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Edited by Phantom139: 10/24/2014 6:47:51 PM
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Why you SHOULD consider buying the Destiny DLC.

So by now, most of you have seen some people come onto these forums and make fools of themselves with these wild theories and post their silly "messiah's" video as their only proof to these theories, and I've honestly been having a cakewalk of laughter here in terms of this, and then they attacked me with words, so now it's time to take the gloves off here and punish them with the truth. They cite a video of why you shouldn't buy the DLC, so it's only fitting that you read my post on why you should buy the DLC packs. So let's get to it. First off, that introduction you read there will be the only bashing I do in this post, I'm done with long rant filled posts that usually catch the attention of some people as pure negativity. This post will have absolutely none of that, I'm only going to present the facts, and discuss them and I'll let common sense take over from there. Personally, I would have done better with my own counter-video, but to be honest, most of you I believe are tired of seeing go to 'x' Youtube page, watch, like & subscribe, so no, I don't want you to do that, just give this a good read. :) So most of you have at least seen a few of my posts or have read them, and some of you may not know everything about me. I run my own independent game development company. I have numerous years of programming experience, as well as experience in design and implementation from some small projects I have worked on or with, so you can trust me when I say that I know how games "work" internally. So, let's start with breaking down the most "shot at" point, which is Destiny's currently lacking story. Some of you know, and others don't know, that the lead writer of the story for Destiny left Bungie shortly after the first E3 trip that Bungie took, where they revealed a video of gameplay and talked about some mechanics in the game. Why he left is unknown to us, but what we do know is that during that time, and the time of the alpha/beta, the story as well as numerous game mechanics were changed. This is something that happens all too much in video games, let's not all forget the days of Halo 2 where we had a trailer of an awesome mission, and that wasn't in the final game. Content and mechanics get cut due to all sorts of reasons. Mechanics such as Trading, Gambling, and others were cut from the final product. The reasons, can only be told to you by Bungie, so I cannot provide it to you, just know that they may have been present before, but are gone now. As for the "amount" of story content in the game, this is where some frustration comes into play by people, but you need to also realize that Bungie had to change the story in about a Year's time, so they may have been running out of said time to get everything they wanted done, this is also something that can happen when you have big name titles, so the developer will polish up as much as they can to release to you. This is where the DLC packs enter the picture. How this works is when a game is nearing completion, the team behind the design will start working on the DLC packs for the game, this is how it always works, and sometimes this content may be put on the game's disk as a placeholder or a template to upcoming content (See DestinyTracker for info), in fact, many of you have already found some of this placeholder content, but if you've actually looked carefully, you'll notice it's not done yet. I think the best example I can provide is the upcoming "awesome" new gun Necrochasm, which is a reward for completing Crota's End on Hard. Have a look [url=http://db.destinytracker.com/inventory/item/2809229973]at this beauty[/url], but if you look closely, you'll see the noted [b]Cursebringer[/b] perk has a template icon in it's place, and there is no 3D model present for this gun. This tells us that the concept design and base stats were placed in the game prior to it going gold, but the actual implementation isn't actually done yet, IE: It's being worked on, sound familiar? [quote]People are working on this content right now at Bungie. It's not finished.