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8/27/2014 9:25:59 AM
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It's amusing how their biggest rule is to be accepting, and yet Christians are some of the biggest bigots and downward looking people on the planet. Don't you agree?
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The Christians who don't accept others aren't true Christians. And that's bit the majority it's just the ones you hear about because they are more obvious
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You must have encountered some hateful Christians. Sorry to hear that, but can't stay 2.6 billion people are all that way. Just like when people trash Muslims i know several good Muslim people, some are really good friends. Whatever u do or don't believe don't be a hate spreader.
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I was speaking more from looking back on history
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Edited by xI Mandalore Ix: 8/28/2014 4:34:09 PMWhat part of history? Crusades? Haha
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Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. Don't get me wrong, there are some pretty bad people out there, but they don't seem to be consistently Christian. Plus, I doubt there are very many actual Christians out there. Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than being in a garage makes you a car.
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ummm, sorry, but being baptized and going to communion [i]does[/i] make you a christian. You might not be a very true christian, but a christian nonetheless. [quote]Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than being in a garage makes you a car.[/quote] This isnt a good argument, garages arent meant for the sole purpose of storing cars, sometimes they are used for regular storage, or a practice space for bands. But churches, are pretty much entirely built for worshipping god, and if you have been baptized, have had communion, and share the same beliefs as a christian, guess what, youre a christian. No church necessary. And besides, some people identify as christian even if they havent been baptized, its a belief system, meaning if you share the same beliefs, you're a part of it. And don't tell me christianity is supposed to be accepting, the slavery and genocide in the bible say otherwise. And, those little crusades people always forget about.
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Just because something as talked about in a piece of writing doesn't make it a demand or call. The definition of Christian is to pursue Christ-likeness. There are four books in the Bible that follow Christ's life on Earth, and He never demanded slavery or genocide. He in fact, hung out with people who were considered scum of Jewish society and showed them love. The Crusades were led and acted out by people whom knew nothing about what Christianity really looks like, and what it means to live as a Christian. And thus, the Crusades aren't a sensitive topic to real Christians because they weren't Christians - though a significant role in Church history. But the crusades are nothing a topic like the racism in Mormonism. Now that's something best not brought up amongst LDS baha...
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Uh-huh, so since your only goal is to pursue Christ likeness, does that mean you get to ignore the rest of the bible? Because the bible [i]does[/i] condone slavery, genocide, and mass murder. Christ was great and all, but his dad isn't. Remember that whole "put lambs blood on your door thing"? Yeah, that was to keep your first born son from dying. Christianity is based on the bible, and the bible is pretty messed up. And by the way, if people kill in the name of god, it doesn't matter if you think they arent "true Christians" because true Christians dont mix fabrics, or eat lobster. STOP CHERRY PICKING
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Edited by xI Mandalore Ix: 8/29/2014 3:02:19 AMTo jdub So I'm cherry picking and not a true Christian? I've written one post and you're already making grand some grand assumptions. My post was a response in order to bring you some more clarity and understanding in an area I have studied very much. Were you expecting me to write and explain every major issue people have with Christianity? Atheism? World beliefs in general? By your standards, you're cherry picking only controversial subjects and putting them into your own verbiage so as to delude context. So...we're both cherry pickers...heh [But wait...I brought up the Crusades. You didn't.. That's not exactly choosing only the unicorns and rainbows from church history. You haven't been so bold as to do the same.] Clearly you are not interested in an intellectual conversation and gaining any amount understanding from a position different than your own. Especially since your choice "question" from the Old Testament was one used by the great atheistic evangelists - Richard Dawkins, and Christopher Hitchens. Not exactly original. If you are interested in people who will blindly argue with you in endless circles as you look up more Hitchens quotes, join this cute little website called facebook. You seem to be riding quite the high-horse. And it's dripping with McCarthyism.
