[quote][b]Posted By:[/b]hotshot revan II 1)The autumn was in the middle of combat in space,if some unarmed vessels arrive to bring the autumn to aszod,you think the covies will just stay and watch?No they would have blasted thos ships out of orbit because the entire UNSC fleet was nearly obliterated when the autumn was about to escape. And i really think that in that game,the autumn never fought in space but stayed on ground all the time.If this is true then blue team couldn't have fought in space,red team wouldn't have had a disaster crash.[/quote] 1. It can start atmospheric descent itself, and then the rocket tugs meet it in atmosphere, at least that's how I think it would work, or they have rocket tugs on the refit docks in space and it connected there. If it came down from the space battle, then the ending of TFoR would have to be changed anyway, so if that is the case then the Covenant would not necessarily be in the "total win" position yet. [quote] 2)No Halsey:...Perhaps more.You are to take her to the UNSC ship-breaking yards in Aszod.There,you will find a Halycon-class cruiser waiting to get her off planet Seems like the autumn is already there unless Halsey could magically predict the autumn succesfully landing there with no problem Auntie Dot:UNSC cruiser,Pillar of autumn is awaiting your arrival. Looks like tha autumn was already on Reach at ht end of the 29th or the beginning of the 30th.In the books tha autumn was in space preparing to leave the system(prophet hunt) -Nope according to the fall of reach and even Dr Halsey's journal,Halsey talked to her spartans face to face and not a video conference.The red breifing did happen,but like i said before i guess bungie ingored the journal(typical). Remember the cutscene of the sabre docking into the anchor 9?You see plasmabombardement,one of those explosions was near SWORD and auntie dot said this: "There is nothing you can do for Halsey and the others inside SWORD base." Halsey couldn't have escaped sword when the area had been glassed. Jun:SWORD?The covenant own it now." The covenant contolled sword base,Halsey couldn't have escaped it.The game contradicts with the journal and the books.So why putting that journal into the Reach editions if both contradict eachother?[/quote] 2. Yes. People speak that time all the way in fiction, and in real life too sometimes. Just because I say "You'll find X there waiting for you" does not mean X is already there, it means it will arrive before you do. And the part where Dot is speaking to them is at like 8:00+ in the morning of the 30th, which is several hours [i]after[/i] Chief's op in space, so even if it is waiting for them at that point it does not mean it was always there. Do you not understand the meaning of the ":P" emoticon? I was not being serious, it was said in jest. And why couldn't she have gotten in and out again? Being glassed has nothing to do with it, also, that platform they're on had to have been hidden anyway, or some sort of Covenant exploration party or patrol would have found the two Pelicans docked there. [quote]I get the feeling that Bungie ingores the halo canon from other authors and think their own vision is canon.They have no rights to do that.Microsoft and 343 own Halo and not Bungie,so why change canon without asking 343 first? Look what Bungie says: "We did take some liberty," said Lehto. "In the book, I believe the Pillar of Autumn is in orbit at a docking station. We talked to [Eric] Nylund [the author of "The Fall of Reach"] about the whole event structure and we got the chronology of it down to where we felt comfortable with the little bends we were taking to make sure it worked best for the game and best for our game's fiction. We've had discrepancies with Nylund on what we believe is canon and what should be made sacred in the canon. But that's always the case when you have others outside of Bungie building the fiction for the "Halo " universe." hahahaha,sorry for laughing but read this.Bungie say they only talked with Nylund about this and not 343.Last time i checked microsoft and 343 owned Halo and the story bible and not bungie.So why did bungie said "Bungie's canon".This is a huge confirmation that they said -blam!- you to the halo canon(excluding their works),Eric nylund and 343 industries. The story of the book was far far better then the game's.Most of the halo fans will agree on this.