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6/14/2004 1:06:39 AM
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Building Your Own PC Gaming Rig: A How To Guide.

Many out there in PC land have opted to buying a Pre-Made computer from companies like eMachines, Dell, And Compaq. I know this because they come into my shop all the time under the arms of unhappy, unsatisfied gamers who thought the deal they were getting was great...until they tried to play graphically instensive games (like Halo PC) on them. To avoid such annoying ( and costly ) visits to your local computer repair-guy. Try and build your own PC. Its really not that difficult, and after you have done it you can show your buddies how smart you are with your custom built rig. First off you cant be afraid of destroying the expensive electronics components that go into the computer. This will probably just make you nervous enough to actually do it. Computers are like linkin-logs that have electricity going through them. It is alot easier than you may think, and computer parts though made of realtively sensitive parts, are usualy quite durable. Second you need money. Depending on what kind of machine you want to build..from the extreme to the minimum sytem requirements for Halo PC. This whole adventure depends on how much you are able to spend. Fortunately when building your own system you can buy the parts from different vendors offering specials or lower prices on the parts you want, and you can get the parts induvidualy, and stack them up in a cool dry place, until the day you have all the parts to put togather. Thus making it able to budget out your final build months in advance (i.e. you buy a part or few parts a month till you got a whole computer). The major (needed) components that you need to buy for you machine are: 1 Power supply (PS)... The more fans the better. keeping this item cool in your case is VERY important as it probably will create the most heat in your case. It is best to get this item from a well known company (antec,coolermaster,thermaltake,soyo,enermax) as the more obscure ones ussually skimp on good components. If you plan on getting a newer graphics card they usually require thier own independent molex 5W dongle ( the 4 pin plug cables ), so make sure that the power supply has plenty of them. Some have independent SATA power dongles if that is what you plan on using. It is always to have a higher wattage PS so its not always working at its max. Having a larger power supply than needed insures you wont have to upgrade in the future. 1 Case (with or without power supply, made of Steel/plastic, aluminum...they come in differnet sizes and shapes depending on what kind of system you are building) 1 Motherboard ( there are alot of brands and configurations, its really up to you on which one you buy depending on what kind of system you are building ) 1 CPU (Central Processing Unit) Come in many different types and speeds, what you get will have to match your motherboards specifications. 1 Graphics Card (from the mild to the wild this is what makes the eye candy happen) Alot Alot of motherboards have integrated graphics on board, avoid buying one of these as they ususally dont have alot of power play graphically intense games (like Halo PC). 1 CD/ROM or DVD/ROM (depending on what you are wanting to do with your pc one or the other should do) Alot of new games are coming out on DVD making the number of disks in the package less, and also with the DVD/ROM you can watch movies with a program made to do so (alot of DVD/ROM drive have such programs bundled in the box) 1 Floppy Drive...now this is an old fashioned component that allows boot disks to function if you are running and OS that requires it. Or if you plan on ever doing anything in DOS. 1-? Hard Drive('s) ...Now some people have alot of games, or music, or videos, or (giggle) other questionable digital media. So what ever you are going to have on the storage drive('s) of the system, "how much" you have depends on how big and how many hard drives you have in the machine. Usually it best to have more than you think you will need, as a full hard- drive is ussually not a good thing when a game requiring 3gigs of space on your drive is in your CD/ROM telling you "insufficient hard drive space". Also having more than one drive is best, because the OS (operating system i.e. windows) requires a pretty big space on a single hardrive, leaving the rest for the games and other programs you choose to put on this drive. So getting a larger primary HD (hard drive) is ussualy a better choice, and having a second storage HD for things like your music, videos, and (giggle) other stuff. 