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Edited by devilarmor 1991:
10/2/2014 4:32:10 AM
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I have to agree with him, he may be touching on a point most people are sensitive about but he's right. Half the people on this forum are complaining about a half finished game, and they haven't even finished the story line yet. Their bitching that they want more but they refuse to treat the game as anything more then a grinder. I for one am happy with the game, the story line was excellent, and no it's not finished your right it's a half finished story line, but not for the reason your all complaining about. The stories not done because there is more story to be told. The games not finished, because it's planed to be a very long running game. The loot system is not broken it's just fine the way it is, you guys just want the best equipment right off the bat and are unwilling to work for it. If the loot system ran any faster, everyone would be maxed out on the first day. I paid 60 dollars for this game, and I'm happy with. You wanna know why, because I've paid 60 dollars for less. There are many games i've played that have half the content of this game and they still cost 60 dollars. And as for the salad comment made by one of you, I would be happy with a salad, if it was better then the steak. People don't seem to realize that their views are not necessarily the views of others, you may hate it but I love it. And you can't Change my mind because you compare it to another game. This is destiny, not boarderlands, or diablo. And nothing you bitch about in this forum is going to change that.
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Sorry, but everyone who is complaining does have a point. The story isn't a "To Be Continued...", it's chopped up and broken. I've lost count the amount of times I've heard "I could tell you, but I won't". Not to mention when you meet the Stranger and she says "You've heard about The Black Garden, right?".... No :S - yet she goes on like it's all my character ever talks about. The story is poor. The loot system is nothing more than luck based and that isn't necessarily a bad thing, but don't go saying people are being bitchy and you worked for your items when it was just pure luck. Also, I've payed between $20 and $30 (new) for WAY more than Destiny in terms of gaming. How you paid 60 for less is beyond me. This isn't a hate post. It's just getting you to understand our point.
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And on a side note to my long winded post, I'm sorry that the level of storytelling was not long enough for you, but I didn't buy destiny to listen to a large amount of very long winded cut scenes. If I wanted that I could play final fantasy. Most people don't seem to realize that the story is not what happen in the past, it's what's happening right now. You are the guardian it's your story.
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Yeah ok... But 6 hours of story missions which are the same repetitive grid over and over again, with nothing to do past level 20 save for the vault of glass which requires you to grind and grind and grind some more =/= a good story for my guardian. Oh hey my guardian kills and that's about it. My guardian must have Stockholm syndrome because he keeps doing the same mindless task each and every time.
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I find it very interesting that you found time to interject your opinions into a conversation that was over.
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Edited by Psyntifik: 10/2/2014 7:35:31 PMAnd nothing has happened to me. They advertised an exciting story, and I didn't get one. My character ended up on the moon and I can't even remember why. That isn't a good sign. You may be happy with a simple plot with no depth, but I'm not. Without a story, every kill you get and piece of gear you collect has no meaning.
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Edited by devilarmor 1991: 10/2/2014 6:33:15 PMIt may be chopped and broken, but that is the point, imagine it's four or five hundred years into The future, humanity is dead and all we have are legends and tales, it's not ment to give you all of the info because the info is not there. Sure the stranger might now about the black garden, but she doesn't know what's inside, it's just a story, and as the story get told many things will most likely be revealed, you just have to be patient. And no the loot system is not random, it's an algorithm, every time you kill an enemy, beat a mission/strike, or play the crucible a number of factors are calculated, and then based on the calculation you get an item or items. And yes I have played games as well with more content for 20-30 dollars, but those games do not use contain the level of graphics/world base/multiplayer/gameplay that destiny offers. And yes 60 for less then destiny occurs once a year at least for millions of people, it's called call of duty. I don't believe a game is simply story, or gameplay, it is a conjunction of all of its parts that make a game good, and when people like you run around complaining about individual parts of the game, it annoys the shit out of me cause trying to make the game something is not. If I wanted to play boarderlands I would, I own it. If I had wanted diablo I would have bought it. But no I wanted destiny, not because it's like those other game, but because it's not. And yet I did work for my gear, I played strikes to get marks then used marks to get thing I wasn't finding in world, and I have more exotic guns then I care to count, not because of the gun bounties but because I busted my ass to get legendary engams, and the cryptarch gave me exotics. So no I don't see fault in the loot system, I just use it properly.