[/quote] As I said in another post, Bungie were the final authority on what was and was not canon until after Reach came out, now it is 343. There was no need to discuss anything with 343 as they were the not guardians and gods of Halo lore at that point, Bungie was preparing to hand over the reins to 343 up until right around Reach "went Gold", and besides, the top heads of 343 are former [i]Bungie[/i] employees, just to make sure you got that [i][b]BUNGIE[/b][/i], they would both be in agreement over the canon of Halo. So actually your little quote does not mean anything. I do not think either one is better, both are awesome in their own way, and they both have their weak points, you cannot, and I can't stress this point enough, safely compare video game storytelling to book story telling. They are too vastly different sources that are too different to really compare. [quote]-The 750 ships comes from Lord Hoods quote and the new fall of reach.And as Holland says,the covie fleet arrived at the 14th.Seems like 150 inferior UNSC ships were fighting 300-750 superior ships.Weird how did the UNSC survived that long?Did they had Forerunner ships?*sarcasm* An inferior outnumbered outgunned fleet could not survive the slaughter of a massive covie fleet for weeks.One salvo of that fleet would decimate the UNSC fleet.But again it's bungie people who don't give a -blam!- about the fiction.[/quote] Hood was speaking hyperbole, and we don't ever actually [i]see[/i] anything to represent the number of ships at Earth in Halo 2. And as I said, the 750 ships in the reprint edition is an error, because other than one instance it goes back to saying 300ish. And remember, the UNSC had SMACs as well, which can smash through a Covie ship in one single hit. And quite frankly I don't quite agree with the 3 human ships to 1 Covie ship ratio. If the Covenant were so powerful the UNSC should not have had any victories in space at all. [quote]-They couldn't have kept it a secret till the supercarrier show.An entire massive continent was at war. http://www.halopedian.com/images/b/b5/Viery.jpg The largest citys of Reach are located at those circular lakes and as seen in that picture there was war in the citys as well.Just face it the cvivilians know it.And according to the books the arrival of the covies on the 30th was a surprise. -Massive panic?It's the goddamn Covenant empire with fleets numbering in thousands and with ships that can travel at +900 light years a day.Any covenant fleet could travel in a matter of hours in the UNSC teriroty and can send reinforcements in a matter of hours. Why didn't they avacuated the 700 million civilians?They know that any covenant fleet could arrive in a matter of hours.So they risk the death of all civilians because they stupidly belive that the covies wouldn't send reinforcements soon? (het were lucky that the covies waited to long to send a large fleet,stupid plot shield) Seems the UNSC did the wrong decision as everyone on Reach died except a dozen UNSC warships escaped the onslaught.[/quote] And said continent is pretty much the middle of nowhere, your image does not prove your point, it emphasizes how empty the Viery territory is, and the dots by the lakes are not necessarily cities, they could be anything, military outposts, communications arrays, or cities, they could be anything. The game does not explain how the Covenant found Reach, and I don't know if they communicate the location of every human world to their superiors. ANd I highly doubt the UNSC does, it is not entirely impossible for them to think they can whip them and send the Covies packing. As I said, they would not want to create mass-panic over a few Corvettes. [quote]-It conflicts with CE because cortana didn't knew who the forerunners are in Halo ce but in Reach she absorbes massive amounts of Forerunner knowledge. Just face it Bungie ruined everything and you guys can't admit it.Even marvus letho admitted it in that interview,they even didn't asked 343 industires the owners of the halo canon and think that "their canon" is higher above all of the others. The reason they contradicted the books is because they think they might make the game story far better .To bad they failed as most halo fans will agree that the Reach story isn't better then the previous games.The lack of massive battle scope,poor writing,... And yes i'm overreacting my apoligies for that. [/quote] She doesn't know what the Forerunners are in Reach either, it is never stated what the data she downloaded was, not even Halsey knew that it was Forerunner data, whatever it was, it probably helped her decode the star map on the Rock. You are forgiven, as long as no one gets too out of hand it's all good. We're having a good debate here, and tempers are bound to rise a little bit.