As a dad and gaming enthusiast i totally understand where there coming from different types of ppl have different expectations of players I would of applied myself except I'm bringing my long standing cod clan over to destiny (formerly rot in pieces) now the desolate loved the alpha loved the beta even more can not wait to get back to the tower so if your looking for a clan or just want to check out our past exploits go on YouTube search rot in pieces clan or shadylurker83 or look for the desolate or shadylurker83 in groups be brave guardians ....