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Edited by killakidz7:
4/7/2015 4:45:37 PM
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Petition: PvE & PvP changes should be separate - Was patch effect on PvE good? - Devs Please Read!
----Please be sure to read the description of this thread BEFORE casting your vote. It might clear up some of your questions (if you have any)----
[b]Please continue to vote on this.[/b] This needs to stay relevant so Bungie is always aware of what the PvE community wants! As more patches/events are released, I shall release a thread pretaining to each. Saying what I agree with, what I don't & what I think should be changed. These threads will probably be polls (similar to this one).
Special thanks to TalonsEdge (and all the others), cheers bro. We've made a difference!
http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/73593613/0/0
Meaning that the changes in PvP won't affect PvE and vise versa.
Please comment your opinion!
As per TalonsEdge (Thanks again! [Added line for clarity])
"[Voting #2 means that] This current patch should be reconsidered and redone with consideration to making many if not most of the changes affect PVP only and not change them in PVE". Not only that but what is actually stated in #2.
Please keep in mind this is not only about this hot-fix but about ALL later ones as well!
As this has gotten so huge (the percentiles won't change too much at this point), I request that you comment your choice in addition to selecting an option. 1 = yes, 2 = no, 3 = community poll. Just so its easier to see what the community wants. Cheers all!
My buddy TalonsEdge just made a post with a detailed list of possible improvments to Destiny. PLEASE take a look guys!
http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/72944584/0/0
What will take to receive an offical reply from Bungie on this subject? This thread alone has over 750 comments and over 3000 votes. What more can they ask for? Honestly, the community has spoken. Here. On this thread. Your move, Bungie. If you don't act, you risk losing a large percentile of your fan base. You risk losing those that planned to play your game for years. Sorry to say this however the PvP side is just along until the next Battlefield or CoD comes around. Then what? You'll be left with (majorly) a pissed PvE community primarily because you didn't listen to us. Apparently to Bungie (this is evident because of the most recent patch/hot-fix), the PvP community has a larger say in what happens in Destiny. We (the PvE community) should be treated fairly and have equal say in Destiny.
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Without you all, this never would've happened. We talked. Commented. Voted. And... Bungie listened. The community spoke & Bungie answered.
Fellow Guardians, hope is not lost.
Destiny is not lost.
It is, quite simply, what we make of it.
We can mold it; make it our own (within reason).
This opens up a plethora of possibilities.
Thank you to the countless that participated. However, a few of you deserve special reconigition. TalonsEdge and NEWBIE. Without them, this wouldn't have been possible.
The countless PMs between Talons & I debating what our next move should be. Bouncing ideas, not-so-patiently awaiting a reply from someone from Bungie, awaiting feedback, changed what we thought needed to be changed, the list is honestly endless. He's had as much involment in this threads development as I did.
Thank you!
Lastly, I want to give thanks to the people over at Bungie. Thank you for listening to us. Whoever was responsible for getting this noticed, I invite you to come forward & receive the praise you rightfully deserve.
I have not lost faith. Neither should you.
-killakidz7
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3 RepliesBungie can you please leave the weapons ALONE in pve, the changes you have made to stats on guns should of only been for pvp, thats the only place people had a problem, why have you done this to half of the gamers that didn't go in pvp. PLEASE hot fix the hot fix so only pvp has the nerfs
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16 Repliesplease do this, my fun endgame experience shouldnt be impacted by the mewling cries of the crucible casuals
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1 ReplyEdited by Baby Jesus I Am: 10/14/2014 3:14:03 PMNo. PVP and PVE should be treated as two separate entities. What's the point in gaining better gear if the level differences don't even matter in PVP. And if they don't matter than what's the point in nerfing something for PVP where the only real change is going to be noticed in PVE. If this is how PVP is going to be than they should revamp it to match a call of duty type leveling system. Separate the two b.c You're killing PVE. I don't play PVP bc I think it's ludicrous that a level 6 can out melee my level 27 even though I strike first. Or that a common shotgun can out preform my legendary fusion rifle from across a room. I tend to stay away from PVP for these reasons but now the bs is leaking into the PVE world and it's going to ruin the game.
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3 RepliesMaybe we should put a whiney tone. Since they seam to only listen to the cry babies
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Bump!