1-?? Sticks of RAM.. depending on your motherboard you may be limited to, or have alot of options on what kind of RAM you buy and how much your mobo ( Motherboard ) can have. I would always say that you stay with Mobo Maufacturers recommendation as far as what kind and what configuration of RAM to use. 1(or ?) Soundcard... Now Alot of newer tech has placed digital 6.1-8.1 surround sound onboard most if not all the new mobo's(motherboards). this is great if you have a home theater system with inputs for such things. If you only use headphones, or dont have to cash to dole out on such things, this is still ok as the onboard sound can be configured to 2 channel stereo. If you want the most high-tech surround experience available, take a look at the line of audigy2 ZS cards from Creatve Labs, this has a little thaing called EAX that makes the surround sound a part of your games. Personally when I heard the ejected shells from my shotgun bouncing around the hard floor of the library in Halo PC, I was sold on the fact that my 6.1 surround and audigy ZS Platinum Pro was now VERY worth what I had spent. Now you should be ready to start buying. Here are a few links to help you make your choices. This is my favorite as far as cases and power supplies go. They are american made and have a great warrantee, plus other companies (try) to copy the advances made by this company. [url]http://www.antec.com [/url] This is by far the most well known and oldest company selling cases and cooling solutions. [url]http://www.coolermaster.com [/url] Here are a few more Case Makers: [url]http://www.thermaltake.com/psu.htm [/url] [url]http://www.lian-li.com [/url] [url]http://www.chieftec.com [/url] [url]http://www.kingwin.com [/url] Here are a few links to Mobo (motherboard) makers. Some makers are newer at the game but have great products. Always make sure you product has a good warrantee that will be around for a while. computer technology is like any other (there are mistakes made) so just in case you are sent a lemon its always nice to know you can get another new one sent to you. [url]http://www.asus.com[/url] [url]http://www.msicomputer.com/[/url] [url]http://www.soyousa.com[/url] [url]http://www.giga-byte.com[/url] [url]http://www.abit-usa.com[/url] [url]http://www.biostar-usa.com[/url] [url]http://www.dfi.com.tw/index_noflash.jsp[/url] [url]http://www.leadtek.com[/url] There are a few different Mobo makers. which one you choose will rely on what option/configuration you want your motherboard to have. Here ae a few links to different Graphics card makers. Depending on how much you are willing to spend and what kind of computer you are building will show you you what kind of card you will buy. [url]http://www.evga.com[/url] [url]http://www.pny.com/products/verto/[/url] [url]http://www.bfgtech.com/[/url] [url]http://www.xfxforce.com/index-interim.php[/url] [url]http://www.leadtek.com[/url] [url]http://www.gainward.com[/url] This is a link to a site that reviews hardware with a serious purpose to find out what kind of value and performance is possible, and if the component is actually worth the plastic and metal it is made of: [url]http://www.tomshardware.com [/url] on this site you can get ratings that actually have real people looking at what is actually worth buying, now its not always what you should buy, but it gives you an idea on what major (or unknown) brands are the most reliable, and worth your money. Now that you have checked out the ratings on different brand you are probably wondering where in the heck you are going to start looking for all these parts, well a site that alot of people use is: [url]http://www.pricewatch.com[/url] This is a site that other re-sellers use to advertise thier specials, and get new customers by beating out the prices of thier competitors. Another site that helps you choose which one of the pricewatch.com re-sellers is the right one for you (as far as how good they are at re-selling) is: [url]http://www.resellerratings.com[/url] *finding a good price is one thing, but finding it at a reseller that has great reviews is better Now that you have all that you need to find the components to build your computer. Your gonna need a little info on what to do with them once you have them. Every computer is basically the same to put togather, but at the same time they are all little different. So to give you a blanket effect as to the essential computer building instructions I will turn you over to a page that not only has VERY helpfull instuctions, it also has pictures. Here is Reg Stevens helpful guide to building your own PC: [url]http://www.regstevens.co.uk/build.htm [/url] *now this link is almost a year old so if any newer tech stuff is troubling you just post here and I will do my best to help you out. Congradulations I hope this helped you to realize your dreams of a killer custom built rig, both this topic and coylters' guide to the PC will go hand in hand like gleeful schoolgirls to help you on your way to building your new computer. My Comp AMD 64bit Athlon 3200 CPU Asus K8V Mobo 1gig matched infineon Xtreme RAM 2 X 120GB seagate SATA HD's Geforce FX 5950ultra (soon to upgraded to the 6800ultra) audigy2 ZS Platinum Pro w/6.1 THX surround speaker system aluminum Antec SuperLanboy w/ 480W PS [Edited on 7/4/2004 4:13:24 PM]
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  • This is a good post, with plenty of ideas on what to choose for your system. Remember that you can always go to your local computer store (these days, the Mom-and-Pop ones are better than the big boxes for this) and ask for their advice. For comparison, My Comp: [*]Intel P4 3.1GHz CPU [*]MSI i865Pe Neo2 Mobo (a great board if you're not into overclocking) [*]512 MB PC333 DDR RAM (I forgot to ask which manufacturer) [*]1x120GB Western Digital 7200rpm HD [*]Radeon 9600PRO video card [*]Audigy2 sound card (can't remember the specific model, but it does have the FireWire port and it supports THX) [*]Altec Lansing ACS40 4.1 speaker set left over from my aulden beast [*]ATX midtower case with 350W power supply Last October it cost me $1700 CAD (about $1100 USD) to have built, including OS and some software. -- Steve is very happy with his not-so-new toy/not-toy.

