000$+ those cpu are a waste of money over the less expensive athlon 64 who offer equivalent performance. AMD NOTE : THE NUMBER THAT REPRESENT THE CPU (EX: 3200+) DO NOT REPRESENT THE CLOCK SPEED (A 3200+ run at 2.2ghz) but dont be fooled clock rate do not represent speed. Ex: A A64 3400+ at 2.4 ghz is faster than a p4c 3.2ghz. K6 Waste. Athlon "no xp" (600 to 1400mhz) Those cpu perform a little less than the p3 With a 800 mhz Athlon or more you SHOULD be able to play halo with 5 fps (Frame per second) Athlon xp (1400+ to 3200+) Those cpu are cheap, fast, stable....(speed depend on the model) Generaly those cpu are the best choice for a cheap and good pc. Cheaper than the best celeron the slowest athlon xp (1400+) can triple the performance of the celeron. Go figure... Those CPU will play halo very well depending on the model. 1400 to 2000 = Small slowdown in big battle 2200 to 3200 = Very good performance Athlon 64 (2800, 3000, 3200, 3400) The A64 2800 is litterally the best price/performance cpu out there. The A64 3400 is among the best cpu ever made so far. For the price those cpu are great , and 64 bit is a bonus. Any of those CPU play halo with no lag of any kind. :D (Those are my personnal favorite) Athlon FX (51-53) Pretty much like the P4 Extreme edition but ..... faster and with 64 bit (more like a bonus). Those are simply the fastest. If you have problem playing halo with those one you are smoking good things or you have a very bad video card. 2-The video card The video card is the what generate all the beatifull effect in a game (ie: halo). There is 2 company who make video card : ATI and NVIDIA (Any other brand is PURE waste). The better your video card the faster the frame will go (FPS : frame per second). Cards will be classified like this: -Name: xxxxxxx -Memory: xxx -Speed: xx/10 -Comment: xxxxxxxxxxx NVIDIA -Name: Geforce 256 and less -Memory: 16,32 or 64 -Speed: 0.5/10 -Comment: i would not bother playing halo with this. -Name: Geforce2 -Memory: 16,32 or 64 -Speed: 1.5/10 -Comment: Fair performance for its age and very low price. -Name: Geforce2 mx -Memory: 32 or 64 -Speed: 0.2/10 -Comment: Forget it. -Name: Geforce3 -Memory: 32 or 64 -Speed: 3 or 4 depending on the model /10 -Comment: Aging but still good cards (better than any mx) and you can have those for very low $$$. -Name: Geforce4 mx400 or 440 -Memory: 64 or 128 -Speed: 2/10 -Comment: A glorified Geforce 2 with higher clock rate. -Name: Geforce 4 Ti-4200 -Memory: 64 or 128 -Speed: 4/10 -Comment: VERY good card for the price but no directx 9 support (less eyes candy). Showing its age. BTW the 128 mb version WITH agp 8x is the fastest version. The 128 mb version with no agp is a card using very slow ram. -Name: Geforce 4 Ti-4400 -Memory: 64 or 128 -Speed: 4.2/10 -Comment: An overclocked Ti-4200. Get a 4200 and overclock it... -Name: Geforce 4 Ti-4600 -Memory:64 or 128 -Speed: 4.4/10 -Comment: An overclocked Ti-4400. Get a 4200 and overclock it more... The FX cards got 2 version : non-ultra and ultra..... The ultra is an overclocked version of the other. Basically 10-15% faster. -Name: Geforce FX-5200 and 5200ultra -Memory: 64, 128 and 256 -Speed: 2/10 -Comment: Waste of money, the 128 and 256 mb version are even more a waste. Halo is playable but almost no eye candy. Low fps in large battle. "Support DX9" -Name: Geforce FX-5500 -Memory: 128 and 256 -Speed: 2.1/10 -Comment: A tad faster than the fx5200, but still very crappy as a card. -Name: Geforce FX-5600 and 5600ultra -Memory: 128 -Speed: 3.5/10 -Comment: I am sceptical about those card. They perform slow in some game and good in other. In halo they run between slow and medium. Not all the eyes candy can be turned on. