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Edited by Phantom139: 10/24/2014 6:47:51 PM
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Why you SHOULD consider buying the Destiny DLC.

So by now, most of you have seen some people come onto these forums and make fools of themselves with these wild theories and post their silly "messiah's" video as their only proof to these theories, and I've honestly been having a cakewalk of laughter here in terms of this, and then they attacked me with words, so now it's time to take the gloves off here and punish them with the truth. They cite a video of why you shouldn't buy the DLC, so it's only fitting that you read my post on why you should buy the DLC packs. So let's get to it. First off, that introduction you read there will be the only bashing I do in this post, I'm done with long rant filled posts that usually catch the attention of some people as pure negativity. This post will have absolutely none of that, I'm only going to present the facts, and discuss them and I'll let common sense take over from there. Personally, I would have done better with my own counter-video, but to be honest, most of you I believe are tired of seeing go to 'x' Youtube page, watch, like & subscribe, so no, I don't want you to do that, just give this a good read. :) So most of you have at least seen a few of my posts or have read them, and some of you may not know everything about me. I run my own independent game development company. I have numerous years of programming experience, as well as experience in design and implementation from some small projects I have worked on or with, so you can trust me when I say that I know how games "work" internally. So, let's start with breaking down the most "shot at" point, which is Destiny's currently lacking story. Some of you know, and others don't know, that the lead writer of the story for Destiny left Bungie shortly after the first E3 trip that Bungie took, where they revealed a video of gameplay and talked about some mechanics in the game. Why he left is unknown to us, but what we do know is that during that time, and the time of the alpha/beta, the story as well as numerous game mechanics were changed. This is something that happens all too much in video games, let's not all forget the days of Halo 2 where we had a trailer of an awesome mission, and that wasn't in the final game. Content and mechanics get cut due to all sorts of reasons. Mechanics such as Trading, Gambling, and others were cut from the final product. The reasons, can only be told to you by Bungie, so I cannot provide it to you, just know that they may have been present before, but are gone now. As for the "amount" of story content in the game, this is where some frustration comes into play by people, but you need to also realize that Bungie had to change the story in about a Year's time, so they may have been running out of said time to get everything they wanted done, this is also something that can happen when you have big name titles, so the developer will polish up as much as they can to release to you. This is where the DLC packs enter the picture. How this works is when a game is nearing completion, the team behind the design will start working on the DLC packs for the game, this is how it always works, and sometimes this content may be put on the game's disk as a placeholder or a template to upcoming content (See DestinyTracker for info), in fact, many of you have already found some of this placeholder content, but if you've actually looked carefully, you'll notice it's not done yet. I think the best example I can provide is the upcoming "awesome" new gun Necrochasm, which is a reward for completing Crota's End on Hard. Have a look [url=http://db.destinytracker.com/inventory/item/2809229973]at this beauty[/url], but if you look closely, you'll see the noted [b]Cursebringer[/b] perk has a template icon in it's place, and there is no 3D model present for this gun. This tells us that the concept design and base stats were placed in the game prior to it going gold, but the actual implementation isn't actually done yet, IE: It's being worked on, sound familiar? [quote]People are working on this content right now at Bungie. It's not finished.