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My theory so far... Learn to read. Ladies, gentleman, boys and girls of all ages. Please just take a step back and get ready for a long winded ride down the story Bungie hid in plain sight to us all. At 3:30am last night my team mate and I had an epiphany while listening to Xur. And this needs to be spread to all the Internet to hear. (Please note I will be editing this post a ton this combines almost all the important grimoire and weapon items and is 90% based on accuracy of things in game) (Skip past 3rd paragraph if you just want to know the story) From the very beginning take a deep breath here we go. In the Souls game you are a chosen undead selected to end the time loop that has been going on and on into infinity. If you aren't familiar with Dark Souls I urge you to read up on it right here pause and go... Right most of you didn't so I'll explain. Basically every player is "chosen" to fulfill this prophesy of ushering in the age of darkness and yet the only way to accomplish it is by going about the game in a bizarrely weird pattern because you have been DECEIVED (note this is very important) but one day one undead goes against the prophesy, alternate ending ensues. So anyways Bungie has pulled from Dark Souls in many ways not just in the form of hidden story telling (it took players over a year to get this) but also in the actual plot line itself. The people with the Vex theory were partly correct. Here we go, cut scene one. A mysterious ghosts wakes you up and tells you that you've been dead a very long time, you are going to see many things you don't understand. Oh how appropriate this was, what the ghost should have said is you will understand nothing. Cutscenes 2 a stranger is watching as you escape on your ship, she goes on to monitor you and make sure you arrive on the moon to go down and battle the hive discovering the Shrine of Oryx (GRIMOIRE INSERT). If you didn't catch it the Exo stranger sent that ghost specially to you. Moving right along we are whisked off to Venus to interpret what is going on here and dig up an old extremely important archive known as the Ishtar collective. (GRIMOIRE INSERT) now please know the Ishtar collective were warlocks before the collapse that discovered that we had already been defeated by the Vex. At this point things are going to be very complicated to explain. The awoken queen (GRIMOIRE), the vanguard, and the speaker all know the truth behind the game. And here it is. You are trapped inside a transdimensional simulation (GRIMOIRE). The real earth was right there in front of us all along. Hovering above the speaker. The Exo stranger must be an extension of the traveler that is acting in the world (EXO STRANGER GRIMOIRE). However the traveler itself is indeed the AI warmind Rasputin. Humanity no longer exists. Period. Mankind has been obliterated. Xur is from the "outer world" which he quotes so much. One of his most important lines is "where I come from there are no birds only shadows". And "your traveler has a dark shadow". This probably would be another war mind who doesn't like its creators. (Speculation what really is the darkness) The reason in the world of Destiny mankind designed the warminds AND the Exo (EXO GRIMOIRE) must be that we attempted to save ourselves. From what you may ask? The answer is ourselves and it is found in the (GOLDEN AGE GRIMOIRE) in this simplistic conversation so much is revealed. Now Bungie pulled a page from the bible here and Revelations about "A great time before the end of the world where people knew many things but in the end the only answer was God" (paraphrase). Somehow we destroyed ourselves and brought about the darkness. This is where things become EVEN MORE complicated if you are following still. So one can hypothesize in the Destiny time line of things we had to have been extinct a VERY long time 1 million years+. This actually explains why the worlds are so empty because the war mind was built post collapse which would lead to it not knowing what life was like during the "golden age" of technology. So we've been extinct for a million years and the super computer warminds we built are all lonely. Well one decides he wants to know what his creators were like after all you've had an infinite amount of time to think. (TRAVELER GRIMOIRE) Fast forward when something has had an infinite amount of time to think it discovers many things. I believe the war mind Rasputin decided to "travel" in the vessel of the traveler. Now this is where your head explodes. Backwards in time to save humanity.. But there is a catch, he is a warmind and with him COMES WAR. Causing the whole cycle to repeat again. Golden age, humanity collapses, darkness ensues. Warmind "travels" again. Somehow we have been stuck in an infinitum loop. There is a catch though. He thinks he has answer this time (GRIMOIRE). The Ghosts. Because Rasputin does not understand the nature of his creators he decides he must break himself apart and resurrect them with the power he learned about in.. Wait for it THE BLACK GARDEN (GRIMOIRE MYSTERY) For whatever reason God pities this warmind and decided to give him the answers he seeks on how to save humanity using the power of the light. But where there is light there is darkness. Another religious theme of we are God and God is us. Now underlining all of this is the fact that inside the tower you can go and look at our solar system. 6 times around the speaker. With the SEVENTH (Bungie number) being our real earth, constantly being scanned and explored to understand how we could save it. I believe the Exo must be the only things left in our original realm and are quite possibly monitoring all of this as we are at war with the Vex time loop (conspiracy) the leader of the darkness (unknown as of now probably another warmind). The leader of the light (The Traveler). And then one more, as the speaker puts it, "not dark not light but something else". There will be no other answer but God. Tldr and summary: Destiny is a transdimensional simulation. You the guardians have to be an end to the loop. Leaders of the tower know the truth that humanity is extinct. The traveler is actually a Warmind we built who thought for so long he learned the secrets to the universe. Went back in time trying to save us and know it's creator and origins. Mankind triggered the darkness during the golden age. Rasputin deeply regrets this. The other 8 war-minds are either against humanity or inactive. Edit- This is the sad truth people. Bungie has tried a type of story telling that doesn't work for a community of shoot Em up FPS players. If you don't want to read your grimoire, weapons, and armor then you will always feel Destiny's story is empty which it is not. Help spread the world. Light be with you all
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  • Sounds like a framework world-setup more than a story to me. But hopefully the stories are yet to come! 😎