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5700 and 5700ultra -Memory: 128 and 256 -Speed: 4.5/10 -Comment: Pretty good mid-range card. Use good memory. Halo playable with smooth frame rate. Some slowdown in battle. Eye candy turned on and 800x600 should be playable. 256mb Version not much expensive compared to 128mb but still not much performance difference. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5800 and 5800ultra -Memory: 6.5/10 -Speed: 128 and 256 -Comment: Also called the leaf blower this card make terrible noise and push a lot of air. A big fiasquo. Run realy bad in some game. *Discontinued* . Performance in halo are good with some visual quality problem. "Support DX9" -Name: Geforce FX-5900 and 5900ultra -Memory: 128 and 256 -Speed: 8.8/10 -Comment: Much better version of the 5800. This card is less noisy. Performance are a bit under the ATI equivalent , the 9800pro. Performance in halo should be very good with all eyes candy on and a resolution of 1024*768. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5950ultra -Memory: 256 -Speed: 9/10 -Comment: Not much more speed than the 5900ultra (1-4% more) but a BIG price difference...Basically a overclocked 5900ultra. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5900XT -Memory: 128 -Speed: 7/10 -Comment: This is a VERY good card for the price. It can even be overclocked to a 5900ultra. Good halo performance. Support DX9. -Name: Geforce FX-6800 -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 10/10 -Comment: Very good card. Support PS 3.0. About 40% faster than FX-5900 [b]-Name: Geforce FX-6800GT -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 13.9/10 -Comment: The best card to get at the moment, Kill everything for the price!!![/b] -Name: Geforce FX-6800LE -Memory: 128mb -Speed: 8.5/10 -Comment: Much faster than the 9800pro/5900ultra in some games....slower in other. Good card for 200$ and less. -Name: Geforce FX-6800ultra -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 14/10 -Comment: About 100-120% faster than 5950ultra... [/color] [Edited on 8/29/2004 11:25:30 AM]
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  • [color=white] ATI NOTE: The SE version of every card is more or less 50% slower than the regular one. DONT get the SE version NOTE 2: ATI has better anti-aliasing and visual quality. -Name: Radeon 7000 -Memory: 32 or 64 -Speed: 1/10 -Comment: One of the worst Radeon ever made by the hand of men. -Name: Radeon 7500 -Memory: 32 or 64 -Speed: 2/10 -Comment: Equivalent to a geforce 2 but a little slower at the same price so a GF2 is a better choice...Play halo with atari looking graphics. -Name: Radeon 8500LE -Memory: 64 or 128 -Speed: 4/10 -Comment: Good card but for the same price you can get a Nvidia Ti-4200 wich is faster. 128mb edition not much faster than 64mb. Good halo performance. -Name: Radeon 8500VE -Memory: 64 -Speed: 2.5/10 -Comment: This card is a waste. Only a few buck less than the 8500LE and it is much slower. -Name: Radeon 9100 and 9000 -Memory: 64 -Speed: 4/10 -Comment: Its LITERALLY a 8500LE. Good halo performance -Name: Radeon 9200 -Memory: 128 -Speed: 1.8/10 -Comment: Very slow card ,no dx9 support. Not a gaming card. Halo would work but slow and with no eye candy. -Name: Radeon 9500pro -Memory: 128 -Speed: 6.5/10 -Comment: VERY good card but hard to get because its