""Crucible is fun and only people who can't get better at it, think it sucks."" congrats,, you win dumbest point on the forum.

Nope, that's your blinded vision. You can't adapt to games rules, when it comes to fighting actual enemies controlled by human players that's why the PvE crowd wants everThing PvP related removed or say the Crucible suck. And sooooo many time, an exotic bounty is the actual reason for saying that. Not the Crucible sucks, the players are the reason. You are. Most people here complain with statements "I suck at PVP and the game still forces me to do PvP". Ok, I can accept that. But then I wonder, how is the actual PvE skill level from such people? When they started to play Destiny they surely sucked at it as well, just like me. But there was a learning curve. We all adapted to the game and how it's meant to be played. Now we literally speed run Strikes without even knowing it. And now I ask: what keeps you from learning the PvP part? People fear getting killed over and over again by other players. That's all. Wat keeps you from using your playstyle, aiming etc in PvP matches? No one here is asking for a pro player. But at least everyone should be able to do an average job in PvP and for PvP exotic bounties. That's not a big deal and EVERYONE can achieve that. But no, people scream: "stop forcing me to play PVP". And I say: "Nope, just play the game". Stop being lazy and wanting everything the easy way, when the game says "here, come and beat that challenge". I have to play the RAID as well when I want level 30 access and primaries with elemental damage. Who the -blam!- is asking the dedicated PvP crowd for rewards and loot and nearly all the other exotic bounties which are PvE related? Are they complainig? No. And if you can't be average in PvP: drop the bounty, stop playing PvP or whatsoever. No one here is deleting your character if you can't complete an exotic bounty but everytime I see such posts it sounds like as if Bungie is actuall doing that. And if you don't want to, a Bungie.net ninja slaps you in the face with your own DVD case of Destiny... Makes me sick to hear that the PvE only players say "Crucible sucks" because they don't have the guts to play and at least try it. So I'm the the dumbest person here? I give that compliment back to every PvP hater.

spidey your statement was patently false , and rather dismissive. You make lots of assumptions and lump anyone who disagrees with you into the same pot. I stand by my comment.