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Edited by Cultmeister: 10/25/2014 3:39:10 PM
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Your thoughts, feelings and experiences create who you are, therefore the two worlds (inside and outside) can only exist together. If your mind exists, then the world that created it must also exist. If the world that created your mind doesn't exist, then neither can your mind. Could your brain be being fed false information? Sure, it's possible that this is all fake, but you must then accept that if your outside world is fake then so is your inside world. You are only as real as the perceived environment that created you; no more no less.
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  • Edited by Prometheus25: 10/26/2014 6:20:30 AM
    If our interaction with our world is solely the result of billions to trillions of electro-chemical reactions and patterns, then a "false" reality being "fed" into our brain would still be true and completely valid. If you took one person sitting in a room and a second person having their synaptic patterns being forced to mimic that of a person sitting in the same room, both person's perceived realities would be entirely identical and thus entirely valid and true. I like to think of it mathematically. If, given [i]a[/i], [i]b[/i] is equal to [i]c[/i] (in other words, b(a) = c), then a second equation, with the exact same assumptions and constraints as the first (the second equation is in the same "reality" of the first), if [i]b[/i] is determined to equate to [i]c[/i], then the input to that equation [i]must[/i] be [i]a[/i]. Our realities are the manifestations of our senses of our environment. If a theoretical being is said to truly exist in the same reality as we perceive ourselves to be, it would have the same neural impulses as we do (removing fluctuations for personal experiences and all that). If that theoretical consciousness has no additional data, factors, or attributes that make it's assuredly true perceptions of it's reality more true, than our reality is equally as valid as the reality experienced by a truly existing being, meaning we are just as extant as can be.

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  • Edited by Cultmeister: 10/26/2014 8:36:56 AM
    Well, 'valid and true' can be taken however you want. If you're the kind of person who wants to talk about 'ultimate reality' then you might not accept that being fed information about the world from something that isn't 'truthful' (ie perceptions of sitting in a room being fed from a computer as opposed to actually sitting in a room) as being valid or true when talking about reality, because you'd consider reality and truthfulness something outside 'mere' human experience. In real-world terms though there is no difference between someone actually sitting in a room and someone who only thinks they are, their realities are exactly the same so from 'inside' there is no existential difference between them. My point is only that if you want to doubt the existence of your environment then you must take into account the fact that your environment created everything you perceive as 'you', so you should really be doubting your own existence as well.

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