discontinued. If you can get your hand on one GET it. Play halo very well and support DX9. -Name: Radeon 9600 -Memory: 128 -Speed: 3.5/10 -Comment: Those are not recommended because the majority of them use crappy ram so they are very slow. -Name: Radeon 9600pro -Memory: 128 -Speed: 5.5/10 -Comment: Very good mid-range card. Support DX9 and play halo very well. -Name: Radeon 9600XT -Memory: 128 -Speed: 6/10 -Comment: About 5-10% faster than the PRO version. A good product for the price, but at almost the same price you can get a 5900xt wich is faster than the 9600XT -Name: Radeon 9700 -Memory: 128 -Speed: 7/10 -Comment: *Discontinued* Good card for the price and can be overclocked to 9700pro. -Name: Radeon 9700pro -Memory: 128 -Speed: 8/10 -Comment: When it was released this card was a real revolution, almost having twice the performance of the ti-4200. This card is STILL a good deal if you can find one. VERY cheap and VERY powerfull (for the price). -Name: Radeon 9800 -Memory: 128 -Speed: 7.8/10 -Comment: Good card. Cheap and fast. Can be overclocked to 9800pro. Basically a new version of the the 9700. -Name: Radeon 9800pro -Memory: 128 or 256 -Speed: 8.9/10 -Comment: Very good card. Can be found for 200$ US and less. Basically a new version of the 9700pro. Play halo like a charm. -Name: Radeon 9800XT -Memory: 128 -Speed: 9.1/10 -Comment: 2-3% faster than the 9800pro. Look like a toy of the last century compared to the new cards...but still good. -Name: Radeon x600xt -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 6.5/10 -Comment: Good card but a bit expensive, i'd go for a 9800pro at that price. -Name: Radeon x800pro -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 12/10 -Comment: About 70% faster than the 9800XT -Name: Radeon x800XT -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 14/10 -Comment: About 100-120% faster than 9800XT 3-Motherboard I wont go into details with the motherboard but here are my suggestion. For an intel P3 go with a Motherboard with a intel BX chipset For an intel P4 go with a Motherboard with a intel chipset (ex : i865) For a Athlon xp go with a Motherboard with a nForce 2 chipset For a Athlon 64 go with a Motherboard with a VIA or nForce 3 250 For a Athlon FX go with a Motherboard with a VIA chipset 4-RAM If you have a P4 get 2x 256 mb to run DUAL CHANNEL RAM. It is very important for a P4. If you have a Athlon get either one 512mb or 2x256mb. Athlon dont gain many performance with dual channel. Dont forget to get RAM that match you system FSB (FRONT SIDE BUS). If you dont know what that mean just open you CPU instruction manual and search for his FSB speed. Good RAM brand are : Corsair, Mushkin, Kingston, Infineon..... Those are if you want max performance but there are many other good brand out there 5-Sound card Some motherboard has onboard sound but i strongly (except if you have the nforce 2 DELUXE edition) suggest you to get a sound card to lower the load your cpu get from the sound. I hope this helped a bit for those wondering why their FX-5200 WITH 256mb RAM (HIGH number sells :( ) run halo .... slowly Final suggestion: Build your own PC....realy. It might take you some time but i am sure you will have fun doing so. Dont buy pre-made computer (Dell, IBM, ALienware) those are either overpriced or very slowed down with very cheap parts. PC GUIDE VERSION 0.5 BY COYLTER My pc Athlon 2700+ overclocked to 3200+ 512mb RAM Radeon 9800pro 128mb Asus A7n8x motherboard CMI 8735 sound card ( 10$ :D) [/color] [Edited on 7/25/2004 11:02:46 AM]