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9 RepliesSeparate changes but I bet a lot of mythoclast pve players picked option two because of the mythoclast. Just a wild guess.
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Edited by DemonlordShadow: 10/14/2014 2:16:49 PMHey isn't it funny how people bitched about this weapon when they got killed by it and the people who earned it (and I say earned cause of how much time they put in to getting it) thought it was the greatest cause a headshot was a one hit kill? Newsflash every damn sniper rifle and shotgun is a one hit kill if used properly. I hate getting killed by a shotgun more than getting killed by this gun because a shotgun does not take any talent whatsoever to use . After being in a match with someone who had this gun at first I was a little mad that I got killed so much but afterwards after I read what the gun did and what it was all I saw was a goal I wanted that gun and now it's being nerfed WTF what's the point in getting the damn gun now? No point in doing the raid now. I really wanted this gun now I don't see the point its just like every other weapon except with the yellow label.
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My choice is 2 obviously.
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seconded for separate changes.
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I couldn't agree more with this post.
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Couldn't agree more with this movement. Stats are already "normalized" in crucible and IB (to some extent, see Bungie's explanation). Couple that with the fact that the enemy leveling system in PVE already penalizes under leveled players, so why do the weapons need to be made to do less damage (looking at AR "balance"). Could you at least throw the ARs a bone by increasing the clip size (PVE). Thanks.
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Changes should definitely be separated.
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If anything they should buff all of the weapons for PvE. This damage scaling bullshit is weak. Destiny - "Become marginally more powerful"
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Balancing for PVP will only stifle creative weapons like the Mytho and Pocket Trinity from being developed for PVE. Part of the allure of getting ultimate weapons in RPGs is to kill shit quickly. This whole no fun allowed at Bungie has been around since Halo 3.
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Only thing I'm kinda miffed about is the vex mytho getting a nerf. I haven't gotten the drop yet but I was looking forward to possibly getting it. once you get the best weapon in the game, than what?? You want to feel like a badass after you've put so much time Into getting. it's not like there are any other things to use it on. you already beat the hardest thing in the game to get it. I personally think since all the PvPers were the ones complaining about it, the vex mythos should have just been banned for PvP and not nerfed. People were complaining about auto rifles needing a nerf since the beta and the fact that they ignored it pissed me off when the game released. So I'm glad they finally addressed that. Everything else I can get behind.
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7 RepliesI think the problem going forward in this game's future is that while Bungie is listening and that's great, an incredibly vocal minority with a megaphone that's composed of crucible players complaining about balance issues when this wasn't sold as a mainly PvP game is what tends to have the top of the forums at this point. Because that's all Bungie can hear they listen to that, and I think that limits their ability to be creative or go a bit wild to spice the game up because they'll always have to worry about making it so other players can easily kill someone using any given weapon or setup, making it easier for the A.I. to do the same. Bump.
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https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/72764327 already did that poll a few days back
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2. I wholeheartedly agree that buffs/nerfs should be kept separate
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1 ReplyThey should of made it a separate thing, but I do think the scout rifle buff was also needed on PvE since it was shit to begin with. And we all know they can do it since we see different damages base on mission levels and and how our attacks on bosses are lower. So just do the changes as soon as we enter a crucible match. Simple.
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Do this or lose your pve fanbase Bungie you damn morons
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I'll being going with two myself, as an avid MMO player it seems like the best choice.
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I was saying this before the fix, leave PVE alone, it works fine as is and merging PVE with multiplayer was a fkn disaster. LEAVE PVE THE FK ALONE YOU CHIMPS
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1 Reply2 for sure
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3 RepliesI agree with these tweaks for pvp. Some of these guns were op. As far as pve goes...you have broken it. You already placed a damage cap on pve, why nerf my auto rifle to the point that i cant even hit the damage cap? Why is it a tough fight for me to go 1v1 with a lvl 28 minotaur that isnt a major? All the time i put into to leveling my gun, collecting materials and ascendant shards, for a rare scout rifle to be better than my exotic auto rifle?
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2. Did this option even occur to the dev team or did they just decide it wasn't expedient enough to be a hotfix. I'm sure there's a line of two they could as of code to tag it as only PvP
