Bungie,
I am becoming exasperated with you. I had been looking forward to Destiny since it was unveiled. It was the amalgam of social FPS and persistent world that I was looking for. Okay so that's not was delivered. Nothing apart from your personal stats and inventory persists. The game mechanics are solid and my friends and I had been having fun so I decided to stick with it & give you the benefit of the doubt because of your history of producing games that I have thoroughly enjoyed.
You have asked for feedback and [b][u][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Clan/Post/289707/72793837/0/0]I have been providing it constantly[/url][/b][/u] in an effort to try to help improve what feels like a 75% complete game at drop. Your players have dealt with two DDoS attacks along with other ongoing network/server issues. There have been PSN/XBL service issues that are not your fault & I understand that. What I cannot understand is how you are simply ignoring your players.
Last week you nerf'd ARs, shotguns, the Vex Mytho & some other weapons in the name of balance, PvP balance. Your players provided you constructive criticism for a week outlining that there needs to be a wall between the PvE and PvP weapon and armor values tables. Agree or disagree I have not seen anywhere where you even acknowledge the suggestion. The weekly update contained a vague & ambiguous statement about balance. However the sentiment of your quest for balance is faulty [u][b][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/74011798]which I tried to illustrate to you yesterday.[/url] [/b][/u] I am not arrogant enough to think I deserve an individual response to all of my criticism but when so many people agree on certain points Bungie should feel an obligation to respond to the community at large. We are largely against the changes being made to the 3rd phase of the Atheon fight, especially considering that[u][b] [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/74011798]this "bugfix" has been prioritized over fixing actual issues with the raid[/url][/b] [/u] like the gates & how the shield sometimes just doesn't work.
We've all provided you feedback on [b][u][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/73315432]how to improve the PvE[/url][/u][/b] and [b][u][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/73324418] PvP experiences[/url][/b][/u]. We'd like to see inventory management improved. We'd like to see loadouts due to the Exotic Weapon restrictions. We'd like to see a way to apply ammo synthesis quickly without having to go two levels into a menu. Many people would like to see an opt in proximity chat, better matchmaking for PvE events and overall improved social features. If you are considering these options, great. You have to tell us. We know that "prox comms are coming". That's about it.
There are buckets of other criticisms involving the lack of depth in the story, the failure to hook players into the world & the lack of delivery on promises concerning our ability to customize our Guardian to be uniquely ours. People are not happy about having to go to a website to dig into the lore. The grind of the game through 5 strikes & the same repetitive bounties is wearing on many. There are also more concerning accusations regarding what future DLC content was withheld behind a paywall (if any was). True or not those accusations are dividing your community badly.
I have done what I can by providing the feedback you've requested. [b][u][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Clan/Post/289707/72793837/0/0] I've even indexed my feedback for you[/url][/b][/u]. What stings is that Bungie does not appear to be hearing its players. We get one blog post a week where your Community Liason Deej plays funny. This comes off condescending to many of us due to the pile of issues we would like to see responses from Bungie on. Please, respond to some of our ideas. Positive or negative... respond. Respond with more than "keep on giving that feedback" when people ask for raid matchmaking.
You are, as of today, one week away from seeing many of your Crucible players find the airlock when CoD drops. Right now I cannot blame anyone who shelves or sells this game because of the failure to deliver on the advertised promises let alone the inability of Bungie/Deej to provide meaningful responses to valid criticisms and suggestions for improvement of our game.
I am personally sticking with you just a little while longer but while I was initially an ardent supporter of Bungie, Destiny, & your DLC pay model I am now on the fence. [u][b][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/74028519]What comes with The Dark Below[/url] [/b][/u] will be my progress check with you. If you have not heard us by then and provided us with clear path and timeline for when some of these needed improvements will come, I will sadly move on. I know I am not alone.
Please start respecting the voice of your players. We understand you had a vision but sometimes you have to put the hubris aside and realize that the vision has to change. Many of us are tired of posting to a wall that no one with the power to make changes seems to be reading.