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Edited by Ub3r G0d: 10/3/2014 2:05:58 AMDid you even pay attention to bungie's vidocs or teasers or advertising? They show a hell of a lot of content that we don't even have
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Edited by Psyntifik: 10/2/2014 7:36:58 PMThe loot system is entirely luck based. And so was the Engram decoding up until the patch. I have 3 legendary guns from drops, not once did I think I worked hard for them. I just did something, and they appeared. I'm not wasting energy arguing that with you. Why can't I hear these legends and stories? Everybody knows about them but my character. When it got inside the Black Garden and my ghost says "Do you think you can kill a god?", my response was "What!? I'm fighting a god now!? Since when!?". You're trying really hard to defend something that isn't there. Paraphrasing- "Sepiks Prime cast a great shadow over us[...]" Never heard of him. I want more of the story to come, just as much as the next person, but you can't expand on something that doesn't exist. And a final point, CoD delivers what people expect every year. Destiny doesn't. I'm not expecting TDM to be dropped from CoD without a mention.
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Your point is mute, the story is backed up by the grimoir cards, if you read those you would get more of a background, and please don't give me that crap about having to go somewhere else for the story, if you cared you would do it, I did, and I know more of the story because of it. And your lack of thought of work for you items, is not the games problem it's yours. And if you don't like the game why are you posting to a forum about it, why are you arguing with someone who does like it, why are you wasting your time.
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Grimoire cards are lore, not story, there is a very tangible difference. The lore is the backstory to the events of destiny, the story is what actually happens in the events of destiny, therefore one would expect some mention of sepiks prime before being told to kill something we've never heard of
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Edited by Psyntifik: 10/2/2014 7:57:04 PMThis isn't a waste of my time. I'm free to give my feedback to a product I paid for. The game doesn't make me feel like I earned those exotics. So I dont. (same goes for all gear that dropped by pure chance) The grimoire cards are a lazy attempt at some minor lore. None of which tells me why my character is dead. Lore is NOT story. Any game developer/reviewer could tell you that. There's lore in the Witcher but that game is jam packed with story.
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That game is also single player, with story design as a point. And you have already stated this was a waste of your time, I simply asked why. And what exactly would make you feel like you earned your stuff. A harder boss, a better(as u perceive it) story line, Some giant ass celebration about the fact that you got the item, more items faster, bigger loot chests. What is it that makes the loot system so bad for you.
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[quote]What is it that makes the loot system so bad for you.[/quote] Seeing as we're quoting. I only just noticed you quoted me. I edited an earlier post to address it.
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World of Warcraft is a multi-player game with a better story. Borderlands is a multi-player game with a better story. Never once did I say this was a waste of my time. Stop making things up. And I also never said the loot system is bad. I said it isn't necessarily bad, but stop pretending you work for your items when it's all chance. You're fabricating things.
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Edited by devilarmor 1991: 10/2/2014 8:39:10 PMWoW is almost entirely internet and subscription based and is 4 times the size it was when it first came out. Boarderlands has a fantastic story but I beat it in one day. And subsequent updates to the game only added more side stories, instead of adding to the story that was already there. The loot system in boarderlands is so broken it's not even funny, the massive amount of loot you get from just about every kill not only overloads you inventory, it provides more money than you even know what to do with. And that was something I didn't like, I didn't like feeling like I had to much. And yes you did say you were wasting your time [quote]I'm not wasting energy arguing that with you.[/quote] An argument that about something you like is not a waist of time. And you should take you own advice, I never said the loot system was bad nor did I say you said it was bad, I simply asked why your thoughts on the loot system felt like you feel you don't get what you want out of it.
