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10/15/2014 3:22:01 PM
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I don't think it needs a buff. I'm quite happy with it as is now.
1. Chain of Woe and Hand Cannon gauntlets make reloading a breeze
2. DoT stacks would be on the OP side.
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Edited by innoBius: 10/15/2014 3:41:45 PMCan't count buffs that are outside the gun. Saying you MUST USE gauntlets to make the gun effective is admitting that its shitty. Go get the Devil You Know from the vanguard. It does what thorn does much much better. More impact better reload speed and 12 rounds to boot. Thorn's DoT can't come close to making up that difference. And thats a legendary HC WHICH MEANS YOU GET TO EQUIP AN EXOTIC SPECIAL OR HEAVY. Want to compare Thorn to another Exotic HC? Last Word, full auto, improved hipfire accuracy, [i]and[/i]more precision damage from the hip. Also larger magazine more impact and better reload speed. There are [i][b]rare[/b][/i] HC's that can match Thorn's DPS.
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Haha that's funny I have both and I would choose thorn over devil in pvp any day...the DoT is what makes this gun I can 3 shot ppl body shots and watch the DoT tick them to death quite funny actually 3 shots and switch to the next target
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Edited by Cyanide: 10/15/2014 3:42:04 PMI have TDYK. I still prefer Thorn. It suits my setup. Not accounting for armor buffs is stupid as they are ever present. Still doesn't need a buff in my opinion. All I need to kill someone is 1-2 bullets. Overall cylinder size is irrelevant to me considering even when using TDYK I reload after 2 bullets.
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You PvP. PvE Thorn is useless. PvP you can roll face with the first AR you get at lvl 1 if you are good enough.
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Edited by Cyanide: 10/15/2014 3:57:36 PMPvE It's a great weapon. I can shoot supplicants and let DoT bring them down to the point where my teammates can one shot them, thorn does enough damage where I can one them with a precise. On enemies with shields thorn does great a job preventing the shields from regenerating, especially with eliminate the target public events. I can one shot enemies without shields. You just don't know how to use thorn.
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TDYK one shots most everything fully upgraded. On public events my knife applies a DoT too. So does my nade. The DoT is nice but it does not make thorn worthy of an exotic.
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Flaming throwing knife isn't worth it Tripmine grenade is the best Thorn is worthy of the Exotic name. You just don't see its full potential.
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Not compared to Last Word or Suros or Plan C etc.
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Those are more carbon copy's of the standard ones except TLW. TLW is only good for CQC I could beat any TLW at range with thorn same thing with Suros or plan c
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You won't EVER match the DPS potential of TLW Suros or Plan C in a raid or strike with Thorn. Not possible. The reload speed gimps it the DoT not reapplying gimps it. The lack of a proper Exotic perk set up gimps it. As I said before there are [i]rare[/i] HC's that can out DPS Thorn. Thorn is among the lowest impact of any HC. The ones that have lower are blues with larger magazines. It is among the slowest weapons in the game to reload. Even [i]with[/i] the armor buff. Which raid gear doesn't have. It has 2 more rounds than the smallest magazine available. It can either have one of the best ranges (but its impact is still gonna be bad) or the one of the best stabilities (but its RoF is too low to make this a big enough positive). So what? You rock face with it. I do too, but we do it [i][b]in spite[/b][/i] of its short comings. I have other load outs that out perform my Thorn load out. But I like the aesthetics of Thorn. I am not saying that it should be the almighty HC and reign supreme over all other primaries. It should have [i]some[/i] drawbacks. Doubling its reload speed would still leave it painfully slow, just not suicidally so. Increasing its impact would put it on par with the rest of the HC. 8 round mag would give it slightly better staying power, but nerf the last shot bonus in the process. Making MotD innate and giving it increased damage to targets affected by MotD would make it the rival to TLW that it is supposed to be. I like the gun, I like shooting it. I nearly exclusively use it. [i]Despite[/i] the fact that it is underwhelming for an Exotic.
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Edited by Cyanide: 10/15/2014 5:49:18 PMYou still don't know how to use it. It's not just about DPS. Please dismantle it as your slandering of it negates your right to use it.
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Uhhhh. Ok, you are stupid. Killing bosses [i][b]is[/b][/i] about DPS. Killing adds is DPS. DPS is pretty much the unit of comparison for weapons. What good is 1 shotting 6 enemies when someone can down 8-12 adds in the same amount of time.
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You'll never have to down 8-12 enemies at any given time in any scenario with a fire team so what good is a big mag? And DPS is also not that big when your surrounded by a fireteam? It's not like you're soloing nightfall or the raid. At least with thorn there never goes a second where I'm not doing damage to enemy thanks to DoT.
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Never need to down more than 8-12? You have done the venus strike right? 16 adds spawn at a time. Or the Moon strike? 20-30 adds at a time. Thats 10 per teammate if they were all 1 shot adds no problem but knights take 2 shots minimum. Chest head recoil for the HS. Or the heroic. Minimum of 15 shots with primary to kill a shielded enemy. Yes I use a fusion to drop shields then switch for murder. So no extra rounds in the mag are needed. Especially with the abysmal reload speed. I understand your fanboyism. Thorn can be forced to work in any situation. But [i][b]most[/b][/i] other weapons bring more to the table. I make Thorn work too, but I am willing to recognize that it falls short of its exotic status. Same with bad juju. At best both of these guns are unique legendaries.
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Do you not know what a fireteam is?
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Uhh. Do you not understand that 30/3 = 10?
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You can do math cool. But it seems like you don't know how to work in a team.
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No thats you. If you like Thorn use it but don't pretend that it doesn't put more work onto you fireteam. I kill more than my fireteam 90% of the time, but Thorn only pulls half that weight. I spend glimmer on ammo packs so I can hammer shit with special and HW's. If I switch Thorn out for my pulse rifle or scout rifle that i rarely have to use my special or heavy. Everyone on a GOOD fire team should pretty much have equal kills.
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Or you have an effective strategy. It doesn't take 3 people to kill a bunch of mobs in a strike
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ROFL. I am add duty. 2 killing boss me killing adds. Thats efficiency. But Thorn can't do it alone.
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You're using it wrong that's why.
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Rofl. 70-90% precision kills (Kills by dot tick don't count) chains of woe. Still doesn't take care of shielded enemies. Yeah I'm doing it wrong. Obviously. Taking the bulk of the add burden alone, clearly I suck at this game. Surely 95% of the community [i]and the developer of the game[/i] don't know anything about how to use Thorn. It underperforms for an exotic. It underperforms for a legendary. It'd make a damn good blue. This conversation is way off track. The topic is Thorn underperforms compared to other weapon of it's rarity (Exotic), and type (HC). Considering the minority you are in, considering the quality of players who call it an underperformer, and judging by your game stats, I'd say your reality is skewed. Thorn is [i][b]not[/b][/i] working as intended. This isnt from me this from the people who know what they [i]intended[/i] when they made the gun. Disagree if you like but reality is objective.
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It's working just fine. If they wanna give it a buff I'll just be even more deadly with it. The devs only fix what people complain about. So the whiners like that you don't know now to use it will benefit but the truly skilled will be gods with it. Then it'll get nerfed and and cycle begins
