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Little guide to the knowledge of the PC

[b]*WARNING DO NOT BUY SAPHIRE RADEON 9800PRO[/b] [*][color=white]This might help you if you consider upgrading your computer. First off , this guide is dedicated to the people who have no knowledge about computer and who think that a celeron 2.8ghz is better than a duron 1.4 ghz. If you dont know what those 2 word means.....realy read this post. 1- The Cpu (Central Processing Unit) Your CPU is used to calculate things (YIPE) like player position, shadow, bullet speed, damage and about everything else that need to be calculated. In fact games that has some complex AI (if you dont know what AI mean .... go watch Red vs Blue ..... If you dont know whta is red vs blue leave this forum now) will need a better CPU (Like the halo campain). Your cpu has ALMOST nothing to do with the visual appearence of a game (This is handled by the video card) so if you want better visual and you have an half decent cpu dont even bother upgrading it. ........So lets go into details There is 2 brand of cpu : INTEL (INTegrated ELectronic) and AMD (Advanced Micro Device) INTEL Pentium 1 Play game that are 10 years old .... if you want to play halo or any other game get a newer CPU Pentium 2 Same things as pentium 1 Pentium 3 This CPU is the minimum to play today game and its the VERY minimum. P3 range from 450 to 1300 mhz. If you have a P3 with less than 800 mhz you will not be able to play halo. With more than 800mhz you will be able to play halo (or some other new games) but with poor performance. Pentium 4 There is 4 variant of the p4 : The P4a , the P4b , the P4c and the P4e P4a (1.3ghz to 1.8ghz) Mhz for Mhz the p3 is better than those CPU. The P4a is a rushed CPU made by intel to compete with the AMD. Those CPU were and are still a waste of money. Those cpu were replaced by the P4b. Using a p4a you will be able to play halo with some good fps (depending on the speed of it and of your video card) but in the campain and in medium fight you will notice some major slow down... P4b (1.8ghz to 2.6ghz (i do think that there is a 2.8ghz version)) A much better version of the P4. Still weaker than the AMD variant those p4 offer good perfomance in every game including halo. With a cpu like this (still depend on his speed) you will be able to play halo with good fps with some minor slowdown in big fight. P4c (2.4ghz to 3.4ghz) also called NORTHWOOD The best series of P4. Those cpu are very powerfull and are only beaten by the more recent AMD 64bit CPU. With a cpu like this you should be able (if you have a good video card) to play halo with almost no slow down of any kind. (Those cpu are also good overclocker). If you want this CPU to perform to his max you MUST have dual channel ram (more on that later). P4e (2.4ghz to 3.4ghz) also called PRESCOTT In one word : WASTE. Those cpu perform less than the "c" version of the p4 and HEAT A LOT. If you buy this cpu you will no longer need to heat your room during winter. Celeron (any kind) Pure waste of silicon and money. Those cpu are a shame. Take your money and go buya real cpu. In fact a 2.4ghz Celeron is 50 to 70 % slower than a cheap (30$) AMD Duron 1400mhz. If you play halo with this cpu you will get some major slow down even in calm zone. P4 extreme A VERY VERY expensive Cpu. If you play halo with this cpu you not notice any lag even in the biggest fight. For 1000$+ those cpu are a waste of money over the less expensive athlon 64 who offer equivalent performance. AMD NOTE : THE NUMBER THAT REPRESENT THE CPU (EX: 3200+) DO NOT REPRESENT THE CLOCK SPEED (A 3200+ run at 2.2ghz) but dont be fooled clock rate do not represent speed. Ex: A A64 3400+ at 2.4 ghz is faster than a p4c 3.2ghz. K6 Waste. Athlon "no xp" (600 to 1400mhz) Those cpu perform a little less than the p3 With a 800 mhz Athlon or more you SHOULD be able to play halo with 5 fps (Frame per second) Athlon xp (1400+ to 3200+) Those cpu are cheap, fast, stable....(speed depend on the model) Generaly those cpu are the best choice for a cheap and good pc. Cheaper than the best celeron the slowest athlon xp (1400+) can triple the performance of the celeron. Go figure... Those CPU will play halo very well depending on the model. 