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  • [b]Another good post[/b] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Silent Thunder Good guide Coytler... it's good to see that not everyone is buying Dells. I would like to add a few things for someone who is seriously considering building their own system. -Newegg.com is probably the best place to buy. Newegg has great shipping and awesome service, and you can selfom find a price that's much better (I would check PriceWatch.com just in case), plus their customer reviews and links to pro reviews like Tom's Hardware Guide (also an awesome site) come in handy. Sure, I'm a fanboy, but only because I've had repeated success. -Don't be afraid to buy used, but only from hardcore gamer-types who upgrade frequently. I got a Radeon 9700 Pro video card for $125 from a guy who got a 9800XT. Best deal I've ever gotten. With video cards, ask if they still have the original box and dongles (S-Video cords, DVI to VGA converters, etc.) and if they have ever overclocked it. You probably don't want it if it was OCed, even if you're going to OC it yourself. Don't buy used CPUs if you can help it, as you can sometimes make a mess getting them off, and don't buy used unless you can save at least 30% over full retail. -Make sure you have everything you need for a complete system before you buy and start putting it together. Here's a list of all the parts you will need (some you can probably take out of your old system if they're not too old): 1) Case- the external shell of your system. You want one that's not too cramped inside, is well laid-out, and looks cool, especially if you'll be hitting the LAN scene. Aside from cooling capabilties, this has no impact on your system's performance. Go to tomshardware.com and look at their semi-annual case guides for a good idea what to get. 1B) Power supply unit- most cases will come with this, but if yours does not, you have to have at least a 300 watt unit for almost any video card. ThermalTake and Antec make good PSU lines (TruePower and PurePower). 420w or greater is really recommended if you can swing it. 2) Motherboard- the component everything will be connected to. This mounts in your case and should be the first thing installed. Make sure the I/O plate (the big bump of ports on one edge) is facing through the hole in the case. Many motherboards require a custom I/O plate to put on the case, but this is almost always included with the mobo. ASUS is probably the best brand; EPoX and Gigabyte are also good. 3) CPU- the heart of your system. Make sure you get one that fits on your motherboard (the socket type should match up; i.e. all Athlons through the original 800mhz-or-so generation through the Athlon XP Barton use Socket A). Also, if you get the OEM instead of retail, you need a good heatsink- see below. Be ultra-careful when installing the CPU as they are fragile and expensive. Fortunately, once it's in you should never need to touch it again. 3B) CPU Heatsink (optional)- you only need this if you don't get the retail version of the processor. A good brand is Thermaltake, especially the Volcano series for Athlons. You usually wind up spending more on the OEM processor and heatsink together than you would on the retail processor, which includes the heatsink, but sometimes it's worth it-- the Athlon XPs have somewhat crappy stock cooling. 4) Memory- as a rule of thumb, you want memory with a rating greater than or equal to the model of processor. For example, if you have an Athlon XP 3200+, get PC3200 (also called DDR400). Get CAS latency 2.5 or 2.0, never 3. Kingson and Corsair are the best brands. You also want at least 512mb, and if your motherboard supports dual channel, get two sticks (2x256 instead of 1x512), as it improves memory bandwidth. 5) Drives- Get a hard drive with an interface that is supported by your motherboard. If you're not sure, get an EIDE model (up to ATA-133). If you know your motherboard supports Serial ATA (SATA), get a SATA drive; they have thinner cables and better performance. Seagate is a good brand. 80gb is about the smallest size you want. If you can afford one with an 8mb cache (2mb is standard) then get it. As for CD-ROM drives, you will want CD-RW and DVD, which you can get in a combo drive or seperately (LiteOn drives are solid and a good deal). A DVD burner can do the functions of the other two if you opt for one. If you feel you still need a floppy drive, get one, as they are under 10 bucks, but I recommend a USB flash drive for that purpose. If your case is black and doesn't have a door on the front covering the drives, you may want to get CD drives in black; most manufacturers offer this. 6) Video- the single most important aspect of a gaming system. Don't cheap out on this one. With a new generation of cards being released, the old models are getting cheap; the old flagship 9800 Pro is around 200 bucks and is still an awesome card. Be careful as many cards require a direct connection to your computer's power supply. 7) Sound- Most motherboards have this onboard (integrated), and they are almost all in 5.1 surround sound. Don't be fooled- many onboard sound chips are utter crap. The SoundStorm system on nForce 2 chipset-based boards is probably the best out there. If your integrated sound isn't very good, or isn't in 5.1 surround, the Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Gamer is a good deal and comes with several free games. The Platinum Pro is the best for hardcore types. 8) Networking- Once again, this is almost always integrated. But not every integrated networking system is equal. Some have Gigabit (1000mbps) and a few nForce 2 based boards have two slots, which comes in handy. If you want wireless, you'll most likely have to buy an add-on card, but some manufacturers have proprietary slots for their own WiFi devices; you can save some money this way. 9) Keyboard and mouse- You don't need anything too fancy. Logitech makes good keyboards, but I've been disappointed in their recent mice. Wireless mice are cool but not that great for gaming. At the moment I would recommend a Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer Optical and a Logitech wireless keyboard. At the minimum get a good keyboard and an optical mouse with scrolling. Once again, if your system is black, you might want to get a black keyboard and mouse to match. 10) Monitor- It's entirely up to you if you want a digital flatscreen or not; they're not as good for gaming as a good old-fashioned CRT, but they are very portable. If you opt for flat, make sure your video card has a DVI plug. With CRTs, get a 17" or up with at least .28 dot pitch. I recommend a 19" for gaming. ViewSonic and NEC are my favorite brands. 11) Speakers- You will most likely want a 5.1 speaker system to go with your computer. Logitech, Creative and Altec-Lansing all make good 5.1 systems for around $60. You can go up into the 400 dollar range and make a full home theater out of your computer if you want, but relatively cheap ones will probably suffice. A pair of headphones is useful for LAN parties, as speakers are usually discouraged and it's pretty much impossible to set up a full 5.1 system when all you have is a cubicle. 12) Operating System- This is one that is too easy to forget. You will most likely need a new copy for your new system unless you keep your old hard drive. WinXP Pro is better for networking if you're going to hit the LAN party scene and is probably worth the extra $$. Get the OEM version if you can, and save 50 bucks or so. Those are the vital parts; anything else is really optional. You can get a fairly high-end system for around 1400 bucks, and have the comfort of knowing nothing crappy was slipped in to cause a bottleneck (Dells are bottlenecks in just about every area except the CPU, and sometimes even there). Upgrading works the same way, except you want to determine what parts are causing a bottleneck and replace them instead of buying everything new. Hopefully with this information and that given you by Coytler, plus thorough readings of all manuals (this is important), you should be able to build your system cheaply and without too much hassle. Good luck.[/quote] [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=173555][b]A realy good post about how to make your own computer[/b][/url] [Edited on 7/25/2004 11:07:10 AM]

