Well, now its been three days since Iron Banner was out and we are seeing more level 30s before the DLC comes out. It also seems that there is a lot of flaming of the Iron Banner level 30s as somehow we were gifted level 30, even though we had to grind through Crucible for hours. Could it be that these "real" level 30s are envious of those who succeeded in the Iron Banner because they could not do it themselves? The reason I ask this is some of these trolls have horrific crucible records and would explain why they have a disdain towards the Iron Banner. I mean, if I sucked at something, I would make up excuses to not do it either, just human nature. [spoiler]I am no means a good PvP player and doing Iron Banner was great because it took me out of my comfort zone and was forced to learn a new gametype. IMO, a true level 30 is one that can succeed in the Raid and have endured the Iron Banner. That is the full Destiny experience... that Bungie intended ;-) But 30 is 30 no matter how you cut it![/spoiler]