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Edited by KilljoyDetective: 11/26/2013 8:25:25 PM
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The truth about what pertains to the Report options.

I'm sure this topic has been done dozens of times before and people have whined about it more than enough, but it seems that I think making some slight edits to this and bumping it would be a good opportunity for something to be said after all the Global Muting nonsense. [u]Offensive Content[/u]: Explicit sexual content, extreme hate speech against a Nation, individual, or so on, and only the most hardcore cases of inappropriate language will get you banned, along with other graphic and violent material such as gore. Beyond those few cases, no one should ever get banned for something unless it fits into one of those categories, you could make walls upon walls insulting or calling someone out with myriads of language, but so long as you don't encroach upon those territories, you won't get banned. Straight from the fingers of True Underdog: [quote]You need to adjust what you think is "offensive content" - [b]that was stupid and annoying[/b] but not terribly graphic.[/quote] That is in reply to one user copying and pasting the same derogatory statement about one person to someone else over several times throughout one thread. It doesn't constitute as Spam either which still puzzles me. [u]Spoilers[/u]: Nothing much to say for these besides the fact that it's only there for people that might leak Destiny info. Doesn't matter if someone just spoiled a recent movie or game for you, likely case is nothing will be done about it anymore. The option is only there for Destiny related stuff. True Underdog: [quote]In the future, I likely won't ban for non-Destiny spoilers.[/quote] He proceeded to chat with his fellow Ninjas about it, but I still find it stupid that if someone directly spoils without regret a recent Game or Movie, that they will not receive any punishment for it. We have Spoilers? Why can we not say that if something is done in a few months time-frame, that if something is spoiled not long after it came out, that that person can't be banned for a few days or something? It doesn't have to be a harsh 1-month or anything, but is a few days for someone ruining someone else's experience too much to ask? I thought we were against that? [quote]People could violate their NDAs and post Destiny stuff a year in advance. I'm pretty sure Bungie's been working on Destiny for awhile. That's when we would nab someone for spoilers.[/quote] [u]Threats[/u]: Self-explanatory, you threaten someone with very explicit and intended violence, and you might get banned for it. But to be honest, I've seen dozens of things like that typed out since the update, and those posts always remained there for long times before someone even hid those comments. I have to say that I think most often, since no immediate and intended danger can be felt from words on a screen, that no one will really mind it unless they take explicit offense to it. I've seen someone threaten someone else to kill themselves, and that person didn't get scolded or banned for it, so why does this exist if it doesn't get fulfilled when an opportunity strikes? [u]Exposing Personal Information[/u]: Also self-elaborating, you post someone's address or private information, and you probably will get banned for it. Only if i gets reported and immediately shown to a Moderator though, if it happened more than a week ago and nothing has transpired of it, they will ignore the complaints most likely since nothing became of it. [u]Stolen Content[/u]: Duh, not much needs to be said about this and I'd like to try and keep this a little on the short side, I can give more detail about it if someone asks though. [u]Hacking[/u]: Same as stolen content description. [u]Impersonating[/u]: Now we're at the two fun ones, Impersonation and Spam. Impersonation will only be met with a ban if the person has mimicked your Avatar, Name, and a similarity of your Unique ID. If they've just copied your Avatar and Name though, ehh, they won't do anything. True Underdog has certainly told me this himself at one point, but those messages are a least a month or so back and my PMs and the system don't go back far enough to have them be quoted, here's a juicy one though: [quote]The reason I don't care is because the way we moderate is directly influenced by the way that the webteam asks us to moderate.[/quote] That is in reference to the practices of another site's moderation, and how despite their guidelines are more concise than Bungie.nets CoC in a few ways, in that flaming and trolling are reportable offenses, they will not do anything that the webteam doesn't tell them to do. Which reeks of some issues that need to be solved. It's not as if the Web Team is really on this site as much as anyone else is, when will they ever see half of the stuff that others see? Nothing more needs to be said that if the webteam doesn't find a problem with something, the Moderators won't by their declaration either, no matter how it affects the community. That's all. [u]Spam[/u]: This one's a bit on the odd side honestly. You could spam the same message, image, comment, whatever, as much as you want across the boards, and it won't count as "Spam". You know why? Because Spam is only there to account for the actions of Adbots, or other known practices like "Click here for free MS Points!". MS Points are no longer active so it's of course dead, but you get the picture. Why is rampant Spamming of the same image, content, post, or anything really, not cause for a ban of a few days or so? Is it because the Reports just won't make it in in time to matter at all? Or is that option just a pointless placeholder for something that legitimately never seems to happen. Underdog: [quote]Spam is reserved for those stupid adbots. It wasn't a little of both really, it was a whole lot of neither, ha.[/quote] That's it for the updated and edited version of this, I rectified some of the things that could be construed the wrong way, and fixed areas that I believe rambled or did not get my point off well. We'll see if this, now changed a little, will get any new responses now that what's happened lately on here has happened.

