Ok so I had posted a comment on how I don't agree with the first team to beat it should be the only one praised, I would like to apologize and take that back. Since this raid was not completed in an hour or 2 by hardcore no-lifers, it's actually going past 8 hours now I believe with nobody completing it? It's fair to say bungie has certainly delivered in this aspect. From what I'm reading it takes skill, gear and communication not just loads of time to beat this. And those things are worth rewarding in my opinion. So I'm looking forward to this challenge and good luck to all of you already in there!