[/quote] Also, if you personally haven't actually explored some of these areas that have been found, please do so, and tell me what you actually find in there. You'll find a lot of glitches, non-working elements, and even placeholder or template art which is obviously not finalized, so again, as DeeJ best said, the content is being worked on. So all of these threads and hate messages about "Disk Locked Content" are not valid my friends, all MMO style games use the tactic of prior implementation to cut on the design work of the developers, IE: They're making it easier to deliver the content to you, sooner. This isn't to scare you, or some corporate bullcrap, these "pre-designed" areas are in place to get the content to you much quicker. WoW uses this tactic for every expansion they make, and that game is still going strong, and the people don't complain about those areas. So, why are you community, doing the same to Bungie, when they're using this tactic to [b]HELP YOU[/b], the player? It just doesn't make sense to me. The last thing I'd like to address here is something very cool, the fact that those are "placeholders" in the DB of the game files tells me that there's definitely a lot of cool new stuff actually coming to the game. I believe fully, that the "leak" or "rumor" of the third subclass and the content of Crota's End from the anonymous tester is 100% true, in fact, if Bungie was dispatching their Ninja's to "delete it or face a ban", then it kind of points to the fact that it's probably true. So people please, chill out. This is a MMO-Style game that is very early in it's life. We need to be helping Bungie give us the experience we want to enjoy here. They don't want to read hundreds of rant posts and hate all day, they want honest feedback to help bring the experience to you. Bungie employees are also Guardians, they want to have the exciting journey that you're taking part in. Don't take in these hate filled videos with silly theories as truth. Unless the information is directly confirmed as truth by means of Bungie telling us that it is, or by means of us actually seeing it for ourselves, it is nothing more than a personal opinion, which is not true information, which is why we finally reach the end of my discussion, and why I think you'd be missing out on an awesome experience to let one 30 minute video ruin what would be a wonderful expansion to your game. Game on Guardians, and I'll see you in Crota's End in December! [b]Edit: My note on the upcoming content part has been clarified ash55, the post/thread was deleted due to it breaking the rules of the forum, genuine leak or not[/b] [b]Edit 2:[/b] [b]Too Long Didn't Read[/b] People who are posting videos on youtube attacking your decision to buy the DLC are not legitimate because there is no solid proof to what they are providing you with, IE: they're lying to you, or pushing an agenda of their own. You should at least consider buying the DLC's due to the cool stuff we've already seen some templates for in the game's database, and finally, the DLC isn't done yet, it's being worked on right now, so these threads and theories suggesting otherwise are wrong. [b]To All:[/b] I do appreciate the select individuals who have provided constructive comments, however the most of you are obviously too hooked on negativity to resort to attacks on me and anyone who disagrees with you, which is honestly an attack on your own credibility. Your "Self-Entitlement" behavior will not be tolerated any more in this thread, if you have nothing constructive to provide, don't bother posting as you will simply be ignored. Opinions the other way will be completely ignored without a solid piece of evidence to back up your claim (Posting a youtube video will not be treated as such). Finally, in no way or form am I required to post a video to make my own point, if you're too lazy to read or at least form a reasonable opinion based on facts, then don't bother posting either. Finally, to anyone who thinks attacking my credibility is a good idea, I guarantee you that it will only hurt you when I press that shiny report button for misinformation, I have provided my credentials many times before, so I don't need to do so again.