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    • I missed this when you first posted this a few days ago, but I wanted to follow up on this. I am curious about your intentions here. Based on your followup responses, it looks like you're mostly irritated that the moderators don't do things the way you think they should. This is a strange opinion, as you can do everything they can. If you think something is (for example) offensive content, why do you care what a moderator thinks? You report it is as offensive content, it is hidden, problem solved. Sure, the moderators may or may get involved later on if more people share your view, but that's not really important. Your view is moderated by you. Why does it matter if the moderators have a different threshold for "felonies" as you call them?

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      • Bump.

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      • Edited by Prototape: 11/6/2013 8:24:04 AM
        We were told to report something and list a reason as to why we were muting or reporting said user. That's their classification system, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't place a reason that you feel is necessary. If I find something offensive, I'll label it as such whether or not it falls into line with the moderation team's views. It doesn't matter to me in the long-run, because I can no longer see that user's posts should I choose to mute them. I don't find this discouraging, or encouraging. It's interesting to see what happens behind the door, but it's not going to change the way I do things. I just really don't care if a member is banned or not. Like I said, while I may have found their content offensive, other people don't think so. I still tag it as offensive in the event that the majority of the website found it as such, in which case appropriate action can take place. But in the end, it's not an issue for me if I don't see it.

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      • I've been misusing the spam option for a while now. Achronos explained that it's meant for adbots (As underdog mentioned) but I just feel SO much better when I label certain things as spam.

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        • Spamming is meant for the bots? I have always used it for people who fill like three pages of the latest thread section and for the people that posted things like chain mails.

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          • I find this offensive. [spoiler]Muted.[/spoiler] [spoiler]And with such ease, my B.net experience is now improved.[/spoiler]

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              Whilst it's kind of disappointing to see that Reporting someone pretty much does jack shit, it's also good to know not to waste time on it. Mutes it is!

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              • I'm curious, but not curious enough to read this.

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              • Bump +1 good sir

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                • [quote]Offensive Content: Explicit sexual content, extreme hate speech, and only the most hardcore cases of inappropriate language will get you banned, along with other graphic and violent material such as gore. Beyond those few cases, no one will ever get banned for something unless it fits into one of those categories, you could make walls upon walls insulting or calling someone out with myriads of language, but so long as you don't encroach upon those territories, you won't get banned. Straight from the fingers of True Underdog:[/quote] Biggest -blam!-ing lie on your thread.

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                  • This has to be one of the most unnecessary threads I've read to date.

