last time I tried vog with randoms at gatekeepers. those guys are lvl.30 doing normal vog. trying to carry 2 persons of lvl 26 and 27. I had to do both portals. killed first gatekeeper and dropped the shield outside, to let my teammates to pickup in order to get the second relic. when l was back after killing 2nd gatekeeper, these guys all failed cuz the minotaur killed them all. No 1 is using heavies. the lvl 30 guy even said: i need to wait for yhose mobs to drop heavy ammo synthesis. before i enter with another lvl 30 to kill the gatekeeper..