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  • Do you accept me to put your post in my huge pc help sticky post? [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color= 000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color= 000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/1 0957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066 ]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote] [Edited on 6/13/2004 6:23:10 PM]

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  • Well i use a laptop for running Halo and it works just fine. But that is cause i spent $4000+ for it I think that a custom computer is good but if something goes wrong, it makes it that harder to replace the stuff then with something like a Gateway/Dell

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dead_fish Well i use a laptop for running Halo and it works just fine. But that is cause i spent $4000+ for it I think that a custom computer is good but if something goes wrong, it makes it that harder to replace the stuff then with something like a Gateway/Dell[/quote] Its actually harder to replace things in a dell (or any other brand) than in a custom computer. [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dead_fish I think that a custom computer is good but if something goes wrong, it makes it that harder to replace the stuff then with something like a Gateway/Dell[/quote] If something goes wrong in a custom computer, just pull out the bad hardware and replace it through the company warrenty or go to the store where you bought it. With a Dell of Gateway, you have take your whole computer and go to the tech service center.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ekul1021 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dead_fish I think that a custom computer is good but if something goes wrong, it makes it that harder to replace the stuff then with something like a Gateway/Dell[/quote] If something goes wrong in a custom computer, just pull out the bad hardware and replace it through the company warrenty or go to the store where you bought it. With a Dell of Gateway, you have take your whole computer and go to the tech service center.[/quote] Custom built computers only carry the warrantee of the induvidual makers per each piece of hardware installed. While the major "branded" computers (gateway,dell, compaq, ect. ) carry an "all-inclusive" warrantee that usually is voided unless an "official" tech provider works (or even cracks the case open) on these "branded machines". This is fine for some that have a local "brand" store nearby. Also alot of Mom an Pop stores have qualified techs that get the Licsensing to be the official techs for such "brands" where the abiltiy to take the ailing machine to a local "brand store" is not possible. Other companies like Alienware have the option of built in software diagnostic software that can find and transmit all problems to a live tech that can then tell you what to do with you machine, or in fact do it for you via the internet, but in the case of a hardware failure, either the tech comes to you or you send the machine to them. Thus making the computer unavailible for use during the downtime. On contrary to this system the custom built system can be opened up and teched by the owner (usually the person that built it). There are a number of different diagnostic tools that can be used (dxdiag in the "run" box for windows), and even more that can be downloaded for free to help you find your problem (memtest86 for RAM problems). Also if there is a problem with certain piece of software, larger companies like Microsoft have a great support system in place to help you find what is bugging your computer through log entries that windows automatically writes and saves during such errors. If the problem is a hardware issue, and your bugged part has a warrantee most companies will will RMA (return merchandise authorization) the old part for a brand new one. During the time it takes to get the new one back from the maker you can replace it with a substitute for the time being with a cheaper (but equally useful) replacement part. Which are cheap and ussually found used or like-new at a small mom and pop computer store near you. There are advantages to having the all inclusive warrantee, say a power-supply frys your whole system (yes it does happen saw an eMachine smoking 3 weeks after it was bought, totally melted the Mobo), the "brand" warrantee gets you a whole new system, while the custom system may or may not be able to be RMA'd to build a whole new one. Seeing as most people want to have the best possible parts being put into thier custom machine this would probably not happen. So the choice lies with the consumer. Personnally I wrote this topic to help those trapped in the "brand" world to explore the wonderful universe of building thier very own computer. [Edited on 6/14/2004 12:22:33 AM]

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  • The motherboard's a -blam!- to install in some cases (like mine).