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Edited by jules: 8/29/2014 3:17:51 AM[quote]So I'm cherry picking and not a true Christian?[/quote] Umm, as far as cherry picking, yes. But not a true christian, I have no way of knowing. And besides, it doesn't matter what your view of a christian is, it matters whether or not you follow the bible. And, if we're acting from example here, then the crusades weren't that bad, at least they didn't kill [i]everyone[/i]. And, yes, I guess I am cherry picking, but only to counter you. Side note: You brought up the crusades? Really? Look at my original comment, and maybe do a bit of fact checking. Now, how would this question being original lessen its impact? If originality was what made good arguments, then no wonder Christians never win any! Just because something is old, doesn't mean it is any less powerful. The question "do you have proof?" is old, it is over used, yet, it is still a great question. But, I think you make a "grand assumption" in assuming I have never had the perspective of a christian. I was raised christian. I understand their point of view, I just think its ridiculous. And I am indeed looking for a legitimate conversation, but the facts are, a [b]true[/b] christian follows the bible, now don't get me wrong, I think that is a terrible idea, but don't say that genocide and discrimination eject you from Christianity. You have to remember, that it is religion that tells people they are broken. It is religion that tells people that if they are gay, they burn for eternity. It is religion, that fuels wars, genocide, murder, all in the name of (insert sky lord here). And please dont come back with "but Stalin was an atheist!" I see that too much, atheism doesn't have a book, that tells about all the times our ultimate ruler, leveled cities, and murdered children. Atheism is simply the lack of a belief in god, it in no way effects your morality, or ability to have compassion. Atheism does not teach people things, it just tells then that a few things are incorrect, science does the rest.
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Gosh darn it. I typed up a lovely and long reply, and then I hit -you guessed it- cancel. So I'll keep this short. Communion and baptism are denominational issues that many Christians don't agree on. My point was that going to church does not make you a Christian because you are in a hallowed building. If you went to church to worship God, odds are you're a Christian. But some people just go to say they went, or under the assumption that going to church is what saves you in the long run (insert salvation stuff here). At the same time though, the bible also gives a few guidelines about being Christian, and I'll avoid a verse duel for the sake of keeping this a quality conversation. It indicates, though, that a Christian (a real one) will be easily identified through his works. So if you think you are a Christian, and then party all weekend, odds are you're wrong. So my criticism was directed to not those who do believe in (long churchy talk goes here), but rather those who think that their "going to church" and being a good person makes them a Christian/saves them. Yes, they are good things to do. But they are things you do because you're a Christian; you're not a Christian just because you do these things. Catch my drift?
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Ahh, I know what you mean. But I think a better analogy would be, going to church doesn't make you a christian like moving around in water doesn't mean you're swimming.
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That was not nearly as short as I thought it was. Whoops.
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True enough, and also, I like your argument[quote] being in a garage doesn't make you a car[/quote]
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Edited by Huntavex: 8/28/2014 3:14:07 AMI wouldn't say all of them. However one time a korean lady tried giving my dad a pamphlet about how if you don't believe in jesus you go to hell, he declined it and said no thank and she said and I quote "U ARE THE DEVIL!!!"
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That's unbelievably hilarious. I almost want to meet this woman
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Let's not forget the other faiths that look at us as heathens, Christians are defiantly not the only judgmental faith...just saying.
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I thought Jehovah witnesses were.
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Them too, but they are Christians as well, at the roots of their beliefs.
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I've studied world religions for quite some time. J.W.'s are not in any way an autonomous Christian group, a denomination, or even close to Christian other than using similar characters (Jesus Christ) and verbiage, in the attempt to trick people and bring them into their sect.
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Don't know if I'm just misunderstanding, or is just the wording you used, but you make them sound like a cult lol
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Good observation, I was being intentional. That's because how they are lead and fed doctrine is much closer to being a cult and or pyramid scheme than being a religious people group. I am so very sad for their core population.
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For the most part, as long as it didn't happen at an early age, religious and cult indoctrination can be negated by a clever mind. I don't pay much mind to the zealots.
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True, however they are still human beings whose quality of life can be improved significantly. But I will just end it there for the sake of potentially regressing towards the starving kids in Africa route. You seem like an intellectual. You on PS4 by chance? Not that there is too much a correlation between PS4 users and intellectuals :} . . .but still a possibility.
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Edited by A Wa1nut259: 8/28/2014 5:37:06 PMI like to consider myself as such but unfortunately for the potential of an extended friendship, no I'm on xbox.