Respectfully
//Ozman51
(anyone who agrees please bump this post in addition to a Like to keep it on the top of the forums for others to read, thanks)
[b]Edit: 10/21/14 12:10p ET[/b] - I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for their support and to those of you who have offered comments for largely keeping the tone civil and for generating good side discussions. Keep on bumping, liking and commenting. I have been trying to reply to as many people as I can. I truly do appreciate your input and criticism.
[b] Edit 2: 10/22/14 11:25am ET[/b] - DeeJ posted in the main Destiny forum yesterday directly "On Community Feedback". I believe this post from him was motivated by negative reaction to his coverage of a 3rd party website in lieu of addressing real issues but some had suggested that he was talking about this post as well and as such I felt inclined to [b][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/74433726/0/0/1]write a reply[/url][/b] to him.
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Bump!
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A well deserved bump!
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Completely agree with everything you've just said!
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Well said, sir. Always good to see some constructive criticism instead of pure bitching. Some people should learn from you.
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I completely agree
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I think it's great that you not only pointed out issues but proposed fixes. Great post!
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It's a crying shame that we get essentially zero feedback to our feedback. It's also true that what responses we do get in the weekly updates feel pretty condescending. We get acknowledgement on a few points and given a vague description of what they plan to do and almost never any time frame of when to expect the changes. What ever happened to the Thorn and Bad Juju buffs? We were told those were coming back at like week 2 and haven't heard jack all since, but Suros Regime and Mythoclast get nerfed in one week? It's a shame when Bungie claims to so heavily desire feedback but refuses to interact with the community on their own feedback forums. I honestly laughed when one of the updates said that comments on the forums from Bungie reps would have a special indicator as I had never seen a single Bungie post and still haven't since. Let us know what of our ideas are viable or not. Acknowledge what you think are good ideas to put in the game and make a list showing what pending changes can be expected and what priority they have that people can easily check on. The game is supposed to be fluid and ever changing and getting new content, let us know what to expect and when!
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Hand CLAP SIR!!! I don't believe Bungie reads these message boards, if they did they would adjust accordingly. But they've made millions off of us and we continue to play their game. I would purpose a gamer strike but they've already made their money so not playing the game would have little to no affect on them.
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Bump... Agreed.
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You aren't the only one who has posted numerous constructive suggestions without any response at all. I posted a bunch of them in this thread: http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/71453919/0/0 and another in this one: http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/73501821/0/0 It just feels like pissing in the wind to keep posting ideas here. If no one is listening, what's the point?
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They actually have addressed one of the important issues mentioned here. In the incoming weeks update notes they said they were changing the damage number on mytho to increase PvE damage while keeping the impact nerf for pvp. They explain that pvp scales weapon damage, and PvE uses the number on the weapon essentially as a multiplier for damage on foes.
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Bump, couldn't have said it better myself ;) I think I've had enough now thou and may trade it in, I've already spent the credit of the dlc on another game because I just don't think i got my money's worth with original game never mind what's coming in dlc
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The way Bungie is presenting themselves since launch of Destiny - be it technically or in regard of customer relations - shows a profound lack of professionalism and skill. Who'd have associated that with the name "Bungie".
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Perfect summary. This forum is useless if no one ever answers. The game has been out for over a month, it's no longer the time for teasers and evasive answers. But dont' forget : connections problems are their first priority. We must wait until this problems are FINALLY resolved to get answers... And content ...And... and... Okay, we're screwed.
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This is what happens to Any studio when Greedvision......I mean Activision steps in.
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I do my bounties every day then stop to go play minecraft or watch netflix. When dlc comes i will do that. But right now there really is no reason to play it. Nothing new other than pvp anyway.
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Very well written very much agree I will be fair to bungie on ONE point in terms of forum feedback Many of it is very whiny and there is usually a huge flood of posts
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Couldn't say better! Bump.
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Well written, although I'm under the impression they won't answer.. They seem to not really care unfortunately..