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] goweb The motherboard's a -blam!- to install in some cases (like mine).[/quote] Some cases are built with a small form factor making the larger ATX mobos REALLY difficult to fit into them. A few case companies have combated this problem with removable mobo trays that slide out and in to ease mobo installment. Those that do not carry such an option definately are sometimes a real (blam) to fit into the case. Before buying a case make sure that it will fit the form factor of your mobo. (i.e. dont buy a shuttle case for an ATX mobo). If you are having any problems just post here and I will do my best to help guide you on your way to self-built computer bliss.

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  • [quote]A few case companies have combated this problem with removable mobo trays that slide out and in to ease mobo installment.[/quote] That's like mine. The problem is sliding it back in.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] goweb [quote]A few case companies have combated this problem with removable mobo trays that slide out and in to ease mobo installment.[/quote] That's like mine. The problem is sliding it back in.[/quote] Since you seem like someone that already has a pretty good grasp on how to build a PC. I wont tell you that the PC mobo is probably the most important piece of hardware NOT to hurt. For all others I just want to say that you should treat this one piece with much care as it is the integral part that all other parts connect to. If a resistor (or some other mobo component) is to tall (which some are very) and it is blocking the path of the sliding mobo drawer. I would suggest putting the mobo in the old fashioned way. While the the mobo tray is out, measure the holes in the mobo to the ones in the tray and where they meet up screw in the stand-off screws (the brass hexagonal ones that have a screw hole in one side). Then take the back plate by itself and fit it into the mobo tray. Without connecting the mobo to the tray (as doing so would not allow the tray to slide in correctly) slide the tray into the case and secure it with the screws provided. Now lower the mobo onto the stand-offs and fit the ports (PS2, usb, printer, sound) through the cooresponding holes in the back face plate. attach the mobo with 1 screw in the right-hand most center hole, to hold it into place. Now that its holding itself into place put screw in the other holes and secure the mobo to all the stand-offs you placed in the Mobo tray. This may take some time, but dont get impatient. Always make sure that your screwdriver is the NON-MAGNETIZED type, and dont push too hard on the screwdriver when screwing in the mobo.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] goweb That's like mine. The problem is sliding it back in.[/quote] If you have the case on it side and trying to slide the motherboard, then yeah, its more difficult to do it that way. The best way to slide it back according to the Kingwin case is put the case back in position and slide the tray since you have aline the rail and tray together. [Edited on 6/14/2004 11:04:15 AM]

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  • Good job. This is really awesome for newbies and people who want newer comps. However, if your budget is very tight, there is one electronics store you should not sell short, FutureShop (or BestBuy). In extreme cases of insufficent fund syndrome, Futureshop can be an EXCELLENT source for computers (especially since they now offer custom built ones with brand name parts). The only thing I have a prob with on your guide, is the fact that most of the companies stated are very expensive (if they are the actual manufacturer). IMO, most things like cases and stuff should be bought as cheap as possible, in order to allow for better hardware. Of course, this is coming from one that is very very budget minded. Once I get enough money together, an AMD 64 is movin into my room!

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  • If you're a then building your own computer probably isn't the best idea. It still requires a fair bit of know-how (instructions can be fairly patchy). Asking a knowledgeable mate is a good idea, or popping down to your local computer shop and asking for a bit of help.

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  • I think we should make [b]1[/b] big PC help topic. [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • but then, ou would have people asking for help with certain topics and not finding specific info. This one could be strictly about building/hardware...

