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6/21/2009 1:16:48 AM
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What is the CANON explanation to Sgt. Johnson's Survival?
I've always been curious. First Strike mentions his "Boren's Syndrome" saved him from infection, but I heard that the Halo Graphic Novel was monitored by Bungie in it's creation.
So what is it? Did his condition save him? Or did he escape heroicly?
[Edited on 06.20.2009 5:17 PM PDT]
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Badassery saved him. Try not to think about these things to much.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mutoid Log The Halo Graphic novel talks about the "Paris/BS spoof", while also heavily hinting towards Johnson being a Spartan-I. This would mean that the Boren's syndrome is a cover-up for him being a S-1; ONI or some other secret service needed something to explain his specialty. He most likely survived the first infection attempt thanks to his S-1 augmentations, and then fought out.[/quote]That's what I remembered hearing... THIS IS THE TRU7H
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I like to think that Sgt. Johnson just looked the Flood in the eye and said, "No." but failing that.... From most of the replies in this thread you could gather that it wwas a combination of the Boron Syndrome and other theories, but I'm choosing to go with the most brutally honest answer, opogjijijp's. He states that Bungie and co don't have this part of the story set in stone (or they haven't released the answers) and there are only theories.
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...Hey, I actually like that explanation.
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The Halo Graphic novel talks about the "Paris/BS spoof", while also heavily hinting towards Johnson being a Spartan-I. This would mean that the Boren's syndrome is a cover-up for him being a S-1; ONI or some other secret service needed something to explain his specialty. He most likely survived the first infection attempt thanks to his S-1 augmentations, and then fought out.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caboose042 Thats stupid. Borean's syndrome was better. Halo: CE showed him getting swarmed over by the flood infection forms. Why would they want to change it anyway? [/quote] Borens Syndrome was a stupid reason for him to be immune. I can easily understand why Bungie didn't like the idea of simply exposing people to radiation as a way to stop the flood. The definitive version of events does not show him getting swarmed with infection forms. It shows him managing to evade and kill them all. Boren's Syndrome had nothing to do with his escape, and it's highly likely he doesn't even have Boren's Syndrome.[/quote] I'm inclined to go with this explanation here. However I would like to point out that according to the hierarchy of the canon, new published works tend to outrank previous works. So the [i]Breaking Quarantine[/i] story from the graphic novel which shows him escaping because he is a badass and not immune to the flood would probably retcon what has been said in previous Halo novels.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caboose042 Thats stupid. Borean's syndrome was better. Halo: CE showed him getting swarmed over by the flood infection forms. Why would they want to change it anyway? [/quote] Borens Syndrome was a stupid reason for him to be immune. I can easily understand why Bungie didn't like the idea of simply exposing people to radiation as a way to stop the flood. The definitive version of events does not show him getting swarmed with infection forms. It shows him managing to evade and kill them all. Boren's Syndrome had nothing to do with his escape, and it's highly likely he doesn't even have Boren's Syndrome. [Edited on 06.21.2009 11:22 PM PDT]
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Thats stupid. Borean's syndrome was better. Halo: CE showed him getting swarmed over by the flood infection forms. Why would they want to change it anyway?
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Johnson's just a total badass. That's how he escaped.
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I thought it was a combo or Boren's Syndrome and something with what they did to the original Project ORION Spartan I Project he was a candidate of?