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Edited by Psyntifik: 10/2/2014 9:16:13 PMWhen WoW first came out it was 10 times the size of Destiny. And Borderlands has one story line that you completed in a day, but at least there was an interesting storyline there. And I would happily take Borderlands loot system over Destiny's one. Minus player trading . I also have more Glimmer on this game than I know what to do with because all I spend it on are ammo packs which I have plenty of. And I said I'm not wasting energy trying to prove to you the loot system is random. You made out like I'm wasting my time replying to you altogether, which I'm not.
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Edited by devilarmor 1991: 10/2/2014 8:52:33 PMSo you've got good items, you've got plenty of money, and plenty of ammo, I'm sorry I don't see your complaints. And once again internet and subscription based, it's pretty easy to make a big game, when you sure you going to make billions off of it. And no I'm sorry a one day story line is not better then a mysterious story line. Boarderlands loot system is broken, the over production of loot is ridiculous, when I played boarderlands there was no challenge, I never had a moment when I said oh my guns might not be strong enough for this mission. I never had a moment when I said, I wonder if I'll get anything good from this boss. You working off the assumption that a boss has loot on him, but what if he didn't what if a boss was just a big asshole with a gun, no inventory just some guy being a dick, that's what this game offers the possibility that someone might not have anything on him. You call it random, I call it excitement.
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I'm not saying Borderlands loot was great, I said it was preferable. I don't mind getting nothing from a boss, but I want a boss to have a defined chance (however small) to drop something I need. Don't make out like Destiny didn't have the same, if not greater funding that WoW before its release. Destiny, also like WoW, made a lot of money when it was released.
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But it's not a subscription, day one of WoW it was the game cost plus subscription, which amounted to about 70 dollars out of pocket. Destiny was 60 with no subscription, bungie is hoping that this game takes off, and I believe it will. And there is a defined chance to get loot, as I stated before there is an algorithm to each and every loot drop. Just because it seems random doesn't mean it is, as a famous mathematician once said, "even in randomness there is a pattern". Since the game uses an algorithm, it is truly impossible for the drops to be random.
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How the hell did you agree to pay $70 for the base game of WoW? You're either lying, or got insanely ripped off. I also remember of getting your first month free, then you started paying. If Destiny started charging me monthly subscription on the 9th of this month, I would cancel immediately. And the loot system is RNG. You're only kidding yourself to believe otherwise.
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You clearly missed the part where I said day one. Now you get the first month free and they don't charge you for the game but on day one it was just like any other mmorpg, it cost money. Now it's a 15 dollar subscription and your all good. Plus I never said I bought the game. The cost of it and the subscription was what turned me off. And what does RNG mean(are you trying to make yourself sound like a real gamer)
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Edited by Psyntifik: 10/2/2014 9:25:23 PMRandom Number Generator. We were always talking about day one release in terms of WoW. When did that change? Whether you bought it or not is besides the point. You made out the base game costs $70 plus subscription - that simply wasn't true.
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When calculating the cost I used the yearly subscription price that was available when it first came out, sorry I don't mention that. And a random number generator is not random. It uses an algorithm to generate that random number. And a computer generated algorithm cannot be random, it's simply not possible, so no matter what you think the drops are not random.
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So $70 for a game and a year subscription, or $70 sub + $25 game? Either way, that's a bargain! Lol you're really scratching at reasons to make out this loot system not seem random. Just because a computer rolled the dice, doesn't remove the fact the system is random. I'm clearly done here - I'm off to play Watch_Dogs. Goodnight.
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Unfortunately the scratching is being done by you, you have no knowledge of simple mathematical algorithms, you also apparently have no real knowledge of computers or game coding. Your one of those people who plays the game and expects it to simply work for them. A rather large group of people put a very large amount of time and effort into creating a game that you then feel you have a right to bitch about cause it's not exactly the way you want it. You are specifically the person the original post was designed for. So go play watch dog as, at least there you can have your story and you solo gameplay all you want.