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] let me live The only thing I have a prob with on your guide, is the fact that most of the companies stated are very expensive (if they are the actual manufacturer). IMO, most things like cases and stuff should be bought as cheap as possible, in order to allow for better hardware.[/quote] No problem, I understand that the examples I gave were from the more "major" hardware makers, but for a good reason. When someone builds a killer PC they usually want the best to go into it. This is to prevent any possible future failure of equipment. Such failure may lead to the eventual or immediate failure of another more expensive piece of hardware. Having a "cheaper" case-fan or power-supply burning out, stopping you in the middle of a stellar gaming experience is dissapointing, especially when you are smelling smoke coming out of your case. Alot of the metioned makers of hardware have broad ranges of products for any budget, from the most expensive extreme gear to the simply priced solution. You can use this link to [url=http://www.pricewatch.com] Pricewatch.com [/url] to get to a site that has an option to show you different products based on price, or maker, and model. This is a helpful tool for alot of PC builders including myself . Things like case-fans dont have to be the most expensive, but its always nice to put a product you wont have to replace (too soon) in your rig (example: bought a pair of coolermaster 80mm case-fans 4 years ago, run them almost 24/7since then, no problems). I understand looking at a pile of REALLY expensive computer parts stacking up in your closet, and not putting them in a case and gaming on them is a VERY daunting task (trust me I watched the pile of 64bit goodnesss lay in my closet for months), but in the end, it is very worth putting them all into a REALLY nice case. [Edited on 6/14/2004 11:45:36 PM]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] goweb If you're a then building your own computer probably isn't the best idea. It still requires a fair bit of know-how (instructions can be fairly patchy). Asking a knowledgeable mate is a good idea, or popping down to your local computer shop and asking for a bit of help.[/quote] This is exactly the reason I started this topic. Alot of people who are "newer" to the PC scene feel limited to the "pre-made" PC market. While they watch others with custom built monster rigs get better FPS (frames per second); ultimately, causing them a type of computer-envy that is not at all healthy. I happen to be one of those "computer-shop" guys. Alot of first time PC builders have asked my opinion on many different subjects. Another topic posted in this forum [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475] Little guide to the knowledge of the PC [/url] is doing a great job at pointing people in the right direction of hardware that doesnt suck. Here I would like to address the questions of the "newer" (or first time) PC builders that aspire to create thier own version of the PC. So, consider both this topic and myself ambassadors of the "first-time" PC builder territory.

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  • Yes I am a noob to computers lol but want a newer(better) computer wich will play halo so i can make maps.Only reason no good computer I buy to many xbox games.

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  • well buying other things (xbox games), can and will prevent the build up of the most important compter building related tool... Cash. You will need to save this "cash" to buy all the parts that will go into your new computer. Xbox games are usually about 50 dollars a piece roughly. Most motherboards are around the 150-250 dollar range. So you will have to stop and save when you want to go and spend. Just get an envelope and a secret spot to hide things, or a bank account. Put money in this spot as much as you can, and forget that it is their. In no time you will have enough for the fundementals of a new system. You can still get games for your xbox to feed the need of video gaming, just limit yourself to fewer than you have been buying. I understand that watching your computer hardware just sit there without being able to play anything on it is a hard thing to do (ive done it). Just look forward to what kind of great graphics and multiplay will be availible for your enjoyment in the future. Remember to try and buy the best you can, if you skimp on "good enough" parts your probably skimping on quality too. Just save and buy slowly getting one piece at a time. If you need help choosing what kind of hardware you need, just leave a message here and I will be happy to help.

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  • My first post! I'm a PC-techie myself.. I am always annoyed when someone brings up a case that is impossible to open. Some of these include: HP, Sony, Compaq, etc. you get my point. The cards, memory, etc. inside are almost impossible to get at without taking EVERYTHING apart!.. My suggestion to those intending on purchasing a new system: go to the street corner's computer shop, make sure it has a good labour warranty and you're set. Plus, you most likely will get more up-to-date hardware (large OEM's like Dell try to give away obsolete hardware, ie. Pentium 4 processors using the old 533MHz bus, DDR-333... which is already unupgradeable to the newer 800MHz bus using DDR-400 memory). In addition, you will have complete customization of parts that you would like in your new computer (mostly more memory [RAM], better graphics card, larger hard drive, better monitor... for what else besides our beloved games...shouts to Halo!!). For more information about hardware, I usually go to www.abxzone.com and check out the hardware forums there... very friendly community.