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                    • Edited by VIC: 10/23/2013 1:01:32 AM
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                      Cool. Real reason OP posted this thread: he's pissed off at me because I won't moderate to fit his, or anyone else's code of ethics. It's been said ad nauseum but I'll say it here again and since we're posting quotes of my PMs, I'll use what I sent to the OP: [quote]You are your own moderator when it comes to your Bungie.net experience. The Forum Ninjas are only supposed to ban for the most egregious of offenses, not the ticky tack stuff that you report to me. [b]Arguing with this fact is tantamount to banlust.[/b] If you disagree with how I choose to moderate, then you are welcome to PM another moderator and see if they handle things any different. You're of course still welcome to PM things to me if you want but the final judgement is mine, not yours. [/quote] For the record, the spoilers the OP is complaining about were [i]The Last of Us[/i] spoilers. That game came out in June. [spoiler]Darth Vader is Luke's Father Snape Killed Dumbledore Bruce Willis' character was dead the whole time[/spoiler] No worries, OP. I got your back. I'll move this to #Community for you. :) Oh yeah, you left out the parts where I told you that context was everything when it came to a ban and that you wouldn't get the black and white rulings that you want because it depends on each situation. You also left out the part where I said that this was how [b][i]I[/i][/b] moderate. Guess that doesn't help paint the picture you're trying to paint. Sup.

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                      • Lol I agree with you. The mods just love and kiss bungie and think whatever they do is the right thing to do. So ye, it's like their -blam!-ing job to ban and keep the forum stable but "NOW WHITH TAH MUTE BUTTON I R BEECOME LAZY N DONT CARE WAZ U SAY LESS W0RK 4 ME!!! HAHA!!" "The mute button solves everything, it is democracy. OMG YOU AGAINST FREEDOM SPEECH OMG! It's not like you are actually suggesting a good idea!". The only mod who actually does what they are meant to do is Recon. I respect him. The mods below are -blam!-ing stupid and should be ashamed of just ignoring what OP even said. ASHAMED!

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                      • I find it hilarious how so many people thought this thread was so stupid that it was globally hidden.

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                        • It's been stated to no end that you are your own moderator on the site. While it's clear that discussion on the forum has become more liberal than in previous years, so too has your ability to affect your own experience. While the report option is still there, all you have to do to remove something you don't like from your sight is hide the post or mute the user. If enough people share the same sentiment, that user will get a global mute, and the problem is solved. I fail to see what's so hard about the concept, or why you feel the urge to belittle our [b]volunteer[/b] moderators over your opinion. You, the user, are just as capable of improving the site to your liking as the moderators, but a little bit of effort is required.

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                          • Edited by FoMan123: 10/23/2013 10:46:47 AM
                            So, by your own statements taken from the context of your OP, moderators on this site (under instruction from the Web Team) will forcibly remove content and/or users when their posts can actually be massively intrusive, harmful, or cause injury to another person, Bungie, or other entities? Leaving the community itself to either hide/ignore/mute content that doesn't necessarily cause "harm" but instead rises to the level of being "annoying" or in some other way unpleasant? And as always, individual community members, at their own discretion, may choose to participate in it if they happen to find it entertaining, interesting, useful, or fun? This sounds like an ideal system to me (or as ideal as it can be considering the other constraints in place here, such as the semi-anonymous nature of this forum). You, personally, have not only the ability to ignore other users just by not responding, but you've been given a set of tools to make doing so both easier and automatic. Forum rules that prohibited "annoying" rather than "harmful" posts and imposed bans as a penalty only ever existed in the first place because of the LACK of these tools on more arcane forum systems, including Bungie.old. There is literally no new form of online social media -- ANYWHERE -- that has risen into popularity in recent years that uses such a clubfooted and heavy-handed method of enhancing the community experience. For any remaining complaint with this system, or others like it, that complaint must be entirely rooted in literally nothing but some kind of desire to see other users silenced to the entire community just because you, personally, don't like their posts. Sorry, but that's simply not the way this forum works anymore. Or, to be quite honest, the world of the internet in general.

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                            • Edited by Progo: 10/23/2013 9:04:11 PM
                              I just read all of the drop-down comments on FoMan's comment, you are obsessed. Take a break, grow a pair, then come back and be ready to tolerate internet stupidity without whining about it. And please report this since I disagreed with you.

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                              • You'd think that this thread would be completely unnecessary if people would only mute the offender, and not succumb to peer pressure of, "If you mute them, you're a pussy".

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                              • On mobile, it's just a report button. No reasons to choose from. No comments either.

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                                • But what if I use racial slurs to express my brotherly love?

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                                  • It definitely seems like the website was geared more towards Destiny than it was towards the other forums.

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