[url=http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/KingAvengerMarvel/news/?a=48191]because the point of comparison here is just... another level entirely.[/url]

Not really. He can lift a tree. Chief can flip a truck. He can I jump several meters straight up. So can chief. He can forcibly close a bulkhead door. Chief can dig his pinky finger through one. You can forcibly open a bulkhead door. Chief does too. Punch somebody in their pressure points Chief can too Sees and processes visual stimuli at superhuman speed Chief does too. Cap can Catch a torpedo (significantly slower than a missile) Chief Can slap a missile out of the air Cap: Small shield can protect him from any Blow Chief: Full shields that can protect from the direct grenade and armor That just deflects small arms fire Cortana

[quote]Punch somebody in their pressure points Chief can too He can forcibly close a bulkhead door. Chief can dig his pinky finger through one. You can forcibly open a bulkhead door. Chief does too.[/quote] well yeah, these are strength feats. we've established that chief is stronger than cap. [quote]Punch somebody in their pressure points Chief can too[/quote] not with cap-style efficiency. spartans are really really good cqc-ers, but when someone knows and remembers every single human fighting style and remembers every single time he employed them, there's a clear skill gap. [quote]Sees and processes visual stimuli at superhuman speed Chief does too.[/quote] [url=http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=21579]not to the same level as cap.[/url] [quote]Cap can Catch a torpedo (significantly slower than a missile) Chief Can slap a missile out of the air[/quote] [url=http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb410/raykongs/CapcarriesWolverineampDanverstosafety2_zpsa6da63af.jpg]irrelevant, as cap can dodge point blank gunfire even with external stress.[/url] [quote]Cap: Small shield can protect him from any Blow Chief: Full shields that can protect from the direct grenade and armor That just deflects small arms fire[/quote] well, yeah. that's a clear disadvantage. the only thing chief has is a strength advantage. cap still has the reaction time and skill feats in the bag. [url=http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101999/3031677-captainamerica%28v3%29%2327p09.jpg]and at these speeds, i really don't think that chief's shields are going to protect against [i]cap's[/i] shield.[/url] [quote]Cortana[/quote] i really don't know if it's fair to include cortana as that's sort of an outside advantage in a vs. debate. the video included her, but i'm willing to bet it's just as an introduction considering she played no part in the fight after that. otherwise we could technically have ms. romanov guiding cap too.

[quote][quote]Punch somebody in their pressure points Chief can too He can forcibly close a bulkhead door. Chief can dig his pinky finger through one. You can forcibly open a bulkhead door. Chief does too.[/quote] well yeah, these are strength feats. we've established that chief is stronger than cap. [quote]Punch somebody in their pressure points Chief can too[/quote] not with cap-style efficiency. spartans are really really good cqc-ers, but when someone knows and remembers every single human fighting style and remembers every single time he employed them, there's a clear skill gap. [quote]Sees and processes visual stimuli at superhuman speed Chief does too.[/quote] [url=http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=21579]not to the same level as cap.[/url] [quote]Cap can Catch a torpedo (significantly slower than a missile) Chief Can slap a missile out of the air[/quote] [url=http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb410/raykongs/CapcarriesWolverineampDanverstosafety2_zpsa6da63af.jpg]irrelevant, as cap can dodge point blank gunfire even with external stress.[/url] [quote]Cap: Small shield can protect him from any Blow Chief: Full shields that can protect from the direct grenade and armor That just deflects small arms fire[/quote] well, yeah. that's a clear disadvantage. the only thing chief has is a strength advantage. cap still has the reaction time and skill feats in the bag. [url=http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101999/3031677-captainamerica%28v3%29%2327p09.jpg]and at these speeds, i really don't think that chief's shields are going to protect against [i]cap's[/i] shield.[/url] [quote]Cortana[/quote] i really don't know if it's fair to include cortana as that's sort of an outside advantage in a vs. debate. the video included her, but i'm willing to bet it's just as an introduction considering she played no part in the fight after that. otherwise we could technically have ms. romanov guiding cap too.[/quote] My mobile and don't want to spend my time trying to fix my "boxes. So I'll just do this. pressure points won't matter with the armor Seeing things much faster than chief does doesn't do him any good if he doesn't move much faster than chief does, or can't move himself much faster than chief sees. That said, chief Macy slower but Capt. America doesn't move fast enough for to make a difference against the chief. The chief May see slower than Capt. America but he can't move fast enough to make a difference against the captain. So basically it doesn't matter if you can see if the speed of light, you still can't move your limbs fast enough to matter. That goes for both. And Cortana is fair because Cortona is lore. Capt. can have whatever the hell you mentioned, I don't care. Cortana also increases chiefs reaction time to near nothing. Dcapt. America's ability to Dodge gunfire is a derivative of reaction time and speed of movement. Both of which chief also has. objectively, chief also has intelligence. I don't doubt Capt. America does too, but regardless of captains fighting style and how much he changes things up, if he makes a movement or a swing and the chief can see it and counter it, which he can because he has the reaction time and speed, then it doesn't matter how much he switches it up. Here's the kicker: the chief can't hit the captain either. Because the captain has reaction time and speed. So in my mind they are equal. And my fanboyism smashes captain America to smithereens. I'm sorry but I will sacrifice my firstborn son.

[quote]you still can't move your limbs fast enough to matter. That goes for both.[/quote] that's the thing... cap actually [i]does[/i] dodge bullets moving that fast and even lasers iirc. meaning he actually [i]can[/i] move that fast. [quote]And Cortana is fair because Cortona is lore. Capt. can have whatever the hell you mentioned, I don't care.[/quote] well if black widow's overseeing things then she can relay information to cap as well. ultimately cap's already ridiculous tactical advantage heightens to beyond ridiculous levels. [quote]Cortana also increases chiefs reaction time to near nothing.[/quote] which is still not "bullet/laser dodging nothing" but instead an approximation. cap's reaction time [i]is[/i] bullet/laser dodging. [quote]if he makes a movement or a swing and the chief can see it and counter it, which he can because he has the reaction time and speed, then it doesn't matter how much he switches it up.[/quote] sure it does? if cap outsmarts chief in his regular fashion [he's pulled off some [i]crazy[/i] tactical feats before, perhaps even on the level of prep-time batman] he's going to win. in the end chief and cap wouldn't be able to hit each other in an ideal scenario where both are throwing punches. strength, chief's biggest upside, isn't relevant here. tactility most definitely is and cap outclasses chief there. [quote]And my fanboyism smashes captain America to smithereens. I'm sorry but I will sacrifice my firstborn son.[/quote] XD