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Edited by pyro:
10/2/2014 1:44:39 PM
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Forcing PvE players into the Crucible
I love this game and have been playing it a lot... However, I recently picked up an exotic bounty for Toland's Legacy. After researching the requirements, I found out that I have to go into the crucible. WHY? I am not a PvP player. I would prefer to stay as far away from the PvP as possible.
Why are you forcing us to go into the Crucible? It is not just this exotic bounty that is requiring me to go into the curcible. If I want gear from FWC, New Monarchy or Dead Orbit - I have to.
I remember there was an article where it was said Halo was PvP and you couldn't do both PvE and PvP support. Now you can, so why are you forcing us into the crucible?
The crucible part of the bounty gives you +25 for a Hunter or Titan kill and +75 for warlocks - however you are docked -50 if you die. I will never be good enough to get this bounty done. Eventually I will have to abandon this bounty. (EDIT: There are reports that the "death penalty" is no longer active, so it is just a kill grind - if that is true. I will update the thread when I actually try it for myself - Thanks subaqueousReach for the research).
Bungie you have a wonderful game - JUST STOP forcing folks to go into the crucible.
EDIT: Why so many attacking comments, when the PvE only players want to stay in PvE. It makes no sense to me that you want us in the PvP to bring down the team with our skills. All we are asking for is more options? I just can't understand why more options is being rejected.
Update:
I have both the Bad Juju and Thorn bounties so I started them both in the crucible at the same time. I have played 10 games of crucible and currently have a KDR of 0.91 and I am slowly getting both of these bounties done. I can confirm that the 10000 points for the bad juju does NOT contain any death penalties. So this one is simply a grind getting kills anyway you can. The Thorn 500 points in VOID kills does have dealth penalties and my KDR is not helping me get this one done very quickly.
After 10 games, I will report that I still do NOT like the PvP. I will continue to struggle through it to get these bounties done. I still wish there were options of not doing the PvP.
End update.
Update 2:
I have played 14 games in the PVP and completed the Bad Juju bounty. I am still working on another bounty to get 500 points in kills using only void weapons (5 points per kill and -2 for each death). As of the 14 games I am at 361 out of 500. I have stopped playing PvP until I can get better VOID based weapons.
I am still not a fan of PvP and have no desire to play it in the future after these bounties are done.
For those saying "I'm a PvP player, stop making me go into PvE", this is exactly why I am asking for options. You could easily require 25 wins in crucible matches instead of 25 strikes. Bungie has options to create bounties that are only for PvE or PvP - they don't have to mix the elements.
End Update 2.
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If you dont want to play pvp, then dont. You dont need that exotic weapon. If you want it, then earn it and quit whining. Otherwise, hold square and move on
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8 RepliesThing that's kind of annoying is that there are two sides to this and, in their own way, they are both right. Argument: Players who aren't good at the Crucible find it unfair they have to play PvP when they aren't skilled in it. Counter: Exotics need to be earned so playing something you may not be good at would be where the challenge lies thus when the weapon is obtained its that much more special. Argument: PvP isn't that hard you just need to work at it and eventually you'll get it. Counter: Some players simply don't have the skill/tempermant for PvP. Players may not have th reaction time or control to be able to successfully kill enough players to balance out their deaths. Solutions: 1. Label the bounty. By this the bounty will (somewhere) give a warning that its either PvP-PvE, PvP only or PvE only objectives are required to complete it. That way people know to avoid it if they don't wish to play it. 2. Have options or either. By this it means you have 2 different options. Example: To get Super Good Advice (Heavy Machine Gun) you had to grind out 500 points from PvE kills, what made it difficult was the lack of Heavy Ammo. Say you didn't like it then you have the option of grinding out those 500 points from PvP instead.
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Vote here regarding exotic weapon bounties: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/70824470/0/0
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To be honest, I'm a gamer who is not that great at playing shooters. However I loved the whole theme of Destiny and I just went for it. And am not doing to bad at all. I focus mostly on PVE, and I can see your point about not wanting to be forced into pvp. The way I see it. You are not forced. You can always not do that specific quest. I had the exact same bounty and I was a bit scared for the whole pvp thing, but it aint that hard to get at all. Yes you have to spend some time in there but it's very doable. Even for someone who is pretty much a n00b at playing shooters, I managed to get it pretty fast. The 25 strikes where much harder.
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I personally hate PvP on Destiny it took about 15 games on PvP for me to get the 10000 points needed for bad juju. I should a just got the Suros gun. Wait gotta play more PvP to get more coins now oh damb no reward at the end.
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Edited by Fuelled Oats: 9/29/2014 9:43:59 AMNobody is forcing you to play the game, if you don't enjoy the way it was intended, don't play it. You're not the centre of the universe. (Can't help but laugh at your childish whims) Do you hear me complaining about having to play PVE when it's dull and boring. What we should be complaining about is making PVP more entertaining. So you can find a niche in the playlist. Halo's multiplayer catered for both types of players with it's fun game types, but then they also had more serious hoppers to jump into. We know Bungie can do it so why haven't they? It's ridiculous that the game shipped with four playlists. Amateur hour in the Bungie camp.
