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3/22/2014 3:35:04 AM
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Chief's objectively stronger, faster, and better equipped than Cap. He's subjectively better trained. Cortana makes his reflexes and perception unparalleled, but even without her they're enhanced beyond Cap's peak human ability. Chief in his armor weighs more than Cap can bench press.
Like every Chief vs. Comic book hero thread, it comes down to subjective stuff. There's always going to be a die-hard Marvel fan that'll just say "Cap would find a way" or something like that. I'm gonna have to go with Chief on this one though.
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Chief is objectively stronger and better equipped. Speed, reflexes, and skill are entirely in Cap's court. John, in his armor, weights half a ton. Cap can press 1,200 pounds. He could lift John if, for whatever bizarre reason, he had to.
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[quote]Speed, reflexes, and skill are entirely in Cap's court.[/quote] Cap's at peak human ability. Chief is at roughly three times that, and he has Cortana. Even without the armor, Chief is much faster. [quote]John, in his armor, weights half a ton. Cap can press 1,200 pounds. He could lift John if, for whatever bizarre reason, he had to.[/quote] The armor weighs half a ton, and MC weighs well over 200 lbs.
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[quote]Cap's at peak human ability. Chief is at roughly three times that, and he has Cortana. Even without the armor, Chief is much faster.[/quote] Cap has dodged bullets and lasers. He is faster than John. [quote]The armor weighs half a ton, and MC weighs well over 200 lbs.[/quote] Halopedia says he weighs 995 lbs. in his armor...which means Cap can lift him.
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[quote]Halopedia says he weighs 995 lbs. in his armor...which means Cap can lift him.[/quote] Now, think about this, cap can do this when he's on his back, using all of his strength in his upper body. Do you really think in a combat situation he could lift him. Sure if the MC offer "Hey Cap, lift me" And Cap is all like "Hold my beer" then sure, but if they were fighting, it's unrealistic in a sense.
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[quote]Cap has dodged bullets and lasers. He is faster than John.[/quote] Another instance of comics breaking established canon. You can't dodge a laser unless you can move faster than the speed of light, nor can a non-superhuman reach a speed faster than a bullet.
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It was more aim-dodging. And no, they didn't 'break canon', and I'm really getting sick of hearing that shit. Cap dodging lasers [i]is[/i] canon, like it or not.
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Edited by HurtfulTurkey: 3/22/2014 5:32:44 AMOkay, so then it's a matter of reflexes, not speed. He didn't dodge the bullet or laser, he stayed ahead of the person aiming. Chief does this too, and Cortana amplifies it. There's no doubt that Chief has faster reflexes with or without Cortana. [quote]And no, they didn't 'break canon', and I'm really getting sick of hearing that shit. Cap dodging lasers is canon, like it or not.[/quote] If you establish that Cap is at peak human ability, and then later say he can move faster than a bullet or laser, which is impossible for a human at peak ability, that is breaking canon.
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[quote]There's no doubt that Chief has faster reflexes with or without Cortana.[/quote] Except Cap has stated he can see bullets mid-flight, and he reacts to them mid-flight. John cannot. Cap has faster reflexes. End of. [quote]If you establish that Cap is at peak human ability, and then later say he can move faster than a bullet or laser, which is impossible for a human at peak ability, that is breaking canon.[/quote] 'Peak human' in comics means they're basically human, but superhuman when the writers say they are.