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  • I like how people fervently argue that it was original content because there are areas you can access already. They supposedly spent 5 years making this game, and you expect then too knock out the dlc start to finish in less than 6 months? My bosses would laugh you right out the -blam!-ing door. The reality of any software/game development is that future content gets staged in the live product well ahead of its actual release. If we have the resources to do it now, why not make the eventual release that much easier by staging portions of it? Release weekends are insane, I'll take any break I can get.

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  • Too... Many... Words...

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  • Maybe "Why you should CONSIDER buying the DLC" might have been a bit better way to phrase it. Anyways, I agree with you in regards to Bungie not wanting to read hundreds of rant posts all day and instead favoring honest feedback. While the angry posts can become a bit tiresome at times, I can definitely understand their frustration and rage. I have also seen plenty of solid, constructive feedback threads-whether or not Bungie actually takes this feedback into consideration and does something is another matter. I'm happy that I never spent money on this game and I was lucky that it was a birthday gift. If I had spent money on it, I imagine I would be quite frustrated and angered myself since although the game is certainly good in some areas, I still feel as if I am playing a beta. But that's me. It's nice that you have fun with this game and that you look forward to the dlc. I'm happy that you can find some enjoyment out of it.

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  • Bungie's employee of the month, ladies and gentlemen.

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    • You claim facts but i see no sources. Atleast in the "Don't buy Destiny DLC" video the guy posted his sources in the description. Did you even atleast watch the full 35 mins of the video? If not, then this post is completely pointless. Ive never seen "placeholder" content that had so much of it finished. Just because some of the "placeholder" content doesn't have enemies or mobs it does not give Bungie any excuse as to why it is locked content in the game. If this "placeholder" content is not finished, then this definately proves that the game was rushed because we better got any content in the full-game we were given. It is very obvious that this locked content was initially suppose to be in the full-game for us. If it was add-on content then it would not have been announced before the game comming out. And you could tell that they were initially going to give us this locked content in the full game because of all of the trailers that showed content that we don't see in the "full game" we were given. This is where these "theories" come in. We can only assume that Bungie / Activision got very greedy and decided to release the game earlier with the content they already had, and locked some of it in order to charge us more along the way. You cannot be this in denial to not agree with some of this. It's idiots like you that make these gaming companies think that they could do whatever they want because idiots are gonna buy there shit anyway. I am personaly not going to buy this DLC. The game we were given is not the game that was advertised. You could sit there and beleive with all of your heart that Bungie / Activision really gives a damn about you. But in reality, people like you are only gonna make gaming companies sell us a portion of the game and sell the rest of the game as DLC, You know why? because you are gonna defend them to the core no matter what because your in denial.

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      • Well said, it's not like games companies deliberately gimp their own game up! They need to make a profit, and to do that is to make good games that sell! Granted , their marketing dept handles all that, but what they need is continued sales supplemented by dlc's. Destiny has the potential to be a great game , even to the scale of WoW abd they didn't exactly start off with everything. I think the gaming audience has changed dramatically, with the prevalent use of the internet, more gamers now have a place to voice their opinions (good or bad) about games, especially online loot based games like Destiny. Had WoW been released now would their community be like this? Most definitely in my opinion.

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      • "Me thinks thou doth protest too much". Messiah my ass.

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      • TL;DR - Bullshit, bullshit, yada yada, bullshit, give Bungie money, bullshit, bullshit.

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        • I didn't read it. Blame it on my ADD baybeh!! . . . . . . . . . SAIL!!

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        • Edited by DemonCatursday: 10/23/2014 9:48:51 PM
          My i.q just commited sudoku as a result of reading this

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          • Bui he sold me when they said there will be two more raids one in each dlc

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          • "So by any far now" I couldn't read past this.

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            • I lost intrest when you said dont believe the evil rumours that bungie has lied to you but beleive the rumour that the leak dlc info is true!, do me a favour go to the back of your destiny case and read the info 'rich cinematic storytelling set in huge worlds to explore. Create and customise your gaurdian', that right there is false advertising

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            • Edited by Ac1dflare: 10/23/2014 11:14:35 PM
              I like alot of players I think will wait until reviews of dlcs are out. I think those obsessed with how perfect the dlcs will make the game are slightly deluded. Everyone knows the game is not as advertised prior to launch ( trailers contain things that are not in the game) and so as such I have no faith in future dlc. I do want destiny to suceed but I will not just hand my money over blindly.

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            • Sooo.... why are we wrong for being angry about Destiny's lack of story? I'm sorry but there is no excuse for this. Putting out a vague, convoluted story isn't excused by an equally vague and convoluted insinuation that there will be "more to come." In the form of paid DLC.

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            • Don't buy dlc just like cod or bf people play old map I already got the 2 free dlc so aaaa

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            • Wait, so why should we buy the DLC? All you've done is state a response to BDobbin's video. You make some very valid points about DLC content and I'm inclined to believe your take on it over Dobbin's opinion, but that still doesn't change the fact that Destiny was a disappointment to the majority of players. That said though, there is no reason anyone should boycott Destiny DLC. Boycotts do not work in a corporate controlled environment. "Oh you stopped purchasing Destiny DLC?" says Activision, "I guess we'll just cancel Destiny's ten year plan alltogether then release another Call of Duty to recoup our losses." Personally I believe that whining, moaning, and complaining is far more effective than boycotts because it actually gets stuff done. I will cite a video for this because I could never explain why as concisely as videos I've seen on youtube. The point is though, as annoying as whining and moaning and complaining is, I appreciate it because it works. But remember, next time you see a post that is mainly whining and moaning, try to be respectful when replying to it. This community is toxic enough as it is. There is strong language in the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn-fxiCIX6w

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              • Literally tags the developers and DeeJ so that they might notice him.

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                • I'M THROWING THE BULLSHIT FLAG!

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                • *disc

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                • I really don't give a -blam!- about the "theories" about the dlc. It looks fun and you can get awesome looking armor, plus more missions strikes and raids so I'm buying it anyway

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                  • Because... REASONS!

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