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I'm going to keep saying this. You're not necessarily forced to so the crucible. You can simply abandon the exotic bounty & obtain an exotic from Xür with the corresponding motes or strange coins. Yeh with the bounty you don't have to use the currency, but it's going to be hard. It's an EXOTIC bounty for an EXOTIC weapon, Bungie is not going to gift wrap the thing for you! You must earn it by proving your worth! Either get grinding in PvE or start collecting your motes & strange coins
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Go vote in the poll: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/70824470/0/0
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Had a similar bounty I didn't know what would be needed either and abandoned it. I had to build a 25/0 k/d ratio over time which will never happen for me either. These sneaky shady elitist bounties need to stop. I know my limits and I'm not suddenly going to become a twitchy child prodigy at PVP wins!
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11 RepliesI couldn't agree more. Why should we be forced to play PvP.
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I'm all for PvP when players enjoy it but for PvE players (such as myself) who dislike it shouldn't have to do it for exotic bounties, shaders, ect.
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There should be PVP exotic weapon bounties and then there should be PVE exotic weapon bounties. I never want to do another Exotic weapon bounty ever. I did it once and it was quite enough.
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First off i hate PvP and i am not good at it in anyway, but if Bungie whants ti put it in the exotic bounties at least put another option for those who don't like to play PvP. I think that would be fair to all.
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Bungie, Pyro has it right. I would imagine that at least half of the Destiny players do not want anything to do with the PvP side of Desting. Please make more missions for your dedicated PvE Players.
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11 RepliesI got the same bounty and I dropped it this afternoon after doing a couple of Crucible matches. I think, after two weeks of game time, I might have played Crucible like, 12 times. And I despise it. I'm sure it's a very nice PvP mode and all, but I hate PvP with a passion. And ALL exptic bounties (with the possible exception of the LMG one) require PvP. In fact, any future exotic bounties I receive will probably be dropped as soon as I collect them if things remain as they currently are. PvP players don't want to be forced into PvE. PvE players don't want to be forced into PvP. If you can't put two separate paths to gaining the exotic bounties, one for PvP and one for PvE, then you should remove the exotic bounties altogether. You may think that you are enticing people to expand their experience, but what you're really doing is just pissing a lot of people off. Apologies for my use of language.
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2 RepliesAgreed that FWC, New Monarchy and Dead Orbit should accept both crucible and vanguard marks.
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the pvp is horrible plain and simple
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When I was given the opportunity to pick 1 of 3 exotic bounties, I looked them up online and picked the one that did not require PvP. I think I picked well since I have heard good things about the Pocket Infinity. I, personally, do not like playing FPS PvP on my consoles anymore. And yes, it is mostly because I suck. I simply do not have the subtle touch needed on the controller anymore. Just ain't my cup of tea. I play this game for the PvE.
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I'm good at both PvP and PvE and I support this. It isn't a matter "bungie wanting for you to experience the whole game" it's "bungie forcing you to play its whole game" some people just don't want to do PvP, me included. I have done exotic bounties but I hate the PvP grind. It wasn't fun and if I could've done it differently I would've. Don't go all "just suck it up" cause that could be used to everyone who wants/doesn't want to use the loot cave and hates the other side. Just let it go and stop insulting everyone.
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This is the only flaw I found with the game.. I should be able to use my vangaurd marks to buy from all vendors.. I play both.. but prefer PvE..
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Same problem with "Thorn". I will never understand why I have to go to The Crucible when I'm the worst player of my team for sure. I'm not the PvP kind of guy. I know the PvP part of destiny is really good, but it's just not the kind of thing that I want to do with the few moments I have to play the game. I know it's not the only way to get an exotic weapon, but you start the bounty with joy, thinking "I'm gonna get a decent weapon!" and suddenly you find yourself with a silly face reading that you actually have to kill other players in PvP, and not only that, with a special type of damage. Guess what, no decent drops for a void damage weapon in the past 2 days for my primary weapon. So, can we have an alternative here? Make me kill thousands of Majors or Ultras, that's fine. Make me complete a mission a hundres times, I don't care. But please, don't make me go to the crucible.
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I also HATE that we are forced into the Crucible. I also posted feedback of this issue. Annoying.
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I think it's crap, the crucible is crap, I've played a LOT of competitive multi player games. The crucible is so unbalanced. I logged 10 hours to give it a chance, and to no avail inconsistent. Why would someone want to endure that frustration for a chance at gear that may be for a different class. So why entice a pve player into hating a part of a great game. I'm with you on this.
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I agree. It wouldn't be difficult to have each faction accept both vanguard marks or crucible marks. Yes it is more content but the simple fact is I personally don't enjoy PvP. It's just a matter of taste.
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2 RepliesThe worst part about it is that when we're forced into PvP it's with some weird requirement that make things ten times worse. I would endure the premades and all the other BS IF I was allowed to use the weapons of my choosing in every game. That's not the case though, it has to be with a freaking scout rifle of other useless weapon.
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3 RepliesI am not a fan of PvP in Destiny either but I did this bounty and it did not take very long to complete that part of it. Grinding through 25 strikes was far more time consuming and excruciating. Just be prepared for everyone and their brother to be using a shotgun, fusion rifle, auto rifle, or a mix of the 3.
