You've literally gave the worst case scenario, you want a gun buffed because you lack the ability to headshot and hit the target?
[b][u]Don't be offended[/u][/b] I'm not insulting your ability to pvp, I'm just saying that's what you post suggests.
You miss one bullet, you land 3 non headshots, (maybe 2 body 1 head, not sure. But I know for a fact thorn kills in 2 headshots) so the gun is weak?
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I am not offended. It should be a discussion, so people do not have to have the same opinions. ;) I never told that this weapon is weak. The essence of what I wanted to say is: Once you have to reload, you are out of the battle. I am not sure that 2 headshots kill a person with full health. But I never gave it a closer look. And if you are against a teleporting warlock or hunter I rather take the 2 bodyshots over a possible nothing.
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Edited by Grimlock: 11/10/2014 2:25:28 PMAnd what I'm saying is 2 headshots is a kill lol. It is fact, so perfect scenario is 6 bullets= possible 3 kills with no reload... That's half the enemy team with no reload when played perfect....with grenades and a possible weapon swap to defend yourself in case you can't reload. Someone asking for more than that is a bit silly IMO why would you need a gun to kill more then half the enemy team without using headshots? Or reloading? They literally just nerfed Vex because of 2 body shot kills. Beyond that hand cannons are precision guns, that is also a fact, they are meant to be use for headshots just like scout rifles. If you want a body shot weapon you have auto rifles.
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Compare Thorn to Lord High Fixer. It is a legendary hand cannon. It should also 2 hit an enemy with headshots. It has 11 bullets and better reload time. It even has the radar active while aiming. I never meant to say that Thorn is a bad weapon. It is just not worth the "exotic" status compared to this other hand cannon. I will get the other weapon. With your calculation it should almost be able to take out an entire team.
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But it doesn't lol, thorn is 2 headshots because it's poison cleans house after, why are you assuming all hand cannons can 2 headshot because thorn can?
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No but compare to the other exotics hand cannot and it's insufficient. TLW can body shot you and not care. The Hawk moon does 2 shot consistently. The legendary pistols, do can and do two head shot you and but have better stats than thorn (and the attributes can be randomly generated). Skill is irrelevant here imo.