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  • [b]**DO NOT BUY SAPHIRE 9800PRO THEY ARE RE-NAMED 9800SE WICH ARE MUCH SLOWER[/b] [quote]Recently it has come to the attention of many hardware enthusiasts that Sapphire is playing a dirty trick on many unsuspecting customers. Sapphire is selling “Radeon 9800pro” video cards that are crippled. These cards have a 128-bit memory interface and lower core and memory speeds than other “normal” 9800pro video cards. Many people have fallen victim to this marketing trick, believing they are receiving a real Radeon 9800pro video card. In reality, they receive a card that performs like the much cheaper Radeon 9800SE. While some people will be able to tell from the specs that these are not true 9800pro video cards, others will simply look at the 9800pro in the title and believe that they are receiving a true 9800pro video card. Sapphire is ripping these people off. We, the consumers, should be sending Sapphire a message. Please boycott all Sapphire products. If you have been thinking about purchasing a new Radeon video card, there are many other quality manufacturers that do not use these shady practices. If word of this site spreads, and people boycott Sapphire’s products, it will not only send a message to Sapphire, but the entire industry. Stop giving products misleading names! It’s bad enough that a consumer has to do some research to figure out what the difference is between a Radeon 9800, 9800SE, 9800PRO, 9800XT, but now we have substantially different products with the exact same name![/quote] [url]http://www.boycottsapphire.com/[/url] [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color= 000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color= 000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/1 0957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066 ]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote] [Edited on 6/13/2004 5:53:10 PM]

