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It's "finish the fight", referring to the specific war currently going on with the Covenant and the specific Flood that broke loose on Delta Halo under the leadership of the Gravemind......the phrase is not "finish all possible fights ever and never have any conflict again". Just because "finish the fight" is the specific tagline used as the catchy marketing slogan and to grab attention does not mean that the whole entire series is considered over. Honestly, you're just being an idiot, not to mention over-thinking this. And all of your little points you raised. 1. You mean the huge empire that is at war with and focused on fighting itself? And which the more powerful side of is fully allied with the UNSC? In terms of Loyalist power structure, Truth was pretty much it. Tartarus was killed by the Arbiter at Delta Halo leaving the Brutes with no any overarching hierarchy for their own race except for on the individual clan level. Truth was the only one with any power to directly pose a threat to the UNSC, the majority of the Brutes who had fleets or even ships were part of Truth's battle group and forces. Any threat posed by the Covenant Loyalists is about as minimal as you can get. All their efforts were focused on fighting the Separatists or fighting amongst each other for whatever scraps or vestiges of power there were or they could get their hands on. Humans and the UNSC would be the least of their worries when they'd have to struggle for their own survival against the Separatists. The situation is really not at all comparable to the Galactic Empire in Star Wars. The Galactic Empire was far more unified amongst the many individuals than the Covenant ever was. Not to mention that the Empire didn't have most of its military, resources, infrastructure, and territory switch sides on them. Truth was the last credible threat to the UNSC and humanity, so yes, finishing him and whatever forces he had with him [i]does[/i] end the war with the Covenant and the direct threat they represent. 2. During that whole scene where the Arbiter executes Truth, Master Chief is shutting down the firing sequence. So no, the Halos are in no way ready to fire or anything of the sort. If anyone wanted to light a Halo Ring, they'd first have to find it and then get there, and then go through all of the hassle of finding the Control Room and then the Library, getting the Index and getting it back to the Control Room....only after all of that would they be able to fire any of them. Or try to get the Ark and try to fire everything from there. So no, the remaining Halos aren't on stand-by or ready to fire, or anything. 3. All pure speculation on your part which you have no real evidence or proof for. And for all you know, that's Delta Halo, which was quarantined by the Elites and blockaded so the Flood couldn't get out, as well as glassing the surface. There are no numbers or names or anything on the holograms (wherever they are >_> ...I honestly don't remember seeing any so I'm not sure what part of the game you're talking about) to indicate what Halo is what or whether we've seen them before. So for all we know it's Delta Halo after the Elites are done with it. And how would you even be able to tell if it was infested with Flood or not in the first place? O_o 4/5. Yes, there are. So what? There is nothing any of them can do, the only Flood that were a direct threat were the ones that got unleashed on Delta Halo, and all of them and the current Gravemind were completely wiped out at the Ark. Why does it matter if there are other places that [i]could[/i] (could, not [i]definitely[/i] do) contain Flood? How does the [i]possible[/i] existence of more or they [i]could[/i] make a Gravemind automatically mean the story isn't over or even [i]should[/i] be continued? There is [i]always[/i] something left over that [i]could[/i] pose another threat or cause a problem again or more to do or be done, no matter what the story is or what it's about. That is something that's never going to be fixed at all. If you're going to complain about there still being more Flood out there at the end of Halo 3 you might as well complain that there are still Orcs or other evil creatures around in Lord of the Rings after Sauron is destroyed, or that are still more Xenomorphs out there at the end of Alien.....there is always [i]something[/i], no matter what the story. 6. And how is this at all a problem? Until 343i decided to completely change the Forerunners and turn them into nothing but a bunch of selfish assholes that don't care about anyone or anything but their own power or if you follow/agree with that bullshit, then there is absolutely no problem whatsoever. Seriously, please explain (using [i][b][u]JUST[/u][/b][/i] what the fanbase knew when Halo 3 came out) how the possibility of Forerunners being still out there is at all a problem or some kind of threat. 7. And? Everything is done at that point, the specific storyline that the player has been going through up to that point is over. Why does it matter if the closing shot of the game is the wreckage of the [i]Forward Unto Dawn[/i] drifting toward a planet? It has nothing to do with "finishing the fight" because by that point everything is done, by the time the end credits roll you've "finished the fight", that whole storyline is done. The Legendary Planet is the [i]potential[/i] for a brand new story, a "new fight" as it were. It has no bearing on the rest of the events in Halo 3 and whether they are actually finished and concluded or not. And even then, it was never a guarantee that there would ever be another Halo game set after Halo 3 or that the story would continue beyond that point, it was only the [i]possibility[/i] for it to continue, which is not the same thing.
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  • Edited by BannedLemön: 7/13/2014 4:44:43 PM
    Why do you even try anymore? Everyone knows you're full of shit anyway.

