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originally posted in:Thee Warriors
6/3/2014 5:46:38 AM
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I hate stupid articles like this.
OMG! We totally solved the problem with gun shot wounds!!!!!!!1!!!1!!
Ones left there on purpose.
The problem with this entire concept is that people who are victims of gun shot wounds rarely die from external bleeding. This "gun shot patch" will not work for internal bleeding in large body cavities. It will not stop solid organs from bleeding into potential spaces. It will not stop an injured lung from leaking air or blood and causing a pneumothorax or hemothorax.
Gun shot wounds are incredibly complex. This "plug" will only be useful in a minority of wounds caused by gunshots and probably cost ridiculous amounts of money to produce...not to mention the problems of having to pull out dozens of small sponges to actually evaluate and repair a wound on the physician side.
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3 RepliesEdited by Obi Wan Stevobi: 6/3/2014 3:49:44 PMNonsense, I was playing Halo ODST and saw a guy impaled by a Brute. He was coughing up blood and everything and the biofoam fixed him right up.
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1 ReplyHalf of the time Soldiers will just pack a wound tight with dirt or sand. It may not be healthy, but then again being shot is healthy either and anything to keep them going is better than nothing. This Foam stuff is merely a waste of time. Unless they develop something that can physically patch up wounds internally for a short period of time there's no point.
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Maybe this is used on the field to be a temp fix to stop the bleeding on their way to the MASH 4077.
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[quote]OMG! We totally solved the problem with gun shot wounds! [/quote] Confirmed by a real doctor! I will send a fax to the company at once! They will be exhilarated! Bob's avatar shall be on the front of the package, his fame shall [url=http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/thumbs-up-matt-leblanc.gif]know no bounds[/url]!
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I love all the people in this thread who try to argue with a freaking doctor...
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You have to start some where.
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Stealing posts from Recon eh? Tisk tisk
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Stop being such a downer, Scotty. You just wish you thought of it first. [spoiler]Guaranteed jimmies rustled.[/spoiler]
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You sound like you know what you're talking about. Is there anyway to actually fix all types of gunshot wounds on the field without surgery?
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1 ReplyEdited by Progo: 6/5/2014 2:25:21 AMTo me, the biggest deal is whether it can be used often enough to justify it's presence in a first aid kit. It probably weighs an ounce or two, and isn't very small. Also, I totally respect your medical authority, but in our modern military soldiers wear advanced body armor on their chests and backs, I think limb injury is the big deal here, and I think that's the type of wound where this would work best. (Vs just packing the wound by hand)
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6 RepliesOh God! Contradicting Ninja views! I dunno who to listen to ;~;
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I think this was developed four things like getting shot in the arm or leg, not head/torso.
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I agree, the problem with GSW is internal hemorrhaging, as well as the kinetic force that damages other organs (depending on the caliber). I mean I guess I can see it helping if the bullet hits an artery. [spoiler]I'm only an EMT-B, don't hurt me, Mr. Doctor man ;_;[/spoiler]
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This reminds me of the Medigel foam from ODST.
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9 RepliesEdited by animal molestar: 6/3/2014 6:27:01 AM[quote]i am an edgy ninja who think he knows more than scientists[/quote] wow dude you're so smart
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2 RepliesEdited by Verachi: 6/3/2014 7:02:59 AMDidn't Biggie Smalls die because his fat plugged up the bullet holes in his body making him bleed internally? Wouldn't this do the same?
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5 RepliesEdited by Failure4Life: 6/3/2014 7:00:41 AMGotta make bio-foam. Then I can have real life medigel!
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Edited by Trick-Star: 6/3/2014 6:57:17 AMbobcast, this article reminded me of cryonic suspension for some reason, probably because I heard about it a few days ago. Anyway, how do you feel about suspension? Do you think it can and will become a modern and frequent medical process?
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[quote]Optican Healthcare on Demand.[/quote] My brain if crashing all trains of thought. Medigel is the only one to make it to this thread.
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I had a question about that. It seemed to me that chest and abdominal wound would need surgery to get the little sponges out. Unless they were bioresorbable, which the article is mute about. Even if they were, it seems that it would take a while, and leave a mess that would require more cutting to clean up. I guess for a certain type of wound this would be a good thing. I wonder how it would fair when the femoral were hit. That's a lot of blood at once.
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Edited by Jim the Jew Lord: 6/3/2014 6:30:59 AMoh just saw the other thread im dumd
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The only article here is yourself, boobcat.
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4 RepliesThe pressure from the expanding sponges should be enough to stop the bleeding in most vessels. Though if it's a nicked or ruptured artery it may only work once volume of blood is low, i.e. pressure. Like you said though, evaluating the wound once in a hospital setting will be too time consuming, and life threatening at that point. Not to mention the chance of an embolism from the negative space in the sponges themselves. All the air has to go somewhere. As a person that has treated a GSW I would have to say that this would still be a better option than just applying pressure, fluids, and oxygen. Or at least something I would like to have in my kit. As for the price, I remember hearing that these can be produced for around $10 USD.
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