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  • You missed one of the absolute best price/performance cards.....ATI 9600XT. -MoneyMan

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  • *Looks at FX5200 and then on halo FPS* Ahaa... umm... Darn it... i wasted my money :D Atleest i got myself a P4 Northwood when i bought my new PC :P Well... I can say from my experiance of the FX5200 that it works very well in multiplayer and the first levels of single... But dont even try the library with legendary... :P

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  • Your 5200 works good? You must have all the settings turned off thought right? I have to turn most of mine off to get it to run almost smoothly. I like to have high textures and particles on cus those keep the game looking good. I turn down more for multiplayer cus I'm stuck with dial up for now. I also have to boot up halo in Pixel Shaders 1.1 mode. I'm thinking of the 9600XT. Supposed to be the same as the 9800 pro but about 50 bucks cheaper. Anyone have any info on that?

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  • The one point that you missed is that the Athlon 64 will have no affect on Halo - the software needs to be written specifically for 64-bit CPUs.

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  • Yea but the A64 are fast cpu even if the program dont use 64bit. In fact no game use 64 bit and the A64 still are the best gaming cpu

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  • True, but the 32-bit ones are just as fast, and slightly cheaper. However, I agree - buy a 64-bit one anyway (Half-Life 2 will support it for one).

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  • no 32 bit processor is as fast as a A64 in gaming

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  • It runs smoothly in Multi when the particle and detail is at highest... but i need to run it in 800x600.... otherwise it runs very smooth... but as i said singleplayer is not to think aboot... i am also thinking on a new... but i havnt really dicided yet....

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  • I have 9800 pro 256 and it is great runs halo in high res with all the features turned to full man i love it sure bets my old 64mb ati card.

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  • I have an AthlonXP +2500 "Barton" (not overclocked) and Sapphire ATI Radeon 9600XT. My whole comp (the tower) cost $748 at newegg.com. I can play campaign at 1024x768 but multiplayer plays with rare lag at 1280x960. Just suggesting a cheap, powerful solution for people who don't think they have money to buy a new computer. However this comp is borderline for new games like Far Cry so if you wait any longer to get a comp you may as well get a 64 bit chip.

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  • yup its a good setup considering that the barton 2500+ can overclock easily to 3200+ speed...

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  • I Feel as though i leaned something from your post. I know jackcrap about the internal components... I actually hung my head in shame. Okay now then I was fortunte enought to get a P4 with HT, Sound Blast card, but heres the kiker only got a Geforce 5200 graphics card. [Edited on 4/29/2004 1:30:08 PM]

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  • The 5200 is realy a pain.... :(

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  • Thank you coylter!! I've really been wanting a guide as to which are the best parts for Halo PC... Now I can buy a nice new 9800XT and Audigy 2, and know that it will make a difference.

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  • I say wait.... The new cards from ATI and nvidia are gonna be released soon...so the price of the current card will go down a lot...

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  • Great work Coylter, but what cpu is best for halo? ATHON FX 51 OR 53???? or are they the same??? And what is the best video card for halo??? Don't think Im an ass with these questions because Im getting a new pc soon and I want it specs to fit HALOPC'S NEEDS. Whats the best system on the market for halopc?

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  • fx 53 :D but you should get a A64 3400+ Better price/performance ration than the fx51 or 53

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coylter I say wait.... The new cards from ATI and nvidia are gonna be released soon...so the price of the current card will go down a lot...[/quote] I have to wait, my dad won't let me buy it until I've finished my exams in June. But I'll wait a bit longer if the new cores aren't out even then.

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  • Hey, my computer only supports PCI video cards, what (if any) PCI cards will run at a decent quality and speed on halo? [Edited on 5/1/2004 2:11:24 PM]

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  • The ATI X880 will use PCI, but it willl be approx. $499. That's all I know... Also, who make the best Radeon 9800XTs? My friend said Asus, but he's a bit wierd so I'd like someone in the know to say, just so I'm sure. [Edited on 5/2/2004 11:47:15 AM]

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  • [quote] The ATI X880 will use PCI, but it willl be approx. $499. That's all I know... Also, who make the best Radeon 9800XTs? My friend said Asus, but he's a bit wierd so I'd like someone in the know to say, just so I'm sure. [/quote] No, no and no. The new card wont use the regular PCI. They will use PCI-X a new type of PCI that nobody has right now. The best PCI card is the Fx5600 pci 128mb...

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  • In Performance all the brands are almost equal. For the quality i would not buy any of those brands : Club3d , Gigacube (not gigabyte) or Powercolor

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coylter [quote] The ATI X880 will use PCI, but it willl be approx. $499. That's all I know...[/quote] No, no and no. The new card wont use the regular PCI. They will use PCI-X a new type of PCI that nobody has right now. The best PCI card is the Fx5600 pci 128mb...[/quote] I did think it wsa a bit strange that it was $100 more expensive than the AGP version, it PCI-X super fast or something? Thanks coylter. [Edited on 5/3/2004 7:50:12 AM]

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