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  • Edited by dimondsaddle: 7/12/2014 7:55:18 PM
    Actually, that was one forerunner who wanted power, which is understandable. By the way they dealt with humans in the original flood fight, we can tell they were never humble. 343's story was perfectly logical. It's time for humans to take over as new forerunners. [spoiler]of course I understand that you are entitled to your opinion[/spoiler]

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  • [quote]And which the more powerful side of is fully allied with the UNSC?[/quote] It's more like "The enemy of my enemy is my freind." type of deal. If there is an alliance after Halo 3 then it would be this very fragile one. It would be worse than the one with Stalin and Hitler. If it wasn't for the betrayal against the Elites then this civil war wouldn't have happened and this "alliance" wouldn't have happened. [quote] In terms of Loyalist power structure, Truth was pretty much it.[/quote] There's also fleet masters which control fleets. All it takes is a group of them to gather up what's left over and work with each other. The power they had before is not even close, but they can still be a threat if they happen to stumble on something. [quote]The Galactic Empire was far more unified amongst the many individuals than the Covenant ever was. Not to mention that the Empire didn't have most of its military, resources, infrastructure, and territory switch sides on them.[/quote] Nope. After the battle of Ender these head imperials became warlords and started attacking each other. In Dark Empire there's a civil war like war. so the Empire pretty much crumbled up after that battle. [quote] honestly don't remember seeing any so I'm not sure what part of the game you're talking about) to indicate what Halo is what or whether we've seen them before. [/quote] In that room where Truth dies there's 7 holograms of the 7 remaining Halo rings in a row. You jump through them in a certain order to get a skull. [quote]And how would you even be able to tell if it was infested with Flood or not in the first place? O_o[/quote] [url=http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080512210349/halo/images/9/9b/Surface01.jpg]There surface of it looks like what something looks like when the flood had its way with it.[/url] It could simply be a desert, but there are no bodies of water on it and compared to the other Halo's it's all desert. It could simply be a desert based Halo, but it is strange that the other Halo's are Earth like and this is the only one with the entire surface being desert looking. [quote]Why does it matter if there are other places that could (could, not definitely do) contain Flood? How does the possible existence of more or they could make a Gravemind[/quote] Because this very dangerous highly intelligent species which only goal in life is like the Borg, but worse is still out there. All it takes is a single ship with enough space to land on an infested area then get taken over and head off to some planet. If they mange to get a hold of forerunner ships than they are going to be even worse. For the Gravemind once one of them is around than the threat of the flood is even worse since he's the super computer for them. He takes a simple bomb from a B-17 and turns it into a nuke. [quote]automatically mean the story isn't over or even should be continued? [/quote] You still have this species out there can destroy life in entire galaxies. The flood isn't the main faction of the story, but this very dangerous species we fought in Halo CE which is the start of the story is still out there. The business that was started with them really isn't over with. We just simply took out 2 known locations out of the many unknown possible locations they could be thriving at. [quote]you might as well complain that there are still Orcs or other evil creatures around in Lord of the Rings after Sauron is destroyed, or that are still more Xenomorphs out there at the end of Alien.....there is always something, no matter what the story.[/quote] The difference between the flood and those species is that the flood is able to wipe out entire species and this specie that's able to build worlds only weapon to stop them is by killing all life in the galaxy. The Xeno's are very easy to deal with and if they're on a space ship you don't have to worry about them taking over it. The flood on the other hand if they're on a space ship they can take over it and land it on a planet and wipe out all living possible things. [quote]And even then, it was never a guarantee that there would ever be another Halo game set after Halo 3 or that the story would continue beyond that point, it was only the possibility for it to continue, which is not the same thing.[/quote] The ending guarantees there's going to be a trilogy or whatever after it. You have the main character of the series drifting off to some unknown planet that looks man mad. If that truly as the last Halo game for that point of the story than that would truly be one of the worst endings if not the worst ending for a series. Instead of having closer the only thing it would have done was open up a bunch of questions that would go unanswered.