1400 to 2000 = Small slowdown in big battle 2200 to 3200 = Very good performance Athlon 64 (2800, 3000, 3200, 3400) The A64 2800 is litterally the best price/performance cpu out there. The A64 3400 is among the best cpu ever made so far. For the price those cpu are great , and 64 bit is a bonus. Any of those CPU play halo with no lag of any kind. :D (Those are my personnal favorite) Athlon FX (51-53) Pretty much like the P4 Extreme edition but ..... faster and with 64 bit (more like a bonus). Those are simply the fastest. If you have problem playing halo with those one you are smoking good things or you have a very bad video card. 2-The video card The video card is the what generate all the beatifull effect in a game (ie: halo). There is 2 company who make video card : ATI and NVIDIA (Any other brand is PURE waste). The better your video card the faster the frame will go (FPS : frame per second). Cards will be classified like this: -Name: xxxxxxx -Memory: xxx -Speed: xx/10 -Comment: xxxxxxxxxxx NVIDIA -Name: Geforce 256 and less -Memory: 16,32 or 64 -Speed: 0.5/10 -Comment: i would not bother playing halo with this. -Name: Geforce2 -Memory: 16,32 or 64 -Speed: 1.5/10 -Comment: Fair performance for its age and very low price. -Name: Geforce2 mx -Memory: 32 or 64 -Speed: 0.2/10 -Comment: Forget it. -Name: Geforce3 -Memory: 32 or 64 -Speed: 3 or 4 depending on the model /10 -Comment: Aging but still good cards (better than any mx) and you can have those for very low $$$. -Name: Geforce4 mx400 or 440 -Memory: 64 or 128 -Speed: 2/10 -Comment: A glorified Geforce 2 with higher clock rate. -Name: Geforce 4 Ti-4200 -Memory: 64 or 128 -Speed: 4/10 -Comment: VERY good card for the price but no directx 9 support (less eyes candy). Showing its age. BTW the 128 mb version WITH agp 8x is the fastest version. The 128 mb version with no agp is a card using very slow ram. -Name: Geforce 4 Ti-4400 -Memory: 64 or 128 -Speed: 4.2/10 -Comment: An overclocked Ti-4200. Get a 4200 and overclock it... -Name: Geforce 4 Ti-4600 -Memory:64 or 128 -Speed: 4.4/10 -Comment: An overclocked Ti-4400. Get a 4200 and overclock it more... The FX cards got 2 version : non-ultra and ultra..... The ultra is an overclocked version of the other. Basically 10-15% faster. -Name: Geforce FX-5200 and 5200ultra -Memory: 64, 128 and 256 -Speed: 2/10 -Comment: Waste of money, the 128 and 256 mb version are even more a waste. Halo is playable but almost no eye candy. Low fps in large battle. "Support DX9" -Name: Geforce FX-5500 -Memory: 128 and 256 -Speed: 2.1/10 -Comment: A tad faster than the fx5200, but still very crappy as a card. -Name: Geforce FX-5600 and 5600ultra -Memory: 128 -Speed: 3.5/10 -Comment: I am sceptical about those card. They perform slow in some game and good in other. In halo they run between slow and medium. Not all the eyes candy can be turned on. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5700 and 5700ultra -Memory: 128 and 256 -Speed: 4.5/10 -Comment: Pretty good mid-range card. Use good memory. Halo playable with smooth frame rate. Some slowdown in battle. Eye candy turned on and 800x600 should be playable. 256mb Version not much expensive compared to 128mb but still not much performance difference. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5800 and 5800ultra -Memory: 6.5/10 -Speed: 128 and 256 -Comment: Also called the leaf blower this card make terrible noise and push a lot of air. A big fiasquo. Run realy bad in some game. *Discontinued* . Performance in halo are good with some visual quality problem. "Support DX9" -Name: Geforce FX-5900 and 5900ultra -Memory: 128 and 256 -Speed: 8.8/10 -Comment: Much better version of the 5800. This card is less noisy. Performance are a bit under the ATI equivalent , the 9800pro. Performance in halo should be very good with all eyes candy on and a resolution of 1024*768. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5950ultra -Memory: 256 -Speed: 9/10 -Comment: Not much more speed than the 5900ultra (1-4% more) but a BIG price difference...Basically a overclocked 5900ultra. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5900XT -Memory: 128 -Speed: 7/10 -Comment: This is a VERY good card for the price. It can even be overclocked to a 5900ultra. Good halo performance. Support DX9. -Name: Geforce FX-6800 -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 10/10 -Comment: Very good card. Support PS 3.0. About 40% faster than FX-5900 [b]-Name: Geforce FX-6800GT -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 13.9/10 -Comment: The best card to get at the moment, Kill everything for the price!!![/b] -Name: Geforce FX-6800LE -Memory: 128mb -Speed: 8.5/10 -Comment: Much faster than the 9800pro/5900ultra in some games....slower in other. Good card for 200$ and less. -Name: Geforce FX-6800ultra -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 14/10 -Comment: About 100-120% faster than 5950ultra... [/color] [Edited on 8/29/2004 11:25:30 AM]
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  • That would be the Radeon 9600se hard at work. That and many other things = gone with the x800 your getting. This card (the 9600se) runs Halo, but not well. The x800 will make everything lovely. Youll be playing with all eye candys on high at 1024x768 no sweat. You could probably play it at 1280x1024 if you want :) [Edited on 7/29/2004 2:47:20 PM]

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  • Thanks, but I downloaded the Halo trial version and when I zoom in things get somewhat pixlated. What is going on?

