[quote]ESO is waaaayyyyy more grindy and i mean that as in Destiny its random loot, in ESO you will -blam!-ing have to mine minerals for -blam!-ing days to pump out shit armor you dont want or need just to increase your smith skill a bit (as an example), all that and its $15 a month, tick tock tick tock,[/quote] I really dont get this. Iv been playing destiny for months and have ywt made it to max level (i dont gwt to play more than a few hours a day). It feels like the most grindy game i have ever played. "Lets do the same 5 missions over and over again, just to get a handfull of engrams that may or may not turn into legenday items, and if that item is legendary chances are i dont want it." Theres no story to the game so its just a giant grind fest. At least when im working in the crafting station i feel lime im accomplishing something, not just random engram drops. Plus i can actually craft whatwver i want, i dont have to wait for it or buy it And btw, no more sub fee for eso. Its buy to play. just to get this off my chest, every single complaint i have herd about ESO totally contradicts what people say they want in video games. Elder scrolls online has more customization, skills, quests, weapons, etc than any other game out right now. Nobody makes sense anymore!