[/quote] Also, if you personally haven't actually explored some of these areas that have been found, please do so, and tell me what you actually find in there. You'll find a lot of glitches, non-working elements, and even placeholder or template art which is obviously not finalized, so again, as DeeJ best said, the content is being worked on. So all of these threads and hate messages about "Disk Locked Content" are not valid my friends, all MMO style games use the tactic of prior implementation to cut on the design work of the developers, IE: They're making it easier to deliver the content to you, sooner. This isn't to scare you, or some corporate bullcrap, these "pre-designed" areas are in place to get the content to you much quicker. WoW uses this tactic for every expansion they make, and that game is still going strong, and the people don't complain about those areas. So, why are you community, doing the same to Bungie, when they're using this tactic to [b]HELP YOU[/b], the player? It just doesn't make sense to me. The last thing I'd like to address here is something very cool, the fact that those are "placeholders" in the DB of the game files tells me that there's definitely a lot of cool new stuff actually coming to the game. I believe fully, that the "leak" or "rumor" of the third subclass and the content of Crota's End from the anonymous tester is 100% true, in fact, if Bungie was dispatching their Ninja's to "delete it or face a ban", then it kind of points to the fact that it's probably true. So people please, chill out. This is a MMO-Style game that is very early in it's life. We need to be helping Bungie give us the experience we want to enjoy here. They don't want to read hundreds of rant posts and hate all day, they want honest feedback to help bring the experience to you. Bungie employees are also Guardians, they want to have the exciting journey that you're taking part in. Don't take in these hate filled videos with silly theories as truth. Unless the information is directly confirmed as truth by means of Bungie telling us that it is, or by means of us actually seeing it for ourselves, it is nothing more than a personal opinion, which is not true information, which is why we finally reach the end of my discussion, and why I think you'd be missing out on an awesome experience to let one 30 minute video ruin what would be a wonderful expansion to your game. Game on Guardians, and I'll see you in Crota's End in December! [b]Edit: My note on the upcoming content part has been clarified ash55, the post/thread was deleted due to it breaking the rules of the forum, genuine leak or not[/b] [b]Edit 2:[/b] [b]Too Long Didn't Read[/b] People who are posting videos on youtube attacking your decision to buy the DLC are not legitimate because there is no solid proof to what they are providing you with, IE: they're lying to you, or pushing an agenda of their own. You should at least consider buying the DLC's due to the cool stuff we've already seen some templates for in the game's database, and finally, the DLC isn't done yet, it's being worked on right now, so these threads and theories suggesting otherwise are wrong. [b]To All:[/b] I do appreciate the select individuals who have provided constructive comments, however the most of you are obviously too hooked on negativity to resort to attacks on me and anyone who disagrees with you, which is honestly an attack on your own credibility. Your "Self-Entitlement" behavior will not be tolerated any more in this thread, if you have nothing constructive to provide, don't bother posting as you will simply be ignored. Opinions the other way will be completely ignored without a solid piece of evidence to back up your claim (Posting a youtube video will not be treated as such). Finally, in no way or form am I required to post a video to make my own point, if you're too lazy to read or at least form a reasonable opinion based on facts, then don't bother posting either. Finally, to anyone who thinks attacking my credibility is a good idea, I guarantee you that it will only hurt you when I press that shiny report button for misinformation, I have provided my credentials many times before, so I don't need to do so again.