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  • [quote] Is my comp good enough for Halo? 2.8Ghz Intel P4 ASUS RAEDON 9600SE 128mb (I will be upgrading to a 256 mb Radeon x800pro.) Wireless internet at 2.8Ghz 512 mb RAM Going to get 512 mb more of RAM [/quote] Yep. Thinks will really get awesome with that x800pro, but with the rig you got, Halo will work fine.

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  • At least on the first page, you forget to mention that non-xp athlons actually came in speeds up to 1.4 ghz.

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  • Is my comp good enough for Halo? 2.8Ghz Intel P4 ASUS RAEDON 9600SE 128mb (I will be upgrading to a 256 mb Radeon x800pro.) Wireless internet at 2.8Ghz 512 mb RAM Going to get 512 mb more of RAM) [Edited on 7/28/2004 6:20:12 AM]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NobleNick Well, here I am again with another video question: My FX5700LE works very nicely with respect to frame rate: I have all the goodies on and am in 800x600 or 1024x768 (forget which). Everything looks beautiful in campaign, and is nice and smooth. However, on the mp maps I am having problems with contrast. In darker areas of the map (like inside bases on Death Island, and trying to get up the paths to the sniper spots on the valley walls of BG) it is like I am in pitch dark. Yes, I've done the obvious and tweaked the brightness and contrast of my 3 year old 17" monitor; but it helps very little. Again, I haven't noticed any problem on campaign. (On the PC, have only played to about "Flawless Cowboy." Still, I had no problems in the dark bowels of PoA.) Any suggestions?[/quote] Hmmm i realy have never heard of that but it could be a monitor problem, 3 years is a bit old. [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NARK04 is a 9600 xt a good card at high resolutions?[/quote] No [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • Well, here I am again with another video question: My FX5700LE works very nicely with respect to frame rate: I have all the goodies on and am in 800x600 or 1024x768 (forget which). Everything looks beautiful in campaign, and is nice and smooth. However, on the mp maps I am having problems with contrast. In darker areas of the map (like inside bases on Death Island, and trying to get up the paths to the sniper spots on the valley walls of BG) it is like I am in pitch dark. To get up the path to the sniper cave in BG, I have to follow the trail from base until it barely starts to climb; then I need to look way up and gauge my progress against the skyline of the valley walls. Yes, I've done the obvious and tweaked the brightness and contrast of my 3 year old 17" monitor; but it helps very little. Again, I haven't noticed any problem on campaign. (On the PC, have only played to about "Flawless Cowboy." Still, I had no problems in the dark bowels of PoA.) Any suggestions? [Edited on 7/27/2004 12:17:05 PM]

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  • [quote]He did not lie. Its a good card BUT you should have get the 128mb version wich should be cheaper and as fast (if not more).[/quote] Whew! Glad to hear I didn't get scammed too badly. O.K., I'll bite: Why would the FX5700LE-TD256 ever be slower than the -TD128? [quote]Increasing your resolution is only videocard side...The cpu is not going to hold you back. [/quote] Thanks for the tidbit. I did not know that. [quote]Well i am not sure if i understood that but halo 2 is not coming to pc. BTW you should never upgrade for games to come .... only for games that are out....[/quote] Last part of your point: Agreed. First part of your point: *IS* a huge chunk of my point. IF Halo2 were coming out, it would be a 3 or 4 year wait. Those who are agonizing over the whole affair should just realize that, this Christmas, they can buy Halo2 AND the Xbox to run it for the same amount they would pay just for the video card to run it on the CPU (**IF** it were available to run on CPU). **AND** if they get it on Xbox they don't have to wait 4 years (or forever) to play it. I call that a "No brainer." Hey Coylter, [b]thank you very much[/b] for the very useful info; not just in answer to my post, but your guide all the posts that followed. I feel like I have gone from "almost totally clueless" to "almost savvy" on video cards for gaming rigs in the last 2 weeks; and most of it I attribute to reading the entire 11 pages of this thread. THANK YOU!! EDIT: Thanks, also, to HaloHappy and others who shared their experience. [Edited on 7/26/2004 11:35:48 AM]

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  • is a 9600 xt a good card at high resolutions?

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  • im new to bungies website but have become a member any way because im obseessd! ( of halo 2 ) my computers rubbish aswell but im getting a ( or fastest i dont know of broadband)

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  • your rich, thanks for sharing. Dont get the P4 emtreme edition if your custom building your PC. Its just to damn expensive. You can get equal or better preformance out of the AMD Athlon FX, just listen to coytler: Athlon FX (51-53) Pretty much like the P4 Extreme edition but ..... faster and with 64 bit (more like a bonus). Those are simply the fastest. If you have problem playing halo with those one you are smoking good things or you have a very bad video card.

