The new and improved Iron Banner is great. I used to think of Crucible as my only alternative to playing the raid if we had 4 or more friends in our fireteam. It is fun but co-op is the main attraction for me. The Iron Banner is now an awesome place to work as a team, have other ways of getting to level 30, and to collect some badass weapons. Why can't iron banner have a permanent home in Destiny? Lots of people don't have time to stick it out for a 2 hour or more raid with the possibility of not getting their sought after armor. Iron banner is a great way to play a few matches, knowing that you have edged closer to that much needed piece of gear. Crucible can continue to serve the casual, Iron Banner for the more competitive and hardcore. It gives more people time to prepare for your much anticipated expansions. (Like my friends, none of who are 30 yet) Is there anybody out there? Thoughts?