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originally posted in: This girl claimed feminism today
Edited by Seven: 8/27/2014 7:10:25 PM
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What you just said is besides the point, the idea that [i]you[/i] feel you, along with everyone would not blam someone due to dress. Is entirely disconnected from the sentiment that many people (including women) believe that do in face point towards sexual assault as a consequence of "slutty dress." Main idea of why I disagree [spoiler]The idea here is [b]not[/b] hypocrisy, there is not an action in the world tied to the way you act or look that trumps your wants and needs behind your concept of free will. That applies to sexual assault of verbal abuse. Have you been cat called? I have walked with my girlfriend and been "congratulated" for being with "a slew of derogatory and disgusting phrases directed towards my girlfriend." My girlfriend is vocal as hell and she yelled back that they were degenerate losers. My point if view on catcalling was that it should be ignored, after this incident however, I was ready to chase down the car, meet them at the next traffic light and beat the living shit out if the degenerate loser who just tried to make my significant other feel like an object. There is a slew of standard practice occurrences that men and women pass off until they are subjected to an instance where they finally realize how wrong they were. Feminism exists in order to try and push that mentality into the light, educate individuals tat there is a toxic culture that is brushed off asan exaggerated non-issue. The hypocrisy comes from point if views making judgements on others experiences, deeming them overreactions as they personally couldn't imagine perpetrating an occurrence. The issue here is that it happens [b]ever[/b].[/spoiler] Why I think what I have to say is worth reading: About a month after this incident walking with my girlfriend, I was sitting alone on set of stairs by a crosswalk. [b]I[/b] am a 6' tall male and I'm healthy so I like to wear tank tops in the summer. A jeep filled with 4 women stopped at the crosswalk; one said "hey" to me, so I smiled and waved and looked back down at my phone, I was waiting for an uber to pick me up, thinking nothing if it. What I wasn't expecting, was the women to cheer and continue talking, I was told to hop In their car, throw them my tank etc. Along with being told what "we could all do to you." This time around I wasn't the same kind of, I want to rip out your stupid degenerate voice box angry. I was a sick kind if angry, that someone, after I smiled and waved the same way I would when I greet my neighbor walking her dog, people thought it was okay to say these things to me. After they drove off, I literally had no idea what I was supposed to do or how to even respond, at that point I was wondering how my S/O had managed to yell back at her cat callers because after an experience directed at me I felt like I just wanted to go inside and die a little bit. She knew how to respond because she's [i]used[/i] to it. How dare someone get used to that occurrence. [b]It's gross that you think received less points than you deserved and laughed at a girl trying to justify that the way she dressed should not be connected to the way she should expect to be treated[/b]
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    Im not saying a women should be sexually assaulted do to what she's wearing... All I literally said was she can't be offended by someone saying she is dressed like a slut when she dresses inapporopriately. I have a high respect for women as a whole, but shit like this is laughable

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  • That is literally in the same vain or thinking, the way someone dresses should not be connected to the way you think they are going to behave. Do you tell guys they dress like sluts when they wear tank tops and shorts? Why?

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    I'll call him a tool, what are you getting at? People are going to judge you no matter what you wear. It's not something you can argue about. It's actually easily one of the most pointless arguments ever. If I deem what I a girl is wearing as inapporopriate and slutty, I'm entitled to what I believe I see

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  • Yes you certainly are entitled to that. But that decision does make you judgmental and assumes you are in a position where you are better than another to make that call.

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    No, it means I'm playing a fair game. If I judge someone I expect you to judge me back. Difference is, I could careless if someone came up to me and said that, which has never happened since I always dress correctly. I'm not better then anyone, but judging someone doesn't mean I think I am, I'm just expressing an opinion

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  • That's an outlook you hold, not everyone feels the and way or judges in the same way, most people don't in fact. To think such a thing is delusional. We live in a culture that is more critical of the actions and struggles of women. The main ideal is that you are jumping to a judgement that is entirely superficial. The way someone dresses, their tattoos, their skin color are not generally notations of classifications, what exactly makes you dress "normally" because you do it? That's close minded as hell.

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    I'm going to end this very quickly You own a compmay and your at a board meeting. A member of your staff comes in dressed inappropriately and in unprofessional attire. Such as shorts and a tank top for a guy, or very mini skirt and exposing shirt. You, sure as hell, are going to flip shit. But your trying to tell me you'd see no problem with it. If you have a daughter that dresses like that, you'd be pissed to. Social justice lies in the eyes if the beholder and it's an opinion that can't be changed. I'm going to judge you by how you look, but it doesn't make you any less of a human being or any less approachable. Everyone judges, don't give me that bs.

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  • .....okay I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you. You "ending it" was giving me a situation that you contrived that fits a certain situation. It is not a good situation to use to prove a point. It's like saying; I can prove to you that skinny people love mcdonalds, if you were starved for three months you'd obviously like mcdonalds, see point proven.

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