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  • i have a better idea, look at the parts and buy them all seperately and then put them together for alot less. and im rich so i have a sweet petium 4 extrem 3.4 2400mb ram and an ati 9800pro card. its really really really really fricken fast. I can play like 2 halos at the same time the trial and the full version

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  • The Compaq X just recently came out. For those of you who dont know what that is, its a gaming computer released by compaq and its really good. I know its a prebuilt one and you all believe in custom builds, but i saw it for $1599.00 and it had the Geforce FX 6800gt in it. Go to compaq and customize it the way you like and look at the price. I like compaq, they sell there stuff for ceap and i have never had a problem with thier stuff. Check it out at Compaq.com

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  • By the end of the summer ill have 2000 bucks, and im wondering if you could help me figure out what would be the best computer for my money. Thanks. [Edited on 7/25/2004 12:36:34 PM]

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  • I don't have the highest spec, but i do away fine !!

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  • ic, was just curios. Well i got an email saying that my 9700prp order couldnt fly since they were out of that item. I am actually very happy about this. I just got a bunch of money for my birthday and im gonna get a 6800nu. I found a 128mb version for $284.00 and im wondering if that would be a could card to get that would last for a few years. If you know of any other cards under $300 that you think are better, tell me about them and refer me to a site where i can buy them or something. thanks. [Edited on 7/25/2004 11:27:35 AM]

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  • ahh gotta add them , their just over the 9600xt [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote] [Edited on 7/25/2004 10:52:53 AM]

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  • Hey coytler, whatever happened to the X600 series of cards by ATI. Are they decent or what? I saw them being sold on pricewatch for like $190. Are they good cards, or a fluke by Radeon?

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  • a [Edited on 7/25/2004 9:57:07 AM]

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  • too bad it cost mad $$$ though, huh? i think im gonna stick with the 9800pro. and i have something to say...after the time my card has been holding out..it somehow went through a super atomic neclear a-bomb dropping explosion. now i cant load my desktop without it atomically exploding..so now i dont just want a new card, if i dont get one i cant run my computer..btw im using my old computer, which has a 4MB videocard in it.

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  • My personnal best those time arround is the 6800gt. [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • well, i think even the 9800pro is pushing my 200$ pricerange, knowing its $199..phewph, good thing theres free shipping here.. look, go [url=http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=property&DEPA=1]here[/url] , and check out the three cards..the first two are basically the same, sept the 1st one is APG x4 and x8 and has hitman:contracts included and the second one has APG x1,2,4,8..see, im not a computer expert, so id rather get a videogame than APG x1,2,4, and 8.. and the last one is like, 10 bucks more because it comes in the REAL box..oh, wow. a BOX. im gonna pay 10 dollars for a box...

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  • That 9800pro is a good deal. I wouldnt recommend the 9700pro (not that its bad or anything), but the 9800pro is like a revamped version, and we are on the dawn of a new gaming era (relatively speaking) so you want the latest hardware. Dont touch the SE, you will only be disappointed. And also, consider this. DO you want to buy a card that will last 1-2 years before having to upgrade, or buy a card which needs to be upgraded in less than a year for playable FPS in newer games? At first, I was gonna get a 9600xt, but then, I said "Why not pay an extra $35 and get a WAY better card that will last longer (9800pro)". Then, recently (ie yesterday) I said "If your gonna go for the broke of Best bang for buck, you might as well look at a NVIDIA 6800nu. For an extra $80 (this is CDN, just so ya know), I can get a card that runs Halo 15-20fps faster than 9800pro, can play Doom 3 very well, can run Far Cry very well, and should do pretty well at Half- Life 2. I know that buying cards for games that arent out isnt the best, but it is something to take into consideration. Ok, Im spent, just worked all day, and its 12:00. LATER!

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  • first of all, id like to say thanks for writing this guide. ive been thinking about getting a new card for a VERY long time, my 5200 is no longer cutting it out. everytime i look at a card that sounds good, i make sure to refer back to this guide to see if im gettin a good card. im most likely going for the 9800pro, once i save up enough money. and second of all...you dont NEED fraps to check FPS. while your in halo simpley press ctrl and f12. this will bring up a meter thingy, showing your FPS on the top of the screen. oh and i have a question. i can get a 9800pro for $192, a 9800SE for $119, a 9700pro for $162, or a 9600pro 256MB for $126. i know the 9800SE is alot slowrer though. which one is the best choice/deal? [Edited on 7/23/2004 6:37:21 PM]

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  • Halo 2 isn coming out right away for computer, but my geuss is they will eventually release it for cpu, but thats not gonna happen for a long time.

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