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  • [quote]It's more like "The enemy of my enemy is my freind." type of deal. If there is an alliance after Halo 3 then it would be this very fragile one. It would be worse than the one with Stalin and Hitler. If it wasn't for the betrayal against the Elites then this civil war wouldn't have happened and this "alliance" wouldn't have happened.[/quote] Eh, not really, humanity has absolutely nothing to offer the Elites at that point. Other than [i]wanting[/i] to on the Sangheili's part, they have absolutely no reason to ally with the UNSC or any of humanity. After the initial fighting of the schism wore off and the Loyalists no longer had any surprise factor or chance of using it again, they're no longer a real danger to the Separatists. They wouldn't be a push-over, but they had absolutely no chance of winning once the Elites and the other Separatists had the chance to fight back. The Separatists had absolutely no reason to ally with humanity as the UNSC had nothing at all to offer them in terms of support or help against the Loyalists, a threat that the Separatists could and would handle easily on their own, by Halo 2/3 humanity and the UNSC was pretty down to [i]just[/i] Earth and the Sol System in terms of major infrastructure or the chance to put up a fight. And then during Halo 3, pretty much all Lord Hood has left to throw at the Forerunner Dreadnought is a handful of Longswords and three frigates. The Great Schism in the Covenant was an inevitability and was going to happen [i]sooner[/i] rather than later. The Elites were regularly starting to question the Propehts, and especially the Hierarchs, behind closed doors and amongst themselves, [i]particularly[/i] where humanity was concerned. By the time that Halo 2 had rolled around the majority of the Elites were either human sympathizers and [i]liked[/i] them from what they were able to gather fighting them for so long, or at the very least respected them. Either way, by that point, the majority were just about ready to declare they'd had enough of the war. Which is the whole entire reason why an [i]Arbiter[/i] was created to deal with a small, isolated group of "Heretics" and why Truth majorly jumped the gun in his whole plan for supplanting and wiping out the Elites and why it was so rushed. Because it was only a small matter of time before the Elites declared they had had enough and either forced the war to stop or just outright left the Covenant. Any alliances with humanity would not be tense or falling through from the Elites' end. [quote]There's also fleet masters which control fleets. All it takes is a group of them to gather up what's left over and work with each other. The power they had before is not even close, but they can still be a threat if they happen to stumble on something.[/quote] The Brutes, you know, the driving command force of the Loyalists, had next to no fleets, and what they did have was clustered around High Charity. And even if there were enough fleets that the Loyalists possessed to pose a significant threat to either humanity or the galaxy, those would be the [i]first[/i] targets of the Elites and the Separatists, as well as other Brutes. Due to their very nature the Brutes aren't a true threat to the galaxy or anyone else. Without anyone to keep them in line they collapse into chaos and fight each other for control. And as I already pointed out, the majority of the Elites either want to leave humans alone or work together with them. The Elites aren't a threat and are really the only ones who are in any position to keep everyone else in check or stand up to any threats that are left over or rise up to present themselves. [quote]Nope. After the battle of Ender these head imperials became warlords and started attacking each other. In Dark Empire there's a civil war like war. so the Empire pretty much crumbled up after that battle.[/quote] I think maybe I wasn't clear enough in what I was saying or perhaps you misunderstood. I wasn't saying that the whole entire Empire would remain unified and stick together without the Emperor, what I was saying is that there's [i]already[/i] a firmly established order within all of the little fragments of the Empire that the Grand Moffs and other higher ranks created for themselves. As an army everything is more ordered and structured than it ever was in the Covenant. You don't have the random nobody ship commanders or captains splitting off trying to carve out their little kingdom or jump to the top of the totem pole, you have them in the service of the highest ranks and sticking with whatever superiors they already had or jumping to one of the other Grand Moffs and so on because there's already a firmly established command structure and unit cohesion amongst the different groups. Which is not at all the case with the Covenant or the Brutes. [quote]In that room where Truth dies there's 7 holograms of the 7 remaining Halo rings in a row. You jump through them in a certain order to get a skull.[/quote] I realized that is what you were referring to after you linked the picture. I never really stopped to take the time to study or look at them so I never noticed any holograms or anything depicting the different surfaces. To me it looks more like what we can see of Venus with a highly obstructive cloud cover and all that than anything else >_> And even then, like I said before, there's nothing to say that it's not Delta Halo we're seeing there after everything the Elites have done to quarantine it and deal with the Flood outbreak. Even if glassing isn't powerful enough to hit every single surface on the planet or ring, enough places getting hit will destroy the whole entire eco-system and either burn off all of the water or burn down all of the vegetation. And with as many ships as the Covenant had guarding High Charity, there would be more than enough there to turn the whole Ring into a desert. I don't even really see how a lack of obvious water means a Flood infestation. Even if the Flood infested every single life-form on the planet, that wouldn't get rid of the bodies of water on the planet or dry up the oceans. We're just going to have agree to disagree about the Flood I'm afraid. That argument isn't going to get us anywhere because obviously neither one of us are going to change our minds on the subject. [quote]The ending guarantees there's going to be a trilogy or whatever after it. You have the main character of the series drifting off to some unknown planet that looks man mad. If that truly as the last Halo game for that point of the story than that would truly be one of the worst endings if not the worst ending for a series. Instead of having closer the only thing it would have done was open up a bunch of questions that would go unanswered.[/quote] Not it really doesn't. A sequel hook never promises you [i]anything[/i], only leaves open possibilities, they're never any kind of surefire guarantee for you. That is your opinion that it would have been a terrible ending, obviously plenty of people don't agree with you, myself included. All of the loose ends to the story were tied up, there were no real questions left to answer, the story was over and there was closure for all of the major plot threads. I'm sure everyone would have [i]liked[/i] for the story to continue past and beyond Halo 3, but the majority would have been completely satisfied if there was never another game continuing things onwards from the end of Halo 3.

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    can you hurry up on that part 2 you promised me so i can rebuke this pile of sh1t for the 800th time and have you ignore it again?

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