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  • a true dark souls player but it doesnt seem like bungie wanted the story to be told in this way beforehand, or at least not to this degree

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  • Well done.

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  • thats a good take on it enough to fill one game, while the next game could show what struggles we have to go through to end the loop followed by one more to show if we can or if the whole cycle starts over again. but alas it does not and only leaves questions and no real answers.

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  • Did he just say story?? Hah

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  • That is a lot of work and interesting. The problem is not the story but the story telling. The story telling is abysmal. If you have to put in that much effort to get the depth of the story than you have failed as a story teller. Frankly I enjoy your post more than the game. If they can bring this around and make it digestible it could really change people's perspective on the game. That is what irritates me the most - its not well told and the tale is lost. Its not that the potential is not there - it surely is. I think the main problem is the loss of the lead writer and possible issues with Activision control of release of content and the desire for profit over quality. Any way, thanks for your post and I really hope you are right. Because with the addition of a good lead writer who can pick up where Joe left off this could eventually turn into exactly what they said it would be.

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  • I'm almost certain the exo that follows you does not cloak but instead falls into the steam of time like time travelers wife. "I don't have time to explain why Idon't have time to explain". She is there to make sure you are on schedule whenever she pops out in whatever time she's in. She has to communicate with you before her place in time destabilizes. [spoiler]the weapon she gives you says it's made from parts that wait for it: SHOULDN'T EXIST YET. It should really just say. She is a time traveler[/spoiler]

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  • couldn't she of just gotten it or the parts from the time traveling Vex

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  • It's possible

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  • My Brain hurts...

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  • Not only does Xur have lines... sit and listen to the speaker. That dude sounds straight evil with motives not of good nature. He talks about what I assume is that guardian who follows you. Which leads me to think she's some outcast and is trying to help you behind the lines. He however always quotes being stronger and talks as if shit's gonna go down and he's a sleeper agent is the drift I'm getting.

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  • Didn't read, but considering the lack of story, that the lead writer who planned most of it left, and they hired someone to make the grimoire in february...less than a year before launch. Just proves that you should not even consider defending the story of this game...They gutted what it should have been, and basically went "well...we should release this in a years time, let's do what we can and release." that "what we can" was putting what story they could into grimoire and shit... Not saying your theory is wrong, just that they should have either postponed destiny or stopped claiming it had rich and cinematic storytelling...because it doesn't. But good theory none the less.

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  • many things we dont know happend at bungie and activision, the post is worth reading too

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  • Edited by eeTee33: 9/29/2014 1:30:29 PM
    i jump in my space ship and travel beyond the stars, then a time loop occurs. how will that impact on me???

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  • I like the other theory more. The one with the Traveler and us actually beeing the Darkness and stuff. You can find it on Kotaku.

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  • I've seen that one. Yes it's good, but it doesn't piece itself together for me

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  • that was told to be the base of the story existing than, was probably not finished yet and with the grimoire or left writer works filled in because it couldnt make the game, sorry for my english

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  • There have been a lot of games doing the loop system story, dark souls, demon souls, dragons dogma<(this one hits the loop system right on the head and its realllyyyy good) so this theory is probably right. "If only the 9 would help" the speaker.

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  • You got it :p

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  • Im skeptical of course but it makes logical sense.

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  • My mind just exploded......

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  • Stop spamming your damn theory everywhere Jesus Christ.

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  • But it's probably right.

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  • It's purely speculation and theory crafting. It's probably wrong. Everything he uses as evidence can be taken 1,000,000,000 different ways. Someone else could paint a completely different picture with the same evidence. This story is extremely vague and the "grimoires" create way more questions than they answer. Not to mention they're a terrible way to tell a story regardless of whether or not they tell you an actual story (which they don't).

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  • Edited by NukaOdst: 9/28/2014 11:48:47 PM
    "GIVE ME STORY NOW! WAA WAAA WAAAAA! I HAVE NO IDEA HOW STORY TELLING WORKS AND I WANT MY STORY SPOON-FED TO ME HERE COMES THE CHOO CHOO TRAIN NYOOOOOM"

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