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  • Im getting a new pc in July, its not a custom pc and thats the big problem, because its an emachine and it has crapy parts like its gfx card, so i wanted to know if i can build a mid ranged gaming pc with 650$ cause that is the money i have for spendig for a new pc and i dont want to buy a Dell or something like that becasue i will end up with trash that cannot play games like Halo Pc with no lag and eye candies on. I would like you guys to tell me or to guide me to buy good parts for a gaming pc with a maximun of 700$ for the whole Desktop. A list would be nice...if that is not too much asking. BTW Im new to pcs thats why i was going to buy an emachines t3065 :P

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  • Well I looked at the eMachine you were looking to buy, and yes you can build a better one for the same ($700) pricetag. The fact is that you need to realize what the most important parts are going to be for you. It seems that you are going to be playing alot of Halo Pc on it, so you are going to need a pretty nice graphics card. First thing you should do is make a text file on you current desktop. Then go to [url]http://www.pricewatch.com[/url] and search for all the parts listed above (in my original topic post) . Then find the parts and cut and paste the links to those parts on that text file, and save it. This text file are what you need for the whole computer and should have all prices listed. Now I will help you, but you have to do the foot-work. Remember to stick with brand names (like the ones I have listed). Dont worry that you have never done this before. There are alot of things people get nervous about before they do it for the first time. Just relax and know that you are going to enjoy somthing that you built. I was just wondering why you have limited your budget to $700? That seems like a great starting investment, but I have to warn you that usually when some one starts this adventure, they find that they are going to upgrade later to fit thier continuing needs (i.e. bigger or more hard drives, better graphics cards). For you I would suggest concentrating your money on the minimum system requirements of Halo PC. Now you should really invest in a good graphics card as Halo Pc is a VERY graphic intensive game. If you want any eyecandy, and no lag issues, go for a nvidia geforceFX 5700 or better. Personnaly I dont like ATI cards but if you want to go that direction try a radeon 9600 or better. Dont forget that buying 1 piece at a time is probably the best move on your budget. Inquire at local computer stores that arent part of any major "chain" or "brand". They may have systems already built in your price-range that play Halo Pc great (always make sure they have good labor warrantees on what they have built). This is usually the best "middle path", its not a "brand" name and you didnt build it, but chances are you will find a shop that is full of gamers that want to build machines for people just like you (and themselves). [Edited on 6/28/2004 2:49:28 PM]

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  • A friend of mine dissed the P4(cpu) & said he didn't like them, but I would think that they're the best. Can u give some Pro advise. Also, compared to "Intel Xeon 3.06 GHz CPU", which one is better. more info on Xion \/ \/ http://shop.bizrate.com/marketplace/product_info/overview/index__cat_id--403,prod_id--7379898.html

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  • First off the P4 chip (depending on the core type) is an all around good chip, but the fact is that it runs hot (really hot). So you usually have to buy an after-market fan and heat-sinc to cool it with any type of real effectiveness. This makes putting it into your case, and buying a motherboard for it less attractive to me (so I stick with AMD). Though the P4 remains a main-stay of the CPU market. I work with P4 based systems on a regular basis, and have found the HT (hyper threading ) technology to be a great option that intel has produced for thier CPU's. I believe HT is only availible on P4 chips. Compared to the Xeon the P4 was made for different applications. The Xeon was designed to go into server machines usually in the dual CPU configuration. So using the Xeon for the PC wouldnt be as cost effective to me as the newer P4 chipsets. Now if you are loking for the best P4 availible try going to [url=http://http://www.tomshardware.com/]this[/url] website and look around until you find out what specs each chip has, and how it applies to different applications you may want to run. Now with that said I think that everyone should switch to AMD. They run cooler, and alot more stable. There has been less problems (coming into my shop) with AMD CPU based machines than there has been (a steady stream of) P4 CPU based machines. Now I understand that this has alot to do with the other parts of such problem computers, but heat has been a real issue. If you have a great case that has a minimum of 5 case fans; then you are ready of the P4. If not you risk killing another piece of hardware with the heat produced by the P4. Heat is like the grim reaper to all hardware. That is the main reason I stick with AMD (well that and I love my 64bit athlon). So I hope I have answered your questions, and helped you out. Please note that I am saying that both the P4 and the Xeon are great chips if you prefer intel over AMD, but they are really designed for different applications. [Edited on 6/28/2004 1:00:55 PM]

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  • Thanks, that helped a lot. But that raises another question, "What about the motherboard?" What motherboard is best for AMD, & which is good for P4. And ofcourse it has to have a good RAM & Video Slot (x8).

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  • Thanks, i was on the fence on that one.

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