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10/1/2014 6:27:21 PM
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Lol you must not know how to play the classes correctly. Hunter isn't OP at all. I've killed plenty of Arc Blades before, and have been killed just as many times while in it too. Golden Gun actually has about 30% less dmg reduction as Arc Blade, so it's a little easier to kill Gunslingers when they are in their super (I've been sniped when in mine and dropped with a one-hit-quit). Funny thing is, Hunters are one of the worst off classes. Their Arc Blade is a super which has the most body-dropping potential (up to 10 kills with Mask of the Third Man, and even more if using Razor's Edge on large groups of bunched-up enemies). What they have in the area of arsenal, they lack in the area of stats. Warlocks are the only class where you can nearly max out both Recovery and Toughness. And with Sunsinger Radiance and Radiant Skin, Warlocks can, essentially, become godlike for 10 seconds. My wife plays a tank Warlock. It's nearly impossible for her to die when she activates Radiance, because of her massive damage reduction and Scorch/Flame Shield refreshing every 4 seconds. She took 2 Golden Gun shots in Crucible and only lost her shield and half her health. Soooo yeah Sunsinger is pretty badass ;) Titans have some of the worst Recovery in the game, so health regen is a little harder for them, and, oftentimes, you might have to clench your bum a little while waiting for your shields and health to go back up. Besides that, though, Titans are very adaptible, with either Striker or Defender, and have a multitude of methods which to counteract their long recovery times, and still do damage at the same time. Hunters are able to have either above-average toughness, or above average-recovery, but not both. The best they have is agility, but all that gives you is more mobility. It does nothing to mitigate damage, or to help you recover (Except for making that quick getaway to a place only Hunters and their jumping glory can reach). Each class is played differently. The Hunter is meant for quick hit-and-run strikes.
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  • Also you can't max recovery and toughness it's one or the other.

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  • You're a 28 Sunsinger and you don't even know these things? Come on, you're making Warlocks look bad...

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  • Edited by Mr Kurbb Stompp: 10/2/2014 4:41:35 PM
    you cannot. https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10626614_10204887817704647_8357326419391743697_n.jpg?oh=a210ea70f3cfe1c6b77963901298237e&oe=54CD1FB8&__gda__=1422986252_3d978623bd3b899f1fcf65cbdca6d26c

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  • 1) The three abilities I was talking about were Arcane Spirit, Divine Order, and Radiant Skin. All three are in their own subcategories, so yes, they can be equipped at the same time. With all three together, a Sunsinger basically enters God Mode with Radiance. The damage reduction is impressive. 2) I said that Warlock's can NEARLY max both Toughness and Recovery. Your picture is exactly what I mean. 75% toughness and 75% recovery is NEARLY maxed. Not completely, but that doesnt matter. Both of those stats at 75% like that means that you have significant damage reduction, without sacrificing the fast health recovery of a warlock. Honestly, agility is not important when it comes to combat. I'd rather be harder to kill than harder to catch. 3) Contrary to popular belief, you can have another subskill selected for Radiance, other than Fireborn. Why make dying a part of your plan, when you can just prevent your death in the first place? The amount of damage that a Radiant Skin Warlock can mitigate, paired with Flame Shield Scorch, and the insane self-cooldown reduction of Radiance, means that a skilled Sunsinger can never die while in Radiance, unless they are hit with Nova Bomb or Hulk Smash. Just keep using Scorch whenever it pops up. Flame Shield absorbs a stupid amount of damage. It's amazing.

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  • Edited by Evilman520: 10/2/2014 4:56:38 PM
    Do you know what the term NEARLY means? The Warlock is the only class that can have both toughness and recovery NEARLY maxed. That right there, in your picture, is what im talking about. You just helped prove my point. No other class can have both of those two stats that high at the same time. The third ability I was talking about was Radiant Skin.

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  • took that with my cell phone about 5 minutes ago to prove to you.

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  • Seriously, you just went 0-3 all because you chose not to read carefully. Who's the one looking dumb now?

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  • I said nearly max it.

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  • You can't have all 3 of those perks on the sun singer at once they are all in the same spot on the ability chart l. Hah well played we don't become godlike at all.

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  • Edited by Evilman520: 10/2/2014 3:13:27 PM
    Ummm yeah you can. One is a Radiance upgrade which reduces damage taken, one is an Order, the other is an Arcane.

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  • I must not know how to play my class correctly? I've NEVER died while using arc blade. NEVER. And you just said you have. Please think before you try to insult me. Its so ridiculously overpowered. And i have a maxed out sunsinger with the same things set as your wife. 2 golden gun shots and survived? Bullshit.

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  • Could you please explain to me how you can use arc blade when you have not unlocked it?

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  • The Golden Gun thing happened to her because the idiot tried to snipe her across First Light with it. Remenber, even GG has range and damage falloff (I dont know why but this guy clearly didnt have Over the Horizon for crucible). Under normal circumstances, randiant sunsingers with Radiant Skin can survive one shot. He decided to snipe with it, so he only did about half the normal damage. Personally, i think you're bullshitting about never ever dting in arc blade. You just wanna spund badass. If you're gonna complain about a class, make sure you understand how that class is supposed to work first. Fact is, this is how a hunter is supposed to be: high mobility, quick strikes, and the unique ability of having a mobile super. It's really too easy to kill an Arc Blade. Know the weaknesses of it.

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  • You can't have self res and radiant skin at the same time. Your making yourself look dumb.

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  • Now YOU'RE making yourself look like an idiot. Not once in that post did I say anything about her using self-resurrection. You just assumed that because that's what you like to run with.

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  • What the hell made you think she had self-res? She hates that skill. She prefers Radiant Skin instead, because dying shouldn't have to be part of your plan.

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  • And the across the map makes more sense than for taking the two shots from GG

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  • I haven't even played on my other account where my hunter is in a week or two, been focusing on my warlock. Maybe i was just lucky? Idk. Just speaking from my experience

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  • Benefit of the doubt then. Not gonna fight you about that. If it's true its true. If its not, its not. Point is, the hunter only seems OP because they have the unique perk of having a mobile super. When you think about it, hunters have the least amount of damage reduction while using supers. Titans are quite hard to kill while using either super. I survived a 4 on 1 with my defender titan, and ive watched more sunsingers than just my wife survive pretty incredible odds. A rocket, shotgun, three melee hits, a golden gun, 3 auto rifles, theyre pretty friggin resilient when they go Human Torch. Even Nova Bomb and Hulk Smash have pretty strong damage reduction for that split second. On the other side of the argument, I've seen hunters die in super from a single fusion rifle, ice seen some survive a rocket. It goes both ways. Idk maybe the damage reduction for them is buggy and fluctuates. Sometimes they go beast, sometimes they drop like a bitch. But they are meant to have something that the other classes don't have: extreme mobility.

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  • A week ago is when the game was new. Good players have developed tactics to counter arc blade now. Try blade dancer again against premades of level 28's. I guarantee you will die during ur super. Most likely you'll get evaporated by a titan super when rushing in

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  • Or a shotgun

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  • Did you really just say hunter isn't broken in PvP?

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  • They all are, because they are all hunters, sad really.

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  • Ummm yeah pretty much. They aren't broken, they just have a different playstyle. You have to keep in mind that each class specializes in certain fields more, and have their own unique perks. Honestly, my hunter gets his ass kicked by Titans mostly, but that's just how it is. Their toughness and one-hit-quit shoulder charge are frigging painful...

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  • Theyre PRETTY OP lol

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