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Edited by Snake Plissken: 5/3/2013 9:22:55 PMUhh... I think it is true. Developed countries with a higher standard of living are generally secular/atheistic. Look at Scandinavia. I think 25 years is pushing it - by a long way - but there will definitely come a time when atheism surpasses religion
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Why would you be worried?
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becuz atheesm is bad
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How is it bad?
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Edited by Entraps: 5/3/2013 9:28:35 PMWrong morals
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Wait. [i]Wrong[/i] morals? What are [i]right[/i] morals then?
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Who said you need religion to have morals?
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Provide examples.
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Pro-choice, not against promiscuity, don't believe in sin, etc, etc, etc, etc.
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Not all atheists are pro-choice, pro-promiscuity, and pro-sin. Jeez.
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I've encountered maybe 1 atheist ever that was pro-life. And by pro-life, I don't mean that "personally against it but it should still be legal" crap. That's not pro-life.
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Well, yeah it is.
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Lolno it isn't.
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And how is this bad?
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Edited by Entraps: 5/3/2013 10:08:10 PMYour asking that is just more proof that atheism is bad. "Why is immorality bad"
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Answer the question. All you're doing right ow is hiding behind "it's bad because I say so". Explain to me how any of your examples (provided above or more of your own) are immoral. Go ahead, I'm all ears.
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You never explained how all three of those were immoral.
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I swear that this conversation is going the same direction as many other conversations you've had with other S7s members regarding atheism/secularism and morals. I see no reason for me to continue this.
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What do you expect me to say?
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I expected a new, better argument that hasn't been refuted multiple times already
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Morals are subjective.
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No, they aren't. Not about things with any real gravity, anyway.
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Edited by Aporia: 5/4/2013 4:33:18 AMValues are absolutely subjective. Human beings, as living, conscious, somewhat-caring "know"-ers almost always value life, self-perpetuation, children, interpersonal relationships, truth, permanency, and so on. Bias is not an inherently "evil" thing, so long as we recognize that it is bias; humanity is united primarily by our common desires. Now, *morality* isn't really subjective. Once you establish a set of values, there is a process of acting that best supports those values. The closer we get to this "absolute-good," the more moral we are in achieving that specific goal. In this way, I would say that morality is objective. This view is perhaps unintuitive and not entirely satisfying to our desires for certainty and goodness, but it is, as far as I can tell, a truth that we must either accept and adapt to or reject and be crushed by.
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[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant]But Kant[/url]