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  • i know i won't be buying dlc....paying them any extra money is just telling them and future companies that this sort of behavior is ok. They need to learn from this or we run the risk of every game in the future using this as their model for games they make. Make 100% finished games you can be proud of even if no dlc content was EVER released. That's how the industry should work. period. -§mort§-

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    • Edited by wigriffin: 10/26/2014 4:06:42 AM
      QQ... Wait... This isn't a crybaby post!!??!? Good post TC, I agree wholeheartedly.

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    • I'm soooooo excited about the DLC and now I'm even more excited!

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    • What inde games have you made?

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    • Theres no reason NOt to buy the dl'cs you know that crota guy you've been hearing about? hes in the level 28 or 30 raid. 2 new raids 4 new strikes and a ton of new loot +xotic boots

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      • Good read. Ty for the input.

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      • That's a long-winded posts to say very little. Why should we consider buying the dlc? Because bungie is an amazing developer and the framework for Destiny is nearly perfect. The likelyhood is that the game will get better and end up a fantastic franchise. However, that means little in the mean time. And Destiny's initial problems warrant customer caution.

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        • All. Valid points. Will consider.

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        • Nope.

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        • Thankyou for reminding me that I still have to buy the season pass, mate :D

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        • Legit good read and perspective

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        • Edited by Scorpion XV: 10/25/2014 7:04:56 PM
          I have been reserving my judgement on Destiny until I see what the deal DLCs are about. I will tell you the reasons why I'm not exactly excited about Bungie using DLC to put in the story that isn't there. First, it has been ultra disappointing to go out pre-order a new game that looks like it will be unbelievably good, just to be hand a half done product. For me extra money doesn't come easy, so I get really excited when I can finally get the game I want. I haven't been able to pull out money for new games that often, the last time I did I pre-ordered Battlefield 4 and was handed a buggy mess. Which didn't make me mad just sad, really really sad. Second, money is really tight right now. I can't go out like some other fortunate members of the community and buy DLC when I please. So I see it like a slap in the face when the product I bought has the shortest and bare minimum story, then like a bunch of criminals the developers swoop in and try to rob me of more money. Just so they could appease their bottom line, I find the way the went about this extremely shady and money grubbing. If Bungie had told me what they were planning I would have saved my money and bought Farcry 4 until Bungie got their act together. I would have still bought Destiny but further down the line. Destiny is fun but the way its developers went about this venture was wrong. I know things happened during development, they should have pushed for more time or had the wisdom to secure more time then they needed. The above is my opinion.

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        • Edited by Malhavoc XIII: 10/25/2014 7:00:54 PM
          Finally! Some common sense and a well worded statement as to the processes involved in developing an MMO! Thank You Phantom13927! And yes, I am already in for the DLC!

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        • I'm buying the dlc because I'm craving for more strikes & raid missions. That and because this game is enjoyable to me :)

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        • Great read, shame so many cry babies play this game. COD story is roughly 7 to 10 hours long? Ok maybe the story is better than destiny but after that all you got is multi player. Same maps over and over. Same play style over and over. I will be buying the dlc because I love this game. Destiny is doing it's best to make this game better but with so much shit feedback this community is making it hatd for them. Btw last mmo game I played was ffxiv. I feel that bungie are doing things the correct way to have us playing the strikes missions currently available for years to come by making the enemies stronger unlike ffxiv which adds new dungeons with better loot and then everyone plays the same 3 instead of weaker dungeons which give nothing.

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          • Edited by IR0N RI0T: 10/25/2014 6:40:29 PM
            Thank you Phantom for your positive view on DLC. I have heard many bad rummers and depressing ideas of how this game is going no where. In all reality I never heard so many scandals and comments from a game until now. This tells me that there is some thing truly good and promising to look forward to. Personally this has ben the best game of my life. Always supported and a big fan of Bungie. Halo games connected with me and now Destiny has opened up my eyes to a wonderful experience. Keep it up Bungie I know you are doing your best unlike some I have patience and time :-)

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          • This reminds me of the people that defended aliens colonial marines......... :/

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          • Bump

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          • All it takes is a little common sense and critical thinking ability to see we got scammed. If you lack both, that's your problem. Please stop wasting everyone's time trying to convince them/yourself that you didn't get ripped off.

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            • I'm with you. I've watched the videos, and there is no way this "disk locked content" is anywhere near completion. It's an assortment of polygons and low-res textures with incomplete lighting, let alone the absents of enemies, patrol nodes, and story elements. At best these are markers and basic lay lines to save time on development and download.

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              • Game sucks ass not enough initial content to justify anything Dungie related.

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              • I see no reasons as to WHY i should buy the DLC. I choose to do so it will be because of my enjoyment of the game. I do not listen to forum or youtube # counters looking for a view. But i will say that DLC SHOULD be all new and not content that is already on the disc. new missions, area's on any of the known planets and raids all should be free. DLC should consist of new planets, enemies and factions at the least. If bungie expects to get 10 years like i have heard out of this game, then a lot of it should be at no charge.

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              • well lets just say that it is unfinished, devoting any time to dlc before launch is just very bad tactics, all focus should be on the game that will be released, lets face it, its not even nearly what they told us it would be out here, this is how we talk

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                • thank you. When people say the new areas are all ready to go, I want to laugh. If you have ever glitched out of the map, you would know that these locked areas still need work. They are just base map design. Kings Watch may have enemies and ghosts available but the map itself is broken still. Walls arent solid, etc.

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                • So you say the people on youtube with preety good proof are lieing when you have nothing to prove they didnt cut it and sell as dlc Hypocrite.

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                  • Funny how you would trust anything bungie says after experiencing the iron banner. Strike1. Not like what we saw previously for game. Strike 2. Locks disc content to sell like half the game as dlc to maximize profit . Strike 3. Says iron banner about gear but later releases caps so everyone still equal. You can trust everything they say but eventually you will understand

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