The guy in the middle entered the game at the end of the Winter's Run strike, when the Priest was almost dead. Doesn't actually spawn in until after the Priest is dead.
Once he does spawn, seeing absolutely all the work has been done, he immediately proceeds to sit down, the mission ends, and he gets rewarded for existing.
[b]EDIT: I'm gonna put my general reply here in the OP to make it a bit more obvious[/b]
Many of you seem to be under the impression that I somehow feel robbed or blindsided by a would be ne'er-do-well, and that in my rage, have posted here as a means to publicly lambaste the person in question (kuzku). This impression is wrong. While I understand the thread title of "completely broken" is consciously negative hyperbole, it is negativity directed solely to the system at the crux of this matter (the loot system); it is in no way intended for player kuzku, who, to the best of my knowledge, in no way intended for this to happen, nor is it even meant as particular disdain for Bungie, merely the design they have established.
The second main response seems to be along the lines of "it is a random system, your time will come." While this is, one, a fundamentally illogical claim as a truly random system should have equal chance for my time to never come, it is also missing the point. I'm aware the loot system employs random number generators (RNG, as many of you have graciously pointed out is in fact a sequence of letters that marginally relates to this thread, though I struggle to imagine how you expect this to contribute in any meaningful way), loot systems are, after all, wont to do so. A "loot system" that did not employ a randomized element, is not something I would dare to call a loot system.
The point that seems to be so repeatedly missed then, is that I believe the current loot system employed is of inferior quality and design to more sophisticated loot system in similar loot-driven games a la the Diablo series and that I believe the game would be "better" (within my own subjective valuing of it) with such a system.
Finally, to those who simply dismiss the thread with talk such as "Who cares?" I will resist the temptation to turn such a non-argument back on you and instead explain that I care because I genuinely believe that a more involved, comprehensive approach to the loot in a loot-based game makes for a more enjoyable experience for the consumers (that's us). I care about that enjoyable experience for the consumers because I genuinely like this game a lot. I've been hyped for this game. I bought a PS4 for this game. I have invested time in this game, both within the game itself and on the boards here, whereas with the vast majority of games within my library, the idea of even looking at the forums is non-existent.
This is not meant to be a troll thread or a bashing thread. This is a thread meant to call attention to an area of a game that I feel could use reconfiguring to the betterment of us all. Is that so strange?
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It's not kuzkus fault he joined a late mission blame matchmaking.
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You don't always need to be rewarded you know.
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Honestly there should be some sort of variable in scoring mvp,like a greater chance in gaining better loot. I've gotten mvp countless times and I've seen players in last place scoring legendary items. I honestly don't mind but I don't really think RNG properly fits well.
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Who -blam!-in cares!!!
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Smh bungie I know I was like 28 K and 9 D KDR in the crucible guess what I got! NOTHING!!!!!
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That's so dumb
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That was brilliant, especially the segment pertaining to events of the random guaranteeing 'no success' just as they do 'success.' Most people don't seem to grasp that, so much so that whenever you make mention of a better loot system they refer to you as "entitled," which seems to be the favorite term of the kiddies at this juncture.
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Sigh, feels like I should just start sandbagging in multiplayer to get stuff.
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In a performance based reward type society I'm surprised that more people do not cringe at the though of an RNG loot based system. It's stupid. What should motivate me to even try if I just get everything handed to me? (That last part is mainly for pvp) look at ffxiv with Atma grinding with RNG everyone agrees it's terrible.
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Panda
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Edited by heisenburg6969: 9/16/2014 3:40:44 AMHe got lucky that all there is too it. Its all luck say it with me luuuuuuuck
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Edited by Omen47: 9/16/2014 3:41:59 AMI'm just going to post a reply here instead of making an individual one for each person... Many of you seem to be under the impression that I somehow feel robbed or blindsided by a would be ne'er-do-well, and that in my rage, have posted here as a means to publicly lambaste the person in question (kuzku). This impression is wrong. While I understand the thread title of "completely broken" is consciously negative hyperbole, it is negativity directed solely to the system at the crux of this matter (the loot system); it is in no way intended for player kuzku, who, to the best of my knowledge, in no way intended for this to happen, nor is it even meant as particular disdain for Bungie, merely the design they have established. The second main response seems to be along the lines of "it is a random system, your time will come." While this is, one, a fundamentally illogical claim as a truly random system should have equal chance for my time to never come, it is also missing the point. I'm aware the loot system employs random number generators (RNG, as many of you have graciously pointed out is in fact a sequence of letters that marginally relates to this thread, though I struggle to imagine how you expect this to contribute in any meaningful way), loot systems are, after all, wont to do so. A "loot system" that did not employ a randomized element, is not something I would dare to call a loot system. The point that seems to be so repeatedly missed then, is that I believe the current loot system employed is of inferior quality and design to more sophisticated loot system in similar loot-driven games a la the Diablo series and that I believe the game would be "better" (within my own subjective valuing of it) with such a system. Finally, to those who simply dismiss the thread with talk such as "Who cares?" I will resist the temptation to turn such a non-argument back on you and instead explain that I care because I genuinely believe that a more involved, comprehensive approach to the loot in a loot-based game makes for a more enjoyable experience for the consumers (that's us). I care about that enjoyable experience for the consumers because I genuinely like this game a lot. I've been hyped for this game. I bought a PS4 for this game. I have invested time in this game, both within the game itself and on the boards here, whereas with the vast majority of games within my library, the idea of even looking at the forums is non-existent. This is not meant to be a troll thread or a bashing thread. This is a thread meant to call attention to an area of a game that I feel could use reconfiguring to the betterment of us all. Is that so strange?
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It's a bit jacked, but right now with all the disconnects, I'm grateful for it so I don't have to lose my loot grind after 20 minutes of surviving because of a faulty server.
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Okay this is getting ridiculous
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It's working as intended, not broken. You seem salty.
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Remind me how that makes it entirely broken. It's RNG. It works exactly how its supposed to. That's like saying dice are broken because I went to dice Academy and this guy next to me with no formal dice training keeps rolling higher numbers.
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Getting 2 shitty blues isnt exactly rewarding.. lol. Its not broken, its RNG.
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I'm sure it'll happen for you too
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Lol I know how that guy feels, I didn't get rewarded nearly as well, but I spawned in pretty much as sepiks died, I did the same thing, said "wtf just happened here?" And then sat down like "well that happened."
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Or they are using logic you have not considered...think about it.
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The feels are real here, lol
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I agree, who cares? Its not like he took it from you. And maybe if you hadn't tempted karma, you might have gotten something in the near future. But now your next legendary engram is going to give you some uncommon gaultlets lmao.
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LOL that happened to me once. Who cares?
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Random
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My body hurts from laughing so hard at that second paragraph. Thank you for that, it made my night! On topic though, yeah totally agree that the RNG is shenanigans.