Think of the crucible like a guardian's true test. Screw killing aliens, don't you want to take down the most dangerous foes out there? Another thinking mind like yours. It's all about tactics, tactics require strategy. It is frustrating at first but you have to give it a legitimate shot, yes you will die a lot and it will take you a while to get your own tactics down, but once you start getting above 1.0 KDR it is easily the most fun you will have anywhere in the game. Things that really help improve your survival are: - Use cover! - Stick with teammates, yes some of these teammates may make mistakes, but your survival rate greatly improves if you stick together. - Understand what you're enemy is trying to do! If you see someone running towards you, most likely he is going to try to shotgun and/or melee you, if an enemy guardian jumps in the air he is trying to confuse you, etc, etc. Understanding what the enemy is trying to do helps you plan a counter tactic or attack. - Don't just spray and pray, take well aimed shots. - Understand your weapons recoil, this is super important! Example, if you use a pulse rifle it will almost always recoil up, meaning if you aim for the chest or neck you will get a couple of headshots in. - You don't need high level weapons for crucible. I run around with a level 12 Shingen-E auto rifle as my primary because of it's recoil and fire rate, I can assure you it is easily the best primary weapon I have for crucible only. I obviously don't use this weapon on story missions and strikes as this is too low. - Adjust your look sensitivity. I currently use a sensitivity of 4 because I cant deal with the high sensitivity on Destiny for some reason, but on COD Ghosts I use an extremely high sensitivity, every game is different. You need to find that sweet spot you are most comfortable in. - Use every weapon in your arsenal available to you to the best of your ability. You see an enemy taking a control point and have a nade? Throw the nade first before engaging the enemy, you might land a lucky kill or at the very least bring his shield down thus increasing your chances of killing him or her. Enemy shield down and out of bullets in your clip? Run and melee the bastard! - Timing is everything sometimes, you might NOT have this down at the moment, but understanding that and knowing to work on it will only improve your game. - Yes you will run into people that will piss you off and make you scream, "How the hell did he not die and of course I'm the one that died! WTF?!?!?!" Every player has these moments. Just remember it just makes it that much more satisfying when you get your revenge. - Practice makes perfect, or in this case will def make you better. You can't expect to be better than anyone at crucible if you haven't played, especially since these players have been polishing their skills as well. The sooner you join the fray, the sooner you can start getting better. IDK hope this helps, I know you want nothing to do with crucible and I'm not trying to convince you to do it, just giving you some tips to help you complete your bounty, and any bounties you might receive in the future. I got my ass handed to me in PVP but now I can hold my own, it just took a little practice.

I have not tried the pvp exotic bounty yet, but from what I understand there is a way around this without going into pvp if it is just requiring crucible rank. Just farm for basic materials (spinmetal, helium and ironrelic) then turn them in at the crucible vendors for their marks and reputation. If I am wrong and cant be done that way, then I apologize. Hopefully this helps some and let me know if I am right as I too am a pve only gamer.

[quote]I love this game and have been playing it a lot... However, I recently picked up an exotic bounty for Toland's Legacy. After researching the requirements, I found out that I have to go into the crucible. WHY? I am not a PvP player. I would prefer to stay as far away from the PvP as possible. Why are you forcing us to go into the Crucible? It is not just this exotic bounty that is requiring me to go into the curcible. If I want gear from FWC, New Monarchy or Dead Orbit - I have to. I remember there was an article where it was said Halo was PvP and you couldn't do both PvE and PvP support. Now you can, so why are you forcing us into the crucible? The crucible part of the bounty gives you +25 for a Hunter or Titan kill and +75 for warlocks - however you are docked -50 if you die. I will never be good enough to get this bounty done. Eventually I will have to abandon this bounty. (EDIT: There are reports that the "death penalty" is no longer active, so it is just a kill grind - if that is true. I will update the thread when I actually try it for myself - Thanks subaqueousReach for the research). Bungie you have a wonderful game - JUST STOP forcing folks to go into the crucible. EDIT: Why so many attacking comments, when the PvE only players want to stay in PvE. It makes no sense to me that you want us in the PvP to bring down the team with our skills. All we are asking for is more options? I just can't understand why more options is being rejected. Update: I have both the Bad Juju and Thorn bounties so I started them both in the crucible at the same time. I have played 10 games of crucible and currently have a KDR of 0.91 and I am slowly getting both of these bounties done. I can confirm that the 10000 points for the bad juju does NOT contain any death penalties. So this one is simply a grind getting kills anyway you can. The Thorn 500 points in VOID kills does have dealth penalties and my KDR is not helping me get this one done very quickly. After 10 games, I will report that I still do NOT like the PvP. I will continue to struggle through it to get these bounties done. I still wish there were options of not doing the PvP. End update.[/quote] I completely agree with you as I'm more of a PvE player and suck at PvP.

Dont want to do crucible? You just won't get that weapon. Accept it and move on- do what you want to do. Want crucible gear but don't want to play crucible to get it? That's a shame, just stick with vanguard gear then. Bungie is trying to raise replay value of the game and rewarding well-rounded players.

It's an exotic weapon they're not supposed to be easy to get

I agree with you 100%. I despise PvP, always have and always will. When they pitched this game they said you'd be able to choose how you play and wouldn't be forced to go into either PvE or PvP content if you didn't wish to. I can understand they want it to be challenging as you're trying to get an exotic weapon but they could have set a PvP option and a challenging PvE option to allow people to do one or the other to progress. Different people have different skills and different likes and dislikes. No one should be forced to play one part of the game that they don't want to in order to complete these bounties, especially when it is very simple to cater to your entire audience without causing anyone any undue distress.