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He's immune to infection by the Flood, but he had to use skill to escape the already infected Marines.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Blake Packbornne I don't know why, but this seems like a huge cop out to me. It may just be that I'm an RPer, and it just seems like Johnson did something like this. GM: Johnson, your squad is suddenly attacked. Infection forms come out of the walls, and swarm over your marines. Johnson: I blow 'em all to Hell an' escape! GM: ...What? Well, you gotta make an attack roll or someth- Johnson: No I most certainly do not! GM: Wha? Bu- Johnson: Listen here, you pansy-ass son o' -blam!-! When I say I blow 'em all to Hell an' escape, that's exactly what I do! There ain't no chance that I don't blow 'em all to Hell if I say I'm gonna do so! An' there ain't no chance that I don't escape if I say I'm gonna do so! That's all there is to it! Do you get me!? GM: Uh, Yeah? Johnson: Yeah, what!? GM: Yeah, Sir!? Yeah, Johnson's no fun at the gaming table.[/quote] Lmao nice. What about the theory that he was a Spartan I though, that could have possibly given him the skill to get away, not just because he had Boren's Syndrome. [Edited on 06.21.2009 7:32 AM PDT]
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I don't know why, but this seems like a huge cop out to me. It may just be that I'm an RPer, and it just seems like Johnson did something like this. GM: Johnson, your squad is suddenly attacked. Infection forms come out of the walls, and swarm over your marines. Johnson: I blow 'em all to Hell an' escape! GM: ...What? Well, you gotta make an attack roll or someth- Johnson: No I most certainly do not! GM: Wha? Bu- Johnson: Listen here, you pansy-ass son o' -blam!-! When I say I blow 'em all to Hell an' escape, that's exactly what I do! There ain't no chance that I don't blow 'em all to Hell if I say I'm gonna do so! An' there ain't no chance that I don't escape if I say I'm gonna do so! That's all there is to it! Do you get me!? GM: Uh, Yeah? Johnson: Yeah, what!? GM: Yeah, Sir!? Yeah, Johnson's no fun at the gaming table.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Guscon The Master Chief doesn't keep getting killed, for one thing :)[/quote]I guess my gameplay must be strictly canonical then ;-)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SalmonWolf Johnson isn't immune to the flood! If you kill him just before the fight with guilty spark then when you come out kill him again, he can get infected.[/quote]I feel that game events that are caused by the player, or occur while the player is in control aren't always strictly canonical. The Master Chief doesn't keep getting killed, for one thing :)
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Johnson isn't immune to the flood! If you kill him just before the fight with guilty spark then when you come out kill him again, he can get infected.
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I think the 343 Guilty Spark cutscene can be ignored. Bungie wanted to establish a definitive version of his escape with the HGN. If the flood actually did penetrate his skin and attempt to posses him, surly this would have been shown in Breaking Quarantine. When Joe Staten was asked about the books being canon, he said they were, but in the future they would like to revise some elements, such as Johnson's Biological immunity to the flood. The the HGN appears, which claims to carve in stone the events of his escape, and does not show a failed attempt to posses him, and then later goes on to show us that the files that Dr. Halsey used to come up with the Boren's Syndrome theory were fake. It's clear that Boren's Syndrome was not the reason for his escape. He simply fought well.
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Replay 343 Guilty Spark. Sometimes, you can see a couple hundred infection forms gnawing away at Johnson's and Keye's feet before you go down. Flood infection forms are hard to fight, even for The Man. I find it harder to believe that he fought out than Boren's syndrome.
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Because he's black. Lol, just kidding. It probably wouldn't be because of Boren's Syndrome, because in their time period I'm sure that one of their medical professionals would be able to recreate the immunity to the flood from it.
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His escape was due to his own skill, but if you remember in H1, Jenkins' helmet-cam showed him being swarmed by Flood. It's likely that his Borens Syndrome made the infection forms incapable of doing any harm to him, possibly even going after the other marines before him (hive mind says "he no tasty"), but then he used his own skill to escape.
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Supposedly he's an ORION Spartan or Spartan I basically. Though this hasn't been totally verified. (At least not from what I've seen) So his skills are alot more likely his reason for escape.
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Well that's certainly the way I'd [i]prefer[/i] it was played out; him having some condition doesn't seem near as interesting. I do remember the interview where Staten mentioned he didn't like the idea of Boren's Syndrome. The fact that the MGy Sgt in Halo 2 asked Johnson how he survived to have him reply: "Sorry guns, that's classified" made me wonder as well why exactly it would be classified as to how he returned home when Boren's syndrome was a known condition. [Edited on 06.20.2009 5:55 PM PDT]
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I'm fairly sure that the current canon has him heroically fighting off the flood and escaping without a failed attempt to infect him. Joe Staten mentioned that Johnson's Biological immunity to the flood was something that they would like to change, and the Breaking Quarantine Story does not show him being infected by the flood. Considering how the introduction to the story says that they would like to carve the events of his escape in stone, and Joe Staten saying they'd like to undue his biological immunity, I'm guessing Boren's Syndrome had nothing to do with his escape. They even go further to show that the documents Halsey based her theory on was a fake. So, I'm 95% sure that current canon does not involve Boren's Syndrome in the escape, and it was just his skill. [Edited on 06.